== Meeting information ==
 * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu documentation checkup meeting, 05 Feb at 22:00 — 22:59 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-02-05-22.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== Quick run-through of the documentation blueprint ===
The discussion about "Quick run-through of the documentation blueprint" started at 22:01.

  * ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs 

=== What's new? ===
The discussion about "What's new?" started at 22:08.

  * ''LINK:'' http://pad.ubuntu.com/8xtc6oWrkg 

=== Assigning some tasks ===
The discussion about "Assigning some tasks" started at 22:53.

  * ''ACTION:'' slickymaster to lead porting xfdesktop docs
  * ''ACTION:'' jjfrv8 to lead writing menulibre docs
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to lead/nag about updating the installer slideshow
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to not let the team forget about translations
  * ''ACTION:'' pleia2 (voluntelled) to not let the team forget about website
  * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs
  * ''ACTION:'' knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership



== Vote results ==




== Action items ==

 * slickymaster to lead porting xfdesktop docs
 * jjfrv8 to lead writing menulibre docs
 * knome to lead/nag about updating the installer slideshow
 * knome to not let the team forget about translations
 * pleia2 (voluntelled) to not let the team forget about website
 * Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs
 * knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership



== Action items, by person ==

 * jjfrv8
  * jjfrv8 to lead writing menulibre docs
  * knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership
 * knome
  * knome to lead/nag about updating the installer slideshow
  * knome to not let the team forget about translations
  * knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership
 * pleia2
  * pleia2 (voluntelled) to not let the team forget about website
 * slickymaster
  * slickymaster to lead porting xfdesktop docs
 * Unit193
  * Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs



== People present (lines said) ==

 * knome (93)
 * slickymaster (43)
 * jjfrv8 (24)
 * meetingology (11)
 * pleia2 (7)
 * Unit193 (5)
 * elfy (4)
 * ochosi (1)



== Full Log ==


 22:00 <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu documentation checkup meeting

 22:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb  5 22:00:00 2014 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 22:00 <knome> #chair slickymaster jjfrv8 pleia2

 22:00 <meetingology> Current chairs: jjfrv8 knome pleia2 slickymaster

 22:00 <pleia2> o/

 22:00 <jjfrv8> who wants to start?

 22:00 <slickymaster> I think it would be better for you to open the hostilities knome, since you're more used to it

 22:01 <knome> mkay

 22:01 <slickymaster> or you, jjfrv8

 22:01 <knome> #topic Quick run-through of the documentation blueprint

 22:01 <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs

 22:02 <knome> so, the big things left to do are (looking as i type, will take some time):

 22:02 <slickymaster> well, the mugshot item is done

 22:02 <knome> 1) "what's new" page/slide

 22:02 <knome> 2) menulibre docs

 22:03 <knome> 3) copy some xfdesktop docs over

 22:03 <knome> 4) update tour/about pages

 22:03 <knome> 5) update installer slideshow

 22:03 <knome> and finally,

 22:03 <knome> 6) update documentation regarding the default xubuntu desktop layout/indicator stuff

 22:04 <knome> did i miss something?

 22:04 <slickymaster> I think not

 22:04 <knome> well 7) translations for docs

 22:04 <slickymaster> and there's also the bzr, and the code of conduct issues

 22:05 <slickymaster> but that's part od the developer documentation

 22:05 <knome> right, the developer docs

 22:05 <slickymaster> s/od/of

 22:05 <knome> i'm not sure if that's been something people have generally been excited about

 22:05 <knome> and from my POV, it's on the bottom of the list

 22:05 <slickymaster> understandably

 22:06 <jjfrv8> that was kind of my idea but since then I see where a lot of that stuff already exists

 22:06 <knome> jjfrv8, yeah, it's probably just scattered all over the place

 22:07 <slickymaster> well, regarding the points knome enumerate, I'm planning on starting to work on porting the xfdesktop over to docbook

 22:07 <slickymaster> and afterwards, start to deal with the MenuLibre -docs

 22:07 <knome> i consider 5, 6 and 7 blocked

 22:07 <knome> (at least)

 22:07 <knome> the rest we can basically work on right now

 22:08 <slickymaster> actually, I thought that MenuLibre was something that me and jjfrv8 could do together, similar to what we did with parole and xfdesktop

 22:08 <jjfrv8> can we talk about the "what's new" stuff?

 22:08 <knome> most definitely

 22:08 <knome> #topic What's new?

 22:08 <slickymaster> jjfrv8, ^^

 22:08 <slickymaster> ups

 22:09 <knome> (you can do #topic's as well)

 22:09 <jjfrv8> where do you think the subject should go in the offline docs? new chapter?

 22:09 <jjfrv8> http://pad.ubuntu.com/8xtc6oWrkg

 22:10 <knome> tell me if i said something else before, but i don't know if the docs are the best place for it

 22:10 <knome> (i'm not opposed to that idea either though)

 22:10 <jjfrv8> maybe not, can't remember

 22:10 <knome> maybe website + installer slideshow?

 22:11 <jjfrv8> okay

 22:11 <knome> we probably want that to be quite vibrant, and the docs aren't exactly that...

 22:11 <slickymaster> I think that would be preferable

 22:11 <jjfrv8> yeah, cause it pretty much demands screenshots

 22:11 <knome> yep, and marketing-like content

 22:13 <slickymaster> agree, it kind of seems logical to be in the installer rather than in the -docs

 22:13 <slickymaster> and the website

 22:14 <knome> hmm, there's surely some logs about it somewhere, but i'm quite certain we thought it's best to mostly cover the LTS->LTS transition

 22:16 <jjfrv8> yes, definitely LTS->LTS

 22:16 <knome> do we have anything other new than is mentioned on the pad?

 22:16 <slickymaster> just a sec

 22:17 <slickymaster> back again, sorry

 22:19 <knome> didn't even notice you were away ;)

 22:19 <knome> pleia2, any thoughts?

 22:19 <slickymaster> I don't seem to recall any other new stuff, other then what you already mentioned

 22:20 <knome> ok, good

 22:20 <knome> should we start working with it?

 22:20 <pleia2> not really

 22:20 <knome> apart from the integrated desktop stuff, that is

 22:20 <jjfrv8> you said slideshow was blocked but I think we could start on it

 22:20 <knome> i'm thinking that because we can most probably use the same material in that

 22:21 <knome> we probably want a bigger transition than just "update the same old slides"

 22:21 <knome> so if we have the "what's new" stuff ready, it's really easy to pick new stuff from there

 22:21 <knome> and same with that, we can't really write about the new, better integrated desktop yet

 22:21 <slickymaster> do you mean a complete revamp of the entire slideshow?

 22:21 <knome> because things aren't in place :/

 22:22 <knome> slickymaster, i've done a small visual facelift for it (to match with the website), and yeah, maybe the content is better rewritten as well

 22:22 <knome> we've had the same slides for ages

 22:22 <knome> and they aren't communicating "14.04 is full of new wonderful features"

 22:22 <slickymaster> well, it does goes back in the day :P

 22:22 <slickymaster> yeaps

 22:23 <knome> so, i would actually try to postpone that as far as possible

 22:23 <knome> it's good to keep in mind we have to do it... but other things seem more important now

 22:23 <knome> actually, the tour page is kind of blocked for the same reason

 22:23 <knome> the about page is ready to be worked on

 22:24 <knome> (on the website)

 22:24 <slickymaster> well, ideally I'll have xfdesktop ported to docbook format, by the end of the weekend

 22:24 <knome> so it seems the things we can do now is the xfdesktop and menulibre docs

 22:24 <slickymaster> jjfrv8, did you get to see what I wrote about the MenuLibre -docs?

 22:25 <jjfrv8> not yet. I just tried it today for the first time.  Baffled, like elfy

 22:25 <jjfrv8> didn't have v 2.0, though

 22:25 <knome> ah, 2.0 is something completely different

 22:25 <knome> it's a full rewrite

 22:25 <jjfrv8> how to get it. I don't know from tar's

 22:25 <knome> as with the testcase, i think we should cover the most basic functions

 22:26 <slickymaster> jjfrv8,  my idea is that MenuLibre was something that you and me could do together, similar to what we did with parole and xfdesktop

 22:26 <jjfrv8> I'm good with that.

 22:26 <knome> jjfrv8, 2.x is in trusty

 22:26 <slickymaster> once we overcome the initial barriers

 22:27 <jjfrv8> then I must have overwritten it :(

 22:27 <slickymaster> yes, I've installed it today in my trusty box

 22:27 <slickymaster> bluesabre, already has a namespace ready for them: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=menulibre-docs

 22:28 <knome> slickymaster, unrelated note: that site says "staging site", check with bluesabre if he's ok with us linking there from the docs, or if he's planning to move the docs

 22:30 <slickymaster> good point knome. I haven't done that and I've linked http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs in the settings-preferences chapter

 22:30 <pleia2> we could always upload them to docs.xubuntu.org

 22:30 <knome> i just noticed that myself

 22:30 <knome> worksforme

 22:30 <jjfrv8> but basically, I fine with starting on xfdesktop and menulibre with slicky

 22:30 <knome> pleia2, but no can has dokuwiki on docs.

 22:31 <pleia2> right, it wouldn't be a wiki

 22:31 <pleia2> static snapshot of documentation

 22:31 <slickymaster> I'll ping bluesabre on that

 22:31 <pleia2> but whatever, we can treat this like any other upstream

 22:32 <slickymaster> if not today tomorrow morning at the very least

 22:32 <knome> pleia2, yep.

 22:34 <slickymaster> jjfrv8, you could start on the MenuLibre while I wrap Xfdesktop until the weekend and by the start of next week I would join exclusively on that

 22:35 <jjfrv8> okay

 22:35 * slickymaster hopes that elfy won't start to say docs, docs, docs, and no -qa

 22:35 <slickymaster> with some luck we might have those ready for alpha1

 22:36 <jjfrv8> too late for that :)

 22:36 <elfy> alpha1 is long gone ...

 22:36 <elfy> some qa bloke you are :p

 22:36 * slickymaster hides in shame

 22:36 <slickymaster> yeaps, you're right

 22:36 <elfy> :)

 22:37 <slickymaster> about alpha1, not about doubting my '-qaness'

 22:37 <jjfrv8> knome, what about extending the docs? you mentioned two things from the Ubuntu Manual

 22:37 <elfy> :)

 22:38 <knome> jjfrv8, i'm considering the ubuntu manual stuff bottom of the list as well

 22:38 <Unit193> And perhaps a "What application preforms what role"?

 22:38 <jjfrv8> okay, fine with that

 22:38 <knome> jjfrv8, it's just one more resource to dig some stuff from *when* we are comfortable with everything else and want to extend the docs

 22:39 <knome> Unit193, like, extend file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/guide-default-apps.html

 22:39 <knome> (expecting you to have the docs installed)

 22:41 <Unit193> More or less, but with more core applications.

 22:41 <knome> Unit193, would be fine with merge proposals

 22:41 <knome> Unit193, also note we have file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/command-line.html#command-line-common-commands, which you might want to extend while at it

 22:42 <Unit193> (Do people use `edit` and `editor`?)

 22:42 * knome shrugs

 22:43 <Unit193> I can chech _history for what I commonly use, at least.

 22:43 <knome> i use nano.

 22:44 <knome> ochosi, stop hiding

 22:49 <jjfrv8> so, we have our plan, at least for the short term?

 22:49 * ochosi unhides

 22:50 <slickymaster> I would think we have

 22:50 <slickymaster> knome, anything you want to add?

 22:52 <knome> humph, well

 22:52 <knome> talk with ochosi about the desktop stuff

 22:53 <knome> i mean, not necessarily now, but...

 22:53 <knome> can we do a simple task assiging

 22:53 <knome> #topic Assigning some tasks

 22:53 <jjfrv8> please

 22:53 <slickymaster> go for it

 22:53 <knome> or tbe, see who's leading what

 22:53 <knome> so slickymaster, you'll be leading the xfdesktop stuff

 22:54 <slickymaster> yeaps

 22:54 <knome> jjfrv8, want to steer the menulibre docs at least for now?

 22:54 <jjfrv8> sure

 22:54 <knome> i'll make sure i'll nag myself and you about the installer slideshow

 22:54 <knome> pleia2, you ok to nag us about the website?

 22:55 <knome> i still need to look at some translation stuff, so i guess i can do the reminders/calls for translators later

 22:55 <knome> #action slickymaster to lead porting xfdesktop docs

 22:55 * meetingology slickymaster to lead porting xfdesktop docs

 22:55 <knome> #action jjfrv8 to lead writing menulibre docs

 22:55 * meetingology jjfrv8 to lead writing menulibre docs

 22:56 <knome> #action knome to lead/nag about updating the installer slideshow

 22:56 * meetingology knome to lead/nag about updating the installer slideshow

 22:56 <knome> #action knome to not let the team forget about translations

 22:56 * meetingology knome to not let the team forget about translations

 22:56 <knome> #action pleia2 (voluntelled) to not let the team forget about website

 22:56 * meetingology pleia2 (voluntelled) to not let the team forget about website

 22:57 <knome> #action Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs

 22:57 * meetingology Unit193 to do merge proposals for "X performs Y" styled listings for the docs

 22:57 <Unit193> >_>

 22:57 <slickymaster> lol

 22:58 <knome> jjfrv8, you probably got my reply, but will confirm here: the mail looks good as is, go ahead and i'll +1 your application

 22:58 <pleia2> :)

 22:58 <knome> #action knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership

 22:58 * meetingology knome to remember to +1 jjfrv8's application for ~ubuntu-core-doc membership

 22:58 <knome> anything else?

 22:58 <slickymaster> I think that's about it

 22:59 <jjfrv8> nope, thanks.

 22:59 <knome> ok, great

 22:59 <knome> if you have any questions or anything, i'm available as usually in this channel, PM and email

 22:59 <knome> thanks! :)

 22:59 <knome> #endmeeting



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