== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 12 Mar at 18:59 — 19:53 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-03-12-18.59.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items === The discussion about "Open action items" started at 19:01. * ''ACTION:'' ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * Issues fixed upstream, landed or landing in Trusty soon * ''ACTION:'' lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests * if anybody notices any bugs with indicators, point ali1234 to them * ''ACTION:'' micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches * ''ACTION:'' Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing * ''ACTION:'' pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned * ''ACTION:'' knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:05. * elfy not much to report in qa - only planned calls for testing left are beta and rc * xubuntu-qa to get menulibre testcase up within the next week === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:11. * UI freeze is tomorrow * We will most probably need at least one UIFe for the new wallpaper and possibly other artwork packages unless we can get them uploaded/sponsored today/tomorrow * Documentation String Freeze is on March 20th === Agenda === The discussion about "Agenda" started at 19:18. * '''Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document''' (19:18) * '''12.04 > 14.04 upgrades, removing xscreensaver''' (19:19) * '''Documentation stuff''' (19:23) * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 and knome to look at attributing translators * Slideshow sprint: Friday, March 14 @ 17UTC * '''ochosi's question''' (19:46) === Schedule next meeting === The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 19:49. * Next community meeting: Thursday, March 20 at 18UTC == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * elfy * Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing * knome * knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff * Unit193 and knome to look at attributing translators * lderan * lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests * micahg * ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches * Noskcaj * Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing * pleia2 * pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned * Unit193 * Unit193 and knome to look at attributing translators == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * knome (177) * ochosi (40) * elfy (21) * pleia2 (17) * GridCube (15) * meetingology (13) * jjfrv8-work (12) * Unit193 (5) * lderan (4) * ali1234 (3) * Noskcaj (3) * ubottu (1) * michag (0) * micahg (0) == Full Log == 18:59 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 18:59 Meeting started Wed Mar 12 18:59:53 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 18:59 18:59 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:00 who's here for the meeting? 19:00 just 19:00 o/ 19:01 #topic Open action items 19:01 #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues 19:01 * meetingology ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues 19:01 anything new up with this? 19:01 it's fixed upstream, not sure if it landed in trusty yet 19:02 okay 19:02 #info Issues fixed upstream, landed or landing in Trusty soon 19:02 #action lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests 19:02 * meetingology lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests 19:02 if there's any indicator bugs, assign them to me (if you can) 19:02 #nick michag 19:03 #undo 19:03 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 19:03 hmm 19:03 or just send me the link 19:03 #action lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests 19:03 * meetingology lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests 19:03 #nick micahg 19:03 #info if anybody notices any bugs with indicators, point ali1234 to them 19:04 #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches 19:04 * meetingology micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches 19:04 #action Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 19:04 * meetingology Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 19:04 elfy? 19:04 not heard anything 19:04 okay 19:04 #action pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned 19:04 * meetingology pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned 19:04 pleia2? 19:05 #action knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff 19:05 * meetingology knome to work on the desktop of the week -stuff 19:05 carrying 19:05 #topic Team updates 19:05 please use #info, #action AND the new one, #done as appropriate 19:05 #done knome merged documentation and slideshow stuff 19:06 #done knome fixed docs translation validation issues 19:06 #info elfy not much to report in qa - only planned calls for testing left are beta and rc 19:06 I don't have any, knome did it all :) 19:06 #done knome pushed a new start page for docs 19:07 #info xubuntu-qa to get menulibre testcase up within the next week 19:07 cool 19:07 finally ;) 19:07 mmm 19:07 :P 19:07 i mean, with all the hurdles in many many teams 19:08 anything else? 19:08 not from me 19:08 nope 19:08 just a few updates, not really worth a #info 19:08 hmm right, 19:09 lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basic Xubuntu tests - what's going on with that? 19:09 #done knome and pleia2 worked on the flyer, almost ready 19:09 also Noskcaj, ACTION: Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 19:10 elfy, for the autopilot tests 19:10 yep 19:10 he was asking "what's the progress" :P 19:10 lol - yea :) 19:10 ah, need to start doing it :( 19:10 oki, np 19:11 #topic Announcements 19:11 #info UI freeze is tomorrow 19:11 o/ 19:11 #info We will most probably need at least one UIFe for the new wallpaper and possibly other artwork packages unless we can get them uploaded/sponsored today/tomorrow 19:12 #info Documentation String Freeze is on March 20th 19:12 what about changes to default whiskerment items? 19:12 elfy, probably those too, but i'd imagine they are in the pending uploads 19:13 jjfrv8, slickymaster: i asked you before, but i ask you again: 19:13 so we decided what they'd be? 19:13 is there something more or less major that needs to be landed before call for translators? 19:13 elfy, "everything that's in the slideshow" :) 19:13 elfy, as mentioned last week, or so 19:13 oh yea 19:14 we think it's fair to do that, because we're advertising that stuff 19:14 sorry - ignore me 19:14 heh, np 19:14 good to have any doubts cleared ;) 19:14 knome, not major, afaik, but there will still be minor updates to later chapters 19:14 should be done before 20th 19:14 jjfrv8-work, can you give me an oversight on the scale/subject of those? 19:15 before the end of the day? 19:15 i was thinking, like, now 19:15 if you had something specific in mind that we need to do 19:15 sorry not even able to look at work 19:15 if not, then it's probably not major enough to be worried about 19:16 the quicker we have the docs stuff ready, the better for us 19:16 I've been through the rest of the chapters and didn't see anything stand out 19:16 sorry, was pulled into a meeting, here now 19:16 yep, that's good 19:16 so basically, we will get a new docs upload on march 20 19:16 and then we can just call for translators 19:17 but practically we can tell translators to start translating now, if we're only going to do minor changes 19:17 and give translators one more week to work 19:17 i've even updated the translation template today, and it's already visible in launchpad 19:17 so everything that was proposed before yesterday is now translatable 19:17 hooray 19:18 I have one more proposal, but it's more backend. 19:18 yeah, that's not something to worry about for the translators 19:18 actually, there's more of the docs stuff i want to go through, but let's move on, and then get back to that shortly 19:18 #topic Agenda 19:18 #subtopic Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document 19:19 i'm dropping this from the agenda since this is postponed in our blueprints; we should add it back when we are actually ready to talk about it 19:19 #subtopic 12.04 > 14.04 upgrades, removing xscreensaver 19:19 who added this? 19:19 ochosi 19:19 what's the thing to discuss 19:19 aha... 19:19 ochosi, you around? 19:19 That it needs to be removed while upgrading 19:20 i'm guessing 19:20 he said he be back >20 mins on the meeting knome 19:20 yep - that - I'm pretty sure 19:20 yes... but wouldn't that just be a work item 19:20 i'm wondering if ochosi added it, if there was something else to discuss 19:20 GridCube, yeah, noticed that 19:20 knome: possibly 19:20 from my POV, the plan sounds good as long as it "works" 19:20 i guess it was added to discuss if using lightdm locker 19:21 14.04 should use light-locker, yes 19:21 and not have xscreensaver 19:21 for me it should be removed 19:21 it adds problems to viewing videos and such 19:21 i could imagine the discussion was about the technical side 19:21 though - I'd guess we'd need to do the same for 13.10 upgrade too 19:22 GridCube, again, please, rather file bugs about problems than switch to the "i'm not using it because it's broken and you'll never fix it" -mode 19:22 elfy, yep. 19:23 i'm carrying this, and encouraging any off-meeting discussion on it, if one can help the progress 19:23 #subtopic Documentation stuff 19:23 no, im not saying that, i just say that thats a reason im for the drop, there are plenty of bugs regarding the xscreensaver issue with video if you want me to search them, but that was not the point of my comment 19:23 GridCube, right, xscreensaver... 19:23 yeah, we adgree 19:23 *agree 19:23 that's why we want to use light-locker anyway 19:23 or, one of the reasons 19:24 so, docs stuff 19:24 :) 19:24 [xubuntu-doc] Investigate how to attribute translators: INPROGRESS 19:24 anybody have a good idea? 19:24 the translation string that launchpad adds is a bit lame, and we're unable to theme it 19:24 not even aware of it being a thing 19:24 basically: 19:25 we want the translated docs to tell: X contributed to this translation 19:25 o/ 19:25 hey ochosi 19:25 ochosi, we can get back to stuff after the docs stuff 19:25 Unit193, pleia2: ideas? 19:25 knome: sure, i'll read the backlog meanwhile 19:26 unfortunately I'm really weak on translations stuff, I don't know best policies here 19:26 from my POV, it's more of a technical issue 19:26 i *want* to attribute the translators :) 19:26 i'm just thinking what's the best way 19:27 * pleia2 nods 19:27 how are they tracked in lp? 19:27 LP creates a translation string in a .po 19:27 where the source string is "translator-credits" or so 19:27 and the translated string is a list of people and LP urls 19:28 ...which is not a list 19:28 but just names and urls after each other 19:28 can't we ask them to sign some kind of registry? 19:28 it scares me to look at it again, but I wonder if launchpadlib has a way to pull out the names 19:28 sounds like a job for a regexp? 19:28 Unit193, maybe we could semi-dirtily hack that off from the translation, and add them to a translated xml file 19:28 like "i translated x" and then we check if they did 19:29 GridCube, no, LP is tracking that 19:29 the problem is not that we need to check if people actually translated stuff 19:29 the problem is that we need to show it in a sensible way somewhere 19:29 or, want 19:29 pleia2, as i said, they *are* in the .po fiels 19:29 yes, thats why i say, we ask them to say to us if they want their names, and if they do, they sign a registry 19:30 knome: so just grep? :) 19:30 GridCube, the problem that we have is still around. how to show the registry? 19:30 pleia2, something like that, but should be automatic and build-time 19:30 oh, maybe a news on our site? 19:31 a lot of translators just look at laucnhpad and do translations, I doubt they'd find our registry 19:31 pleia2, and should be able to push the names to a translated file after grepping :) 19:31 pleia2, true 19:31 knome: yeah 19:31 and news on the site... we can do that as well, but the point is we want to attribute people ON the documentation 19:31 the information is available 19:31 * pleia2 nods 19:31 Unit193, want to look at that? 19:32 well i have to go :) 19:32 Eh. 19:32 * GridCube pokes knome and ask him to remember the desktop of the week project 19:32 GridCube, done. 19:32 bye 19:32 Unit193, that's a yes? 19:33 I don't even see what you're talking about, so you'd likely be better. 19:34 Unit193, in a Makefile, strip a certain translation string off a translation, grep it and turn it into HTML markup, inject it into a translated file. 19:34 Unit193, i can help with that. 19:35 #action Unit193 and knome to look at attributing translators 19:35 * meetingology Unit193 and knome to look at attributing translators 19:35 :)) 19:35 [xubuntu-doc] Update the installer slideshow: INPROGRESS 19:35 can we schedule a sprint for this? 19:35 If it's with makefiles, that's up to you. 19:36 Unit193, well scripts in makefiles. probably nothing too weird... 19:36 ochosi, jjfrv8-work, slickymaster, pleia2: what time would work for you? 19:36 something on the weekend? 19:37 I'm traveling these next couple weekends 19:37 saturday, 13 to 20 or so 19:37 what about friday then? 19:37 or monday 19:38 tomorrow is a bit bad for me 19:38 friday's okay for me, monday not so much 19:38 I can try for friday 19:38 wouldn't want to push this after monday though 19:38 is 19UTC bad? 19:38 fine by me 19:38 me too 19:38 ochosi, slickymaster: ? 19:40 slideshow sprint 19:40 yep 19:40 hm, i'm away for the weekend... 19:40 taking a trip 19:40 starting from friday? 19:40 so no interwebs and no sprint 19:40 from saturday early on 19:40 aha 19:40 we're talking about friday 19utc 19:40 the current meeting-time is kinda meh for me because it's dinner/movie/going-out time 19:41 so it coincides with lots of things potentially 19:41 just saying 19:41 propose a time later or earlier :) 19:41 earlier is ok for me too 19:41 both work for me too. 19:41 could be that i'm around, but earlier would certainly be more likely to work for me 19:41 ochosi, hour or two earlier? or more? 19:41 so something like 16 or 17utc would work just fine 19:41 ok 19:41 17utc works for pleia2, jjfrv8-work ? 19:41 good 19:41 slickymaster, hallö? 19:42 #info Slideshow sprint: Friday, March 14 @ 17UTC 19:42 ochosi, want to discuss the lts->lts upgrade? 19:43 i mostly put that there as a reminder 19:43 aha 19:43 i personally don't know how this would be implemented 19:43 okay 19:43 but there are a few things that should be removed on upgrades to trusty 19:43 maybe we can ask for some help in #ubuntu-devel or sth 19:43 one of them is xscreensaver, another is gtk2-indicators 19:43 would it be better as a work item? 19:44 both of those conflict with the stuff we ship in trusty 19:44 so i guess asking micahg would be step 1 for me 19:44 (frankly, i had hoped he'd read it there on the whiteboard) 19:44 if he doesn't know how we can do this, we need to ask around 19:45 and sure, it can also be made a workitem 19:45 yep 19:45 just didn't want to assign it to me ;) 19:45 (better assign it to someone with more technical knowledge) 19:45 not sure which blueprint is the best for that, but i'll get it up today 19:45 #topic Schedule next meeting 19:45 there was also another question/thing i wanted to raise 19:45 aha 19:45 if there's still a minute 19:45 #undo 19:45 Removing item from minutes: TOPIC 19:46 #subtopic ochosi's question 19:46 I saw we have a bugs blueprint now 19:46 yep 19:46 so i was wondering whether you wanna link *all* bugs that affect xubuntu trusty there 19:46 even e.g. bugs in gtk 19:47 (there is one i'm thinking of in particular, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909) 19:47 no, only everything that we are committed to fix 19:47 Gnome bug 710909 in .General "Buttons are cut in some windows" [Normal,New] 19:47 i don't think any of us can or is going to fix that 19:47 or very critical bugs otherwise 19:47 anything we want to track 19:47 right, well it's just a visual nuisance 19:47 ppl will see it anyway, so we probably dont even need to track it :) 19:47 (and i'm personally tracking it for a while already) 19:48 sure 19:48 no hard policy 19:48 ok 19:48 guess i wasn't around when you introduced that blueprint, so i wanted to make sure 19:48 they are just there to track the status on the work items tracker 19:48 added all bugs that were reported against xubuntu in the QA trackers after beta1 19:48 right, feel free to move along then 19:49 so that's where that list came from 19:49 ah ok 19:49 basically the one elfy compiled 19:49 yeah, pretty much that 19:49 #topic Schedule next meeting 19:49 so 19:49 let's get back to normal schedule 19:50 what do people think of making the meeting one hour earlier? 19:50 is fine 19:50 pleia2, is that worse for you? 19:50 oh, good 19:50 hooray for DST :) 19:50 for me it's a bit better 19:50 better here too 19:50 So we're putting it back at 2pm? 19:50 that'd be a pain for me atm - but there's not much I need to be worrying about atm 19:50 2pm what time :P 19:51 we're proposing 18UTC 19:51 just to try out if it works any better for people 19:51 did it not get moved from there ? 19:52 it was there because DST :P 19:52 * knome shrugs 19:52 anyway - as I said - not much for me to be about for anyway 19:53 ok 19:53 #info Next community meeting: Thursday, March 20 at 18UTC 19:53 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)