== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 13 Feb at 19:01 — 20:09 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Open action items from previous meeting === The discussion about "Open action items from previous meeting" started at 19:04. * ''ACTION:'' ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status * ''ACTION:'' ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * ''ACTION:'' micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches * ''ACTION:'' micahg to look at Noskcaj's MOTU application * ''ACTION:'' pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:12. * ''ACTION:'' lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests * xubuntu-docs 14.04.0 uploaded * git snapshot of xfce4-panel pending upload/review * light-locker will see a 1.2 release towards the weekend, which brings the feature of timed-locking, bregma will package/upload it * knome got the new website theme pushed to production, release soon * lightdm-gtk-greeter got a 1.8 release and is waiting to be packaged/uploaded * slickymaster finished the Xfdesktop documentation in Xubuntu docs * our gtk-themes got releases in git, shimmer-themes is ready to updated for b1 * lderan has got his meetingology bot changes now live, more to follow soon * xkb-plugin 0.7.0 now in trusty, might need testing * ''ACTION:'' Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:16. * Feature Freeze in one week * Beta 1 on Feb 27 * lderan is working on a settings UI for light-locker to be finished before FF * CC check-in at the meeting on the 20th. === Agenda === The discussion about "Agenda" started at 19:21. * '''Vote on the new panel layout @ Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu''' (19:21) * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu * ''Vote:'' OK to drop the bottom panel? Team members can vote (you know who you are) (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Approve the generic panel layout (whiskermenu vs. appmenu to be voted on later). -team can vote (Carried) * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=whiskermenu.png * ''Vote:'' Whiskermenu (+1) or application menu (-1)? -team can vote (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-team to generally discuss about whiskermenu after B1 * '''Discuss the need for Quality Assurance''' (19:52) * '''Discuss dropping gthumb from the seed''' (20:02) * ''Vote:'' Drop gthumb (+1) or keep (-1)? -team can vote (Carried) * '''Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document''' (20:07) === Schedule next meeting === The discussion about "Schedule next meeting" started at 20:07. * ''ACTION:'' knome to email the -devel list on scheduling the next meeting * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#450 Drop gthumb (+1) or keep (-1)? -team can vote]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 6/0/0) * Voters knome, lderan, slickymaster-job, jjfrv8, Unit193, Noskcaj * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#190 Approve the generic panel layout (whiskermenu vs. appmenu to be voted on later). -team can vote]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 7/0/2) * Voters knome, micahg_work, lderan, slickymaster-job, Unit193, ochosi, jjfrv8, pleia2, Noskcaj * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#146 OK to drop the bottom panel? Team members can vote (you know who you are)]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 7/0/2) * Voters knome, lderan, slickymaster-job, Unit193, ochosi, jjfrv8, pleia2, Noskcaj, GridCube * [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-13-19.01.log.html#216 Whiskermenu (+1) or application menu (-1)? -team can vote]] * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 6/4/1) * Voters knome, micahg_work, skellat_ghost, lderan, slickymaster-job, jjfrv8, ochosi, Unit193, pleia2, Noskcaj, GridCube == Vote results == == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status * ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * knome * knome to email the -devel list on scheduling the next meeting * lderan * lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests * micahg * ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues * micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches * micahg to look at Noskcaj's MOTU application * Noskcaj * micahg to look at Noskcaj's MOTU application * Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing * pleia2 * pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned * Unit193 * Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * knome (198) * meetingology (73) * ochosi (68) * Unit193 (37) * slickymaster-job (27) * Noskcaj (20) * pleia2 (19) * lderan (17) * micahg_work (16) * jjfrv8 (7) * brainwash (6) * GridCube (4) * ubottu (2) * skellat_ghost (1) * genii (1) * ali12341 (1) * ali1234 (0) * micahg (0) == Full Log == 19:01 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 19:01 Meeting started Thu Feb 13 19:01:08 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:01 19:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:01 so who's here for the meeting, and is somebody willing to chair? 19:01 o/ can't chair, might not even be able to stay for whole thing 19:01 I'm here for the meeting, but can't chair 19:02 o/ for the meeting, not for chair it ;) 19:02 s/for/to 19:03 o/ (but don't know how to chair) 19:04 #topic Open action items from previous meeting 19:05 #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:05 * meetingology ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:05 ali12341? 19:05 #nick ali1234 19:05 #action ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues 19:05 * meetingology ali1234 and micahg to follow up on gtk3 indicator stack issues 19:06 #nick micahg 19:06 Hello 19:06 #action Noskcaj to ping elfy re weather plugin 19:06 * meetingology Noskcaj to ping elfy re weather plugin 19:06 Noskcaj? 19:06 yeah still no movement there 19:07 it's in precise proposed 19:07 was there an issue with that which elfy wanted to resolve? 19:07 or did he want testing for it? 19:09 Just testing for that, i think enough is done 19:09 aha 19:09 #undo 19:09 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 19:09 #action micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches 19:09 * meetingology micahg to talk with the DMB and separate -dev from upload rights so we can allow more people to push to xubuntu branches 19:09 micahg_work, that should be done, right? 19:09 back 19:10 are people actually here, or should we move the meeting? 19:10 am here 19:10 yeah, i thought ppl are actually here 19:10 yes 19:10 just not updated in LP yet 19:10 ok, so i'll keep it in the actions 19:10 #action micahg to look at Noskcaj's MOTU application 19:10 * meetingology micahg to look at Noskcaj's MOTU application 19:10 that done? 19:11 haven't finished process stuff for website, so I'll need reaction on that 19:11 pleia2, i can't do it yet, since i don't know if have to/can undo the other action 19:11 * knome shrugs 19:11 yep, just updating 19:12 #action pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned 19:12 * meetingology pleia2 starts working on getting the Processes wikipage updated and cleaned 19:12 #action Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs 19:12 * meetingology Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs 19:12 Unit193, did you do that already, i forgot? :) 19:12 Nope. 19:12 ok, carrying on 19:12 you did the other one though, thanks 19:12 #topic Team updates 19:13 #action lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests 19:13 * meetingology lderan to create the individual merge proposals for the basix Xubuntu tests 19:13 No, been working on it. 19:13 #info xubuntu-docs 14.04.0 uploaded 19:13 #info git snapshot of xfce4-panel pending upload/review 19:13 \o/ 19:13 #info light-locker will see a 1.2 release towards the weekend, which brings the feature of timed-locking, bregma will package/upload it 19:13 \o/ 19:13 #info knome got the new website theme pushed to production, release soon 19:14 knome, I need to finish with the call for votes re MOTU app, hoping to do that tonight 19:14 #info lightdm-gtk-greeter got a 1.8 release and is waiting to be packaged/uploaded 19:14 micahg_work, okay 19:14 #info slickymaster finished the Xfdesktop documentation in Xubuntu docs 19:14 #info our gtk-themes got releases in git, shimmer-themes is ready to updated for b1 19:14 #info lderan has got his meetingology bot changes now live, more to follow soon 19:14 #info xkb-plugin 0.7.0 now in trusty, might need testing 19:14 lderan, nice work, btw 19:15 knome, thanks :) 19:15 #action Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 19:15 * meetingology Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing 19:15 we were able to bump the docs blueprint nicely today :) 19:16 my head is blank for anything else, let's move on 19:16 #topic Announcements 19:16 #info Feature Freeze in one week 19:16 and i guess that's it 19:17 we still need the xfce4-indicator-plugin updated 19:17 CC checkin 19:17 then beta 1 a week after 19:17 please get stuff into the sponsorship queue so we can get uploads in and avoid exceptions 19:17 just to keep that on our radar 19:17 Unit193, pleia2: can #info those? 19:17 and im working on the lightlocker settings to be finished before then 19:17 #action Beta 1 on Feb 27 19:17 * meetingology Beta 1 on Feb 27 19:17 oops! 19:17 #undo 19:17 seriously? 19:17 knome: can you undo? :) 19:17 sigh 19:17 #undo 19:17 Removing item from minutes: ACTION 19:17 #info Beta 1 on Feb 27 19:18 #info lderan is working on a settings UI for light-locker to be finished before FF 19:18 #info CC check-in at the meeting on the 20th. 19:18 since we are a week to FF, you can be in touch with me if you need to land something before that 19:18 and feel free to pester multiple times, i will forget things 19:19 same goes for me 19:19 will do 19:19 micahg_work, WILL DO :) 19:19 hah 19:19 micahg_work: i think what we need most is xubuntu-default-settings and seed-update, those things are all prepared as MR afaik 19:19 micahg_work, like, the merge requests could be great to be done 19:20 ok 19:20 ochosi, can you double-check with the -t-features blueprint if we have done all the seed changes (that are possible at the moment) 19:20 xfce4-panel is in sponsors queue. 19:20 Unit193, that's good 19:20 You already knew. 19:20 nice progress in the last few days, let's keep the momentum up 19:21 i did, just wanted to tell you again it's good ;) 19:21 let's move on 19:21 #topic Agenda 19:21 #subtopic Vote on the new panel layout @ Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu 19:21 o, behold! 19:21 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu 19:21 TL;DR (in our case "too lazy, didn't read"): 19:22 1) switch to one panel only, on the top of the screen 19:22 2) panel layout: | Whiskermenu | Windowlist-plugin | Systray | Indicators | Clock | 19:23 (just to mention that, the settings for the plugins aren't written in stone, but i've put them down anyway) 19:23 my gut feeling is, 19:23 1) vote for dropping to one panel 19:23 2) vote for the generic panel layout (see next item) 19:23 ochosi: no workspace switcher? 19:23 3) vote for whiskermenu/appmenu as the first item 19:24 brainwash, this. is. a. time. too. late. for. comments. 19:24 this has been around for ages 19:24 and ochosi has been open for feedback 19:24 just want to make it's not a mistake 19:24 make usre 19:24 knome: is this a community or a -team vote? 19:24 -team 19:25 well, we can make the -team vote which one it is 19:25 I vote whiskermenu and drop the bottom panel 19:25 but i'm thinking -team 19:25 mhm, fine with that 19:25 anybody disagree with that? 19:25 nope 19:25 nope 19:25 ok, great 19:25 nope 19:25 #vote OK to drop the bottom panel? Team members can vote (you know who you are) 19:25 Please vote on: OK to drop the bottom panel? Team members can vote (you know who you are) 19:25 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from ochosi 19:26 and +1 is drop, -1 is keep 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from jjfrv8 19:26 (to be clear as possible) 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from knome 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from slickymaster-job 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from lderan 19:26 !team 19:26 bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from pleia2 19:26 +1 19:26 +1 received from Noskcaj 19:26 mmm 19:26 +0 19:26 +0 received from Unit193 19:27 +0 19:27 +0 received from GridCube 19:27 #endvote 19:27 Voting ended on: OK to drop the bottom panel? Team members can vote (you know who you are) 19:27 Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 19:27 Motion carried 19:27 dropping the bottom menu. 19:27 bottom menu? 19:27 ah 19:27 er, bottom panel 19:27 ;) 19:28 :P 19:28 I missed that...I guess that's fine, though docks seem to be liked in genral 19:28 *general 19:28 micahg_work, wouldn't have changed the outcome, so i thought "move ahead" 19:28 I always turn it off :\ 19:28 aye same here 19:28 micahg_work: yeah, but it's not a real dock, just a launcher-panel (i've also heard complaints about that confusing ppl) 19:28 ochosi: yeah 19:29 oh, right 19:29 #vote Approve the generic panel layout (whiskermenu vs. appmenu to be voted on later). -team can vote 19:29 Please vote on: Approve the generic panel layout (whiskermenu vs. appmenu to be voted on later). -team can vote 19:29 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:29 +1 19:29 +1 received from knome 19:29 +1 19:29 +1 received from ochosi 19:29 +1 19:29 +1 received from slickymaster-job 19:30 +1 19:30 +1 received from jjfrv8 19:30 +1 19:30 +1 received from lderan 19:30 +1 19:30 +1 received from Noskcaj 19:30 +1 19:30 +1 received from pleia2 19:31 +0 19:31 +0 received from micahg_work 19:31 +0 19:31 +0 received from Unit193 19:31 #endvote 19:31 Voting ended on: Approve the generic panel layout (whiskermenu vs. appmenu to be voted on later). -team can vote 19:31 Votes for:7 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 19:31 Motion carried 19:31 cool, thanks for your support 19:31 #vote Whiskermenu (+1) or application menu (-1)? -team can vote 19:31 Please vote on: Whiskermenu (+1) or application menu (-1)? -team can vote 19:31 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 19:31 -1 19:31 -1 received from knome 19:31 -1 19:31 -1 received from Unit193 19:31 +1 19:31 +1 received from ochosi 19:31 +1 19:31 +1 received from jjfrv8 19:32 +0 19:32 +0 received from pleia2 19:32 -1 19:32 -1 received from slickymaster-job 19:32 i have a +1 proxy vote from skellat. 19:32 +0 19:32 +0 received from micahg_work 19:32 I've never seen whiskermenu 19:33 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=whiskermenu.png 19:33 +1 19:33 +1 received from skellat_ghost 19:33 :) 19:33 hehe 19:33 nice ghosting trick :) 19:34 :P huzzah for voting ghosts 19:34 do others want to vote? 19:34 +1 19:34 +1 received from lderan 19:34 knome, that png doesn't explain anything, in fact, it tempts me to - 1 19:34 micahg_work, feel free to :) 19:34 but feel free not to... 19:35 ok, so there's seemingly more discussion necessary for whisker-menu (is what i take away) 19:35 who's missing 19:35 -1 19:35 -1 received from micahg_work 19:35 bluesabre is not here now 19:35 GridCube is 19:35 not sure what he'd vote 19:35 Noskcaj, GridCube 19:35 ochosi, from the people who are "around" 19:35 ok 19:35 +1 19:35 +1 received from GridCube 19:35 +1 19:35 +1 received from Noskcaj 19:36 #endvote 19:36 Voting ended on: Whiskermenu (+1) or application menu (-1)? -team can vote 19:36 Votes for:6 Votes against:4 Abstentions:1 19:36 Motion carried 19:36 Boo. 19:36 so, 19:36 booo 19:36 we have a tricky situation here 19:36 lol 19:36 i think this really needs more discussion at least 19:36 ochosi, would you be happy with postponing the inclusion to T+1? 19:36 ochosi, or do you still want to push the cause, and try to get people convinced this cycle? 19:37 we can have a discussion with the 4 -1s after the meeting 19:37 ...In the back alley. 19:37 oh dear :) 19:37 i'm not sure going for "no" is a cool decision on a 6/4 pro vote 19:37 those who -1'd, are you sure you won't change your mind? 19:38 Pretty darn. 19:38 i'm pretty sure, and i don't think a single discussion (even in the back alley) makes me convinved 19:38 yeah 19:38 Yep, less proven and will be fun to support for 3 years. 19:38 ochosi, what kind of "more discussion" are you looking at? 19:38 s/will/could/ 19:39 just wanting to make sure ppl are thinking what is good for "all our users" instead of simply expressing personal preference 19:39 knome: ^ 19:39 ochosi, are there known drawbacks with whiskermenu, or is it "as safe/stable" to use it as the apps menu? 19:39 i don't know of any drawbacks 19:39 i've been using it for months now 19:40 my argument for the app menu is that it is conservative as is our desktop 19:40 One of the bigger advantages of whiskermenu is it will be more familiar for people coming from windows 19:40 Ehh. 19:40 whiskermenu seems to represent the "new" windows versions more 19:40 and more aesthetically appealing 19:40 which some people like, and others don't 19:40 frankly, i like the search-function 19:40 slickymaster-job: It seemed pretty clunky to me. 19:40 yeah, search helps a lot 19:41 for my taste, the whiskermenu is pretty complex/clunky as well 19:41 +1 19:41 I meant the appmenu Unit193 19:41 Ah, right, yes. 19:41 aesthetics is a bit subjective, but yeah 19:41 ochosi, are we kind of duplicating the appfinder feature here? 19:42 knome: no, i'd say we're integrating it into the menu 19:42 well, people tent to 'buy' with eyes first ochosi 19:42 ochosi, so duplicating, since we have it installed as well 19:42 slickymaster-job: yeah, but some will like it more visually, some will like it less... 19:42 It took me 6 months to realise we have an appfinder, and i've never used it. I think that's a fairly common use case 19:42 slickymaster-job: this is the main reason we don't vote on what i do with the theme generally 19:43 knome: we could get rid of appfinder with whiskermenu 19:43 agree with ochosi, just saying 19:43 whiskermenu doesn't have a command history like appfinder has 19:43 ochosi, we weren't voting on that though 19:43 ochosi: No, because xfrun is appfinder. 19:43 yup, true, and it doesn't launch apps 19:43 err, i mean commandlines 19:43 so it does not duplicate 19:43 :) 19:43 indeed 19:43 it does. 19:43 appfinder just does more. 19:44 well, but then the menu also duplicates appfinder 19:44 whiskermenu duplicates some of the functionality 19:44 the traditional one i mean 19:44 "it launches apps" 19:44 sure, but less than whiskermenu 19:44 seriously... 19:44 i'm not arguing/creating a fight here 19:44 i'm just pointing out the facts 19:45 yeah, but then also point out that the traditional appmenu "opens apps" 19:45 ochosi, is whiskermenu in the repositories already? 19:45 it's not really a pro/con imo 19:45 i think it is, yeah 19:45 lemme check to be sure 19:45 ochosi, launchers open apps as well. 19:45 yeah :) 19:45 ochosi, so does the terminal emulator 19:45 yes, whiskermenu is already there 19:45 so we can postpone this also 19:46 because it'd be affected by UI freeze, or not? 19:46 but that's not the point. the point is that the features which whiskermenu brings over the appmenu are basically duplicating more of appfinder 19:46 (just not to drag the meeting along too much) 19:46 dragging is good if discussion happens 19:46 or not good, but fair 19:47 yeah, but that does sound like you're using that as an argument, it extends the menu with a function of appfinder 19:47 switching to use whiskermenu would theoretically need a UI freeze exception 19:47 ochosi, no, i just wanted to bring that up since i kind of only now understood it 19:48 ochosi, one more question... 19:48 ochosi, will you be the liaison for contacting the whiskermenu developer if problems arise and try your best to get them fixed? 19:48 (if we decide to use whiskermenu) 19:48 knome: i already did, and he was hanging out in this channel also a while ago 19:48 (I think they already did.) 19:48 okay, 19:49 let's say that we at least install whiskermenu by default 19:49 since whiskermenu is in the repositories, we have a liaison and a good contact with the developer, and the vote ended 6-4, let's use it on the default panel 19:49 then ppl have the choice at hand with a click on the panel 19:50 #agreed Panel layout changes: the bottom panel will be dropped, the top panel will have a new layout with Whiskermenu 19:51 #action xubuntu-team to generally discuss about whiskermenu after B1 19:51 * meetingology xubuntu-team to generally discuss about whiskermenu after B1 19:51 Unit193, i'm sorry. :) 19:51 anybody want a last comment? 19:52 nope 19:52 if not, i'd like to quickly chat about gthumb 19:52 hah, no famous last words 19:52 Unit193, not even "I'M OUT"? 19:52 ochosi, about whiskermenu :P 19:52 #subtopic Discuss the need for Quality Assurance 19:52 knome: Hrm, good plan, I want coffee. 19:52 :P 19:52 elfy is not around, but: 19:53 he was concerned how QA is doing 19:53 my research: 19:53 * genii hears the call, and runs in with a large mug of strong coffee for Unit193, runs out again 19:53 looking at the packages tracker, the xubuntu desktop testcases have a lot more tests ran than lubuntu, or even ubuntu core 19:53 \o/ 19:54 that's most probably due to the calls on the mailing list 19:54 sweet, everyone wants to have a genii (and three wishes) 19:54 when it comes to alpha... 19:54 I need to run, but I think I can pitch in a bit more about spreading some of the calls for testing to social media 19:54 I'm not sure it's fair to compare to lubuntu, since they are missing a QA lead, and for much of the time, a dev lead 19:54 knome: i agree, QA is generally doing well imo 19:54 it's always like that 19:54 and I blogged about testing today, using Xubuntu iso as an example, so yay :) 19:54 Noskcaj: No, they have a "dev lead" 19:55 but it's true we should bump up the testing for betas 19:55 Unit193, Yes, but gilir has very little time. I will now stop talking 19:55 Noskcaj, is it fair to compare ubuntu core, who have a paid QA team leader? 19:55 of course 19:55 yep. 19:55 yay for us 19:55 Little time doesn't mean he doesn't exist, in that case we don't either. :P 19:55 basically, i think we're doing good 19:55 * slickymaster-job also thinks so 19:56 i hope that developers and other technical people will have more time to look at various bugs after the FF, when all the "creating" work should have been done 19:56 Well, tests are still lacking, and I've not done as much testing as elfy for sure or even pleia2. :/ 19:56 and when we should focus on fixing bugs 19:56 i don't think i've reported a single test result this cycle for milestones 19:56 iirc, i've reported a few against dailies 19:57 i will start doing tests with the betas though. 19:57 and i encourage others to do the same 19:57 and yeah, as pleia2 said, we should do some social media calls 19:58 (is already a work item in the blueprint) 19:58 knome: and also for packages testing 19:58 Although, that may not answer the question. Wasn't the question more of if we needed it than if we were doing good with it? 19:58 well, i'm coming to it 19:58 yes, i think we need it 19:58 there hasn't been many doing those 19:58 i thought "wow" when i looked at the packages tracker 19:58 so many bugs! 19:59 but that's only a good sign, right? at least we know about the nasty ones... 19:59 and yeah, we still need QA 19:59 yes, but it's just a few groups of people doing them 19:59 slickymaster-job, that's unfortunate of course 19:59 slickymaster-job, but it's more for us than the ubuntu core 19:59 thousands of people use every xubuntu release 19:59 definitely 20:00 do we really want to drop QA tasks? 20:00 no 20:00 * ochosi has to leave in about 10mins 20:00 IMO it's a valuable asset 20:00 does anybody have an argument for not having QA? 20:00 Thu Feb 13 20:00:25 UTC 2014 20:00 Only thought is that there's an aweful lot of package tests. 20:00 ochosi, will push this meeting to the end before that. 20:01 Unit193, that's why they are ran in cadence 20:01 Unit193, and we do have an awful lot of packages.. 20:01 maybe we can do with less testing with non-LTS releases 20:01 (for packages, and generally too) 20:01 Unit193: that also reflects the fact that QA team was worked a lot making them 20:01 s/was/has 20:02 but yeah, apparently nobody thinks we should stop doing QA tasks 20:02 hooray for elfy 20:02 yay 20:02 \o/ 20:02 and all the strength in figthing windmills :) 20:02 Unless he's the one that has to run it all. :P 20:02 Unit193, he's not 20:02 #subtopic Discuss dropping gthumb from the seed 20:02 does anybody want a comment? 20:02 or should we simply vote? 20:03 well gthumb's obvious problem now in xubuntu is the gtkheaderbar 20:03 First, does anyone object to it being dropped? 20:03 so we end up with duplicate window-borders/controls 20:03 i submitted a bugreport about that upstream, but no comments there yet 20:03 the other argument is that we have ristretto as well 20:04 and i'm doubtful that we can resolve this (even if fixed upstream) before release 20:04 Unit193's question, anybody? 20:04 So seems like a simple vote would outcome in it being dropped. 20:04 #vote Drop gthumb (+1) or keep (-1)? -team can vote 20:04 Please vote on: Drop gthumb (+1) or keep (-1)? -team can vote 20:04 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) 20:04 +1 20:04 +1 received from knome 20:04 +1 20:04 +1 received from slickymaster-job 20:04 +1 20:04 +1 received from Unit193 20:04 +1 20:04 +1 received from jjfrv8 20:05 +1 20:05 +1 received from lderan 20:05 +1 20:05 +1 received from Noskcaj 20:05 * slickymaster-job prefers Ristretto over gThumb 20:05 Headerbar was the big change for 3.3, we could patch it out 20:05 i'm not sure if i have a proxy vote or not from skellat, but if yes, that would be +1 20:05 Only thing, gthumb has a simple crop. 20:05 But i've never seen the point of use having gthumb 20:05 quote: Relative to the removal of gthumb from the seed, I am okay with its removal. 20:06 but not any more clear indication on vote either way. 20:06 !team 20:06 bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 20:06 others want to vote? 20:06 * Unit193 already voted. 20:06 My only issue with the drop is you have to try to understand gimp to do any image editing. Why not have something lighter/easier to use 20:06 Noskcaj, because there isn't anything easier to use, we've explored that option. 20:06 ok 20:06 Noskcaj, feel free to propose something for T+1 20:07 #endvote 20:07 Voting ended on: Drop gthumb (+1) or keep (-1)? -team can vote 20:07 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:07 Motion carried 20:07 * Unit193 misses xnview. 20:07 #subtopic Start the discussion on the technical review for the Strategy Document 20:07 postponing 20:07 #topic Schedule next meeting 20:07 do people want to move it out from the FF day? 20:08 sry, gotta go... 20:08 :/ 20:08 maybe tue/wed to have a day or two to prepare things? 20:08 ochosi, we're closing it up, see you ;) 20:08 seey'all 20:08 cheerio ochosi 20:09 #action knome to email the -devel list on scheduling the next meeting 20:09 * meetingology knome to email the -devel list on scheduling the next meeting 20:09 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)