== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Docs sprint, 14 Mar at 17:00 — 19:08 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-14-17.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Ubiquity slideshow === The discussion about "Ubiquity slideshow" started at 17:00. * '''Review slides''' (17:01) * '''Review artwork''' (18:19) * ''LINK:'' http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-14-193753.php * '''Content review''' (18:50) == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * knome (321) * slickymasterWork (118) * ochosi (93) * jjfrv8 (46) * pleia2 (13) * elfy (7) * meetingology (3) * brainwash (1) * Unit193 (1) == Full Log == 17:00 #startmeeting Docs sprint 17:00 Meeting started Fri Mar 14 17:00:20 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00 17:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 17:00 #topic Ubiquity slideshow 17:00 i want to go through three steps: 17:00 oh, I thought we were already doing this :) 17:00 1) check if we have all the *slides* we want, or we want to extend 17:01 2) check if the artwork is suitable, the layouts work etc. 17:01 3) review the content on the current slides thoroughly (which we were already doing) 17:01 #subtopic Review slides 17:02 so... feedback? 17:02 do we want a slide on desktop (theme) customizing? 17:02 * ochosi pulls the last rev 17:03 I think the panel one is sufficient 17:03 customizing is too complicated for a slide 17:03 i think knome was thinking "colorizing" 17:03 which is mostly what "gtk-theme-config" does 17:03 what about highlighting the possibility to do that, and then pointing to the docs? 17:03 (despite itsname) 17:03 gtk-theme-config and the other appearance settings, yeah 17:04 18:48 knome: bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 17:04 18:48 knome: cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu 17:04 18:48 knome: ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu 17:05 ochosi, ^ 17:05 ty 17:05 * ochosi just came home, so still a bit lagging behind 17:06 right now there's some overlap between Keep track... and Make the desktop... maybe move all the menu stuff to one slide and do desktop theme on the other? 17:06 just pushed rev601 17:06 jjfrv8, sounds good to me 17:06 others agree? 17:07 (still branching...) 17:08 knome: pong 17:08 slickymasterWork, you just stepped into a sprint ;) 17:08 pleia2, what do you think? 17:09 sorry, had two juggle a few issues in between 17:09 s/two/to 17:09 I liked having them separate, they felt like different things to me 17:10 the other argument for merging is that then the "make the..." could have some cool color artwork. 17:10 and the "keep track..." could lose the biiiiig menu shot. 17:10 this menu is new this release, I like having it 17:10 though the shot is not current 17:10 maybe drop it next release, but I don't want it to be a surprise to people when they load up their desktop (still might be, but we try) 17:11 so we should take a new shot 17:11 yeah 17:12 regarding the xubuntu desktop slide (the 2nd one), don't you think it's a bit heavy 17:12 ? 17:12 so, are you still against putting the menulibre stuff there? 17:12 slickymasterWork, we could try to add more padding 17:13 couldn't some of the text be cutted? 17:13 I mean truncated 17:14 that all explanation about the top panel is in the docs anyway and IMO it seems that it's a bit too much in that slide 17:15 and doesn't actually works either informatively or aesthetically 17:16 not sure 17:16 again, what do others thing? 17:16 *think 17:18 I kind of agree with slickymasterWork but I don't think it's terrible as is 17:19 * ochosi is still branching.. 17:19 might just need some dressing up, like with bullets or something 17:20 well I wouldn't adjectivate it as terrible, but somehow it doesn't seem to fit with the other slides 17:20 * slickymasterWork is also still branching rev601 17:20 adjectivate :) 17:21 jjfrv8: bad choice of word or bad english altogether? 17:21 neither, I liked it 17:22 what's the difference between adjectivate and adjectify? 17:23 I think they're both made up words 17:23 :) 17:23 ;> 17:23 pleia2, that's not a difference, that's a similarity 17:23 pleia2: do you disapprove the wording in the wiskher slide? 17:23 pushed rev602 17:24 pull and check the desktop slide :) 17:24 or am I getting you wrong? 17:24 * slickymasterWork hasn't yet finished branching rev601 :P 17:24 * slickymasterWork is at work with a lousy bandwith 17:24 heh 17:24 same here :( 17:25 Ctrl+C and staring all over again :P 17:25 s/staring/starting 17:25 slickymasterWork: haha, same here 17:25 boo :) 17:25 you should have done this in advance... 17:25 * slickymasterWork and ochosi will have their revenge knome 17:26 while we are at it, is there any other slides that we'd like to add in addition to the customization slide? 17:27 pleia2, the same argument goes for gtk-theme-config than the menu: it's new for this cycle 17:27 yeah, but less obvious 17:27 and probably the poster child of the customizability we always tell xubuntu is full of 17:27 knome, I'm still getting 601 17:27 it would be nice to tell the users "here's a cool thing you can do after installing" 17:28 jjfrv8, finish it, updating to the latest rev shouldn't take too long from that 17:28 we'll have to draw a line somewhere 17:28 ? I pulled from scratch 17:28 I mean this cycle is full of new stuff and it can't all be ported into the slideshow 17:28 jjfrv8, 'bzr pull' gets the latest revisions, no need to branch every time 17:29 oh 17:29 slickymasterWork: I unlinked them ... 17:29 slickymasterWork, no, but i really think we *should* include the desktop looks customizability 17:29 i always thought we'd add a slide for that 17:29 agree with you on that knome 17:29 unlinked what elfy ? 17:30 so i'm not proposing to add everything that's new 17:30 just the highlights and cool things 17:31 slickymasterWork: bugs that were nothing to do with the MP 17:31 "no revisions or tags to pull" 17:31 jjfrv8, hmm.. 17:31 oops 17:31 i only committed 17:31 pushing now. 17:32 sorry 17:32 pleia2: in the beginning of the sprint you said something about the favorites. where you referring to the wisker slide? 17:32 done 17:32 oh, thanks for that elfy 17:32 slickymasterWork, just favorites vs. favourites 17:32 weee finished 17:32 oh, ok 17:32 ochosi, now pull again to get 602 17:32 should be quick 17:32 ...relatively 17:33 yup done 17:33 pulling 17:33 ok, so what were we talking about? :D 17:33 desktop slide 17:33 knome, good idea with the alignment 17:33 slickymasterWork: oh sorry, I was wondering what you were asking about, yeah what knome said :) 17:33 i also tweaked the texts a bit 17:34 so are shorter now 17:34 * slickymasterWork is now watching rev602 17:34 jjfrv8, i think you might have 601 if you have right-aligned text :) 17:34 no, it's 602. 17:34 ok, good 17:34 does it have right-aligned text? :) 17:35 no, left-aligned 17:35 ok good 17:35 the main thing is that it should have three columns 17:35 I meant how the text lined up with the parts of the panel being described 17:35 yep 17:35 we might want to change the last paragraph now 17:36 "Finally, ..." is a weird start now 17:36 i'm wondering whether the three areas should have a slight separator in between 17:36 "If you don't like this panel layout for a reason or another, ...." 17:36 but maybe it's over the top 17:36 yeah, s/Finally// 17:36 i like the panel slide generally 17:37 knome: I know you wanted to change this slide layout, but I do you really think that three different tones of blue work? 17:37 * knome shrugs 17:37 ochosi? 17:37 it might be a little over the top, as it's the most common layout ever, but the idea makes sense to me as we changed the layout 17:37 right now it would be my only objection 17:37 there will be the wallpaper in between 17:37 below the three sections of text 17:37 right knome? 17:38 well, 17:38 in a way or other, that was the idea 17:38 but i'm not sure how doable it is with this small space 17:39 depends on your wallpaper ;) 17:40 the left alignment of the text is a good improvement IMO 17:40 makes the slide somewhat more 'open' 17:40 pushed rev603 17:41 you're killing me knome :P 17:41 :P 17:41 slickymasterWork, use 'bzr pull' 17:41 that's what I've been doing 17:41 heh 17:42 mhm, not bad 17:43 btw, i think the contrast between the xubuntu-logo and the bg color is a little low on the first slide 17:43 ochosi, yep, noted that 17:43 sorry for this guys, but definitely I don't like those three blue stripes 17:43 slickymasterWork, propose something? 17:44 the blue at the bottom is different from the one above, right? 17:44 no 17:44 I would go for just two tones of blue 17:44 ah, ok, that was a optical illusion then 17:44 ochosi, the bg is a gradient 17:45 and the whiter part is just overlay on that part 17:45 that third tone only appears in that slide, and some how it feels awkward 17:46 knome: yup, that explains it 17:48 knome: has a decision been made about the image to add to the 'Make the desktop your own' slide? 17:48 no 17:48 feel free to discuss that as i work on an updated desktop slide looks 17:48 but it's going to have one? 17:50 i guess something like this, but less ugly, could work :) http://cdn.xfce.org/frontpage/slider-xfwm4.jpg 17:50 I know that you're not a big fan on having to much images on the all slideshow, but that leaves that slide with a huge blank space, almost half of it 17:50 e.g. a pink version of greybird 17:50 ochosi, well, only if we add the color stuff to that slide :) 17:51 I'm sure pleia2 would agree with that pink version ;) 17:51 yeah, well it would be very illustrative ;) 17:51 i'm all for that 17:52 and anti-aliased fonts 17:52 does somebody want to draft the text for that? 17:52 me too 17:52 knome: the text for what? 17:53 for the color part 17:53 and also, 17:53 please discuss if we can get rid of the icons 17:53 and/or move the menu text to the previous slide 17:53 because we will need more space 17:58 I don't know, I might be having second thoughts about moving the menulibre text to the previous slide 17:59 maybe leave it on that slide and add another slide for the desktop theme thing 17:59 that works as well from my POV 17:59 i just pushed rev604 17:59 check the desktop slide :) 17:59 slickymasterWork, you'll like it more 17:59 I'm inclined to jjfrv8's opinion tbh 17:59 * slickymasterWork is still pulling it :P 18:00 ooh, yeah 18:00 * slickymasterWork congratulates knome 18:00 ok, so if we add another slide 18:01 can we name *that* "Make the desktop your own" 18:01 yup 18:01 yes, it's complete coherent with the rest of the slides 18:01 and the current one something like "Your computer, your data" 18:01 (not that, but you get the idea) 18:01 something like that, yeah 18:01 * slickymasterWork agrees 18:02 mm, also like it 18:04 pushed rev605 18:05 what abot "Put your personal label in your computer"? 18:05 s/abot7about 18:05 slickymasterWork, sounds like a long title :) 18:05 and might be a problem with translations 18:05 ok 18:05 ochosi, want to draft the text for the theme customizing slide? 18:06 who wants to take a new screenshot of the whiskermenu? 18:06 I can do it 18:06 ochosi, just to make sure, when do the final settings land for whiskermenu, or did they land already? 18:06 with the default favorites? 18:06 ok, so any ideas what to put in the "personalize" slide? 18:06 as an image, that is 18:06 slickymasterWork, yep, all defaults 18:07 don't we want one of mugshot at least? 18:07 that's was what I was going to ask? 18:08 ochosi: Ah, good plan. 18:09 ok, then take a shot of Mugshot with some fake, generic data maybe? 18:09 i would think that's enough for the slide 18:11 knome: check your email 18:12 I had one once when there were some default images for mugshot. whatever happened to them? 18:12 slickymasterWork, so no favorites? 18:13 did I take the wrong one :P 18:13 my bad 18:13 hehe 18:13 give a sec 18:13 also, wondering about slickymaster 18:13 maybe use "Xubuntu User" :P 18:13 (yeah i know that involves creating a new user) 18:13 I'm doin' it 18:14 thanks 18:14 sry, was afk 18:14 so - how's it going - anything I can do to help? 18:14 luckily creating a new user via users-admin won't result in a segfault anymore :D 18:14 whiskermenu settings will land when micahg merges them 18:14 are we now happy with the slides we have? 18:14 brainwash: :) 18:14 or do we want to add new ones? 18:14 ochosi: I had a quick look at the draft - you want me to look at the wording? 18:14 I haven't had a chance to see your last rev knome 18:15 :P 18:15 elfy: why not, also, if you think that some aspect is missing, feel free to point it out 18:15 okeydoke 18:15 slickymasterWork, basically just added a new empty slide for "customize" 18:16 and changed the tittle of the previously "Make the desktop your own" slide 18:16 yep 18:16 are we gooing with the personalize...? 18:17 that's a different question 18:17 what i'm asking now if we are happy with the slides composition 18:17 or if we want more/less slides 18:17 I'm happy 18:17 knome: i guess the text will depend on what exactly we put on the "make the desktop..." slide 18:18 ochosi, you mean the "personalize" ? 18:18 the current slides stay as they are 18:18 it's personalise ... ;) 18:18 the new slide is anything you want to mention 18:18 elfy, not in en_US 18:18 :p 18:18 so, eh, i'll expect everybody is happy with the slides 18:19 knome: elfy is having trouble with his keyboard-layout, you know ;D 18:19 #subtopic Review artwork 18:19 are we okay with the first slide? 18:19 artwork-wise, remember 18:19 or do we want a new image? 18:20 it's good for me 18:20 pleia2, are you sleeping? 18:20 apart from the contrast issue on the logo, yep 18:20 knome: working 18:21 ok, desktop slide 18:21 +1 18:21 +1 18:21 the panel has a dragger 18:21 or whatever that is called 18:21 do we have it in the final release? 18:21 dragger? 18:21 from which you can move the panel 18:22 or then it's just a visible separator 18:22 handle... 18:22 right to the logo 18:22 it's just the handle from the windowlist 18:22 Don't think it's unlocked by default 18:22 +1 18:22 we'll have that by default 18:22 okay 18:22 knome: sent 18:22 so the image is okay? 18:22 slickymasterWork, thanks 18:22 or do we want another open app 18:22 that doesn't have focus 18:23 might get a bit cluttered 18:23 yeah 18:23 that might go better with the middle part text thing 18:23 i think at that width it's ok 18:23 but it's okay as is 18:23 ok, let's keepit 18:24 whiskermenu slide 18:24 slickymasterWork just sent me a new shot 18:24 so that's good 18:24 personalize 18:24 so, a mugshot shot? 18:24 I was doing that 18:24 good, so it's in order 18:24 do we wish to keep the icons? 18:25 and, is menulibre "Main menu" ? 18:25 if we do, I think we should show the path 18:25 or something else 18:25 "Menu Editor" 18:25 it's "Menu Editor" 18:25 "Main Menu" == alacarte 18:25 ok 18:25 good to get that sorted out then ;) 18:25 so we ok to drop the paths back? 18:25 +1 18:26 knome: in the mugshot screenshot, do you want the data fields filled? 18:26 "drop paths back"? 18:26 ochosi, we used to have full app paths 18:26 yeah 18:26 i know 18:26 ochosi, now we don't, we only have the app icon and app name 18:26 yup, that's ok i think 18:26 slickymasterWork, yeah, use firstname Xubuntu lastname User 18:26 no need to fill everything 18:27 it can be a "work in progress" 18:27 ok, so the new "Make the desktop your own" 18:27 so "drop back" = "drop"? 18:27 ochosi, "drop back" = "drop back in place" 18:27 any images in the Image button? 18:27 ochosi, did mugshot lose the "Select from stock" option for the image? 18:27 knome: so you wanna re-add the paths? 18:27 slickymasterWork, better to leave without 18:27 ochosi, i'm asking if we should do that for that slide, yeah 18:27 jjfrv8: no, still has it here 18:28 knome: ah, yeah, maybe 18:28 the other option is: 18:28 knome: cause they're not in the toplevel menu 18:28 add a new paragraph that says "You can find both of these tools in the Settings Manager" 18:28 or sth 18:28 but i think i'd rather keep the icons 18:29 another option is 18:29 add mugshot to favorites 18:29 so any new user is given the possibility to fill in the details ASAP 18:29 nope 18:29 haha 18:29 okay 18:29 i'll just add the paths back 18:29 the thing is that stuff from the settings-manager can't be shown in whisker easily 18:30 right 18:30 same is true for the appmenu 18:30 and appfinder 18:30 sent knome 18:30 slickymasterWork, thanks 18:30 ok, the "MAKE THE DESKTOP..." slide 18:30 i talked to gottcode about adding that to whiskermenu though 18:30 who wants to take care of the slide text, shot? 18:30 ochosi, could you take care of the shot? 18:30 so it might be possible in the near future, most likely not in 14.04 though 18:30 knome: yeah, what should that one show? 18:31 ochosi, also, would you draft the text if i asked nicely? 18:31 well, depends on the text.. :> 18:31 i guess mention the ability to change theme colors 18:31 yeah, possibly not tonight, but generally speaking, okayish 18:31 and generally speak about things found in the settings manager 18:31 regarding customizing looks 18:31 that sounds like a lot 18:31 it's kind of your 15 minutes in the fame :P 18:31 so you can select what to talk about 18:32 what are the looks-customizability highlights for xubuntu (14.04) ? 18:32 write about that. 18:32 then take a screenshot that goes with that content 18:32 pink greybird sounds good to me 18:33 (pink resonates well with the blue) 18:33 we'er making pleia2's day 18:33 *we're 18:33 next! 18:33 "Ready to go!" -slide 18:33 artwork-wise, we happy? 18:34 bolding looks more logical now 18:34 hmkay, will try 18:34 ochosi, feel free to ask for help if you need some 18:34 the pink is actually a lot more subtle than you'd think 18:34 ochosi, yep. 18:34 ochosi, make it fuchsia ;) 18:34 not artwork, but I don't like the "for your pleasure" phrase. But I can't think of an alternative that's succinct. 18:35 without saying that it could be changed, nevertheless it's the poor parent of them all, in visual terms 18:35 jjfrv8, let's talk about content nitpicking after the artwork review ;) 18:35 k 18:35 slickymasterWork, yeah, but it's ought to be a boring slide ;) 18:36 knome: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-14-193547.php 18:36 what's the hex-value of fuchsia? 18:36 can't the font in the icons descriptions be bigger? (but not too big) 18:36 ochosi, #ff00ff 18:37 knome: ^^ 18:37 what I asked 18:37 OUCH 18:37 ochosi, you said pink is too subtle! 18:37 someone dial 991 for ochosi 18:38 http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-03-14-193753.php 18:38