== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 23 Jan at 19:00 — 19:28 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 19:01. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (19:01) * ''ACTION:'' ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status * ''ACTION:'' knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position * ''ACTION:'' knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 * ''ACTION:'' lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with * ''ACTION:'' ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * '''Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches (separate branches team, or would -team do?)''' (19:04) * '''Social media outlet interaction (see details on the marketing blueprint whiteboard)''' (19:04) * '''Status of Bluetooth in Xubuntu; what kind of testing we want to run, which software we want to use?''' (19:06) * ''ACTION:'' team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters * ''ACTION:'' knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth * ''ACTION:'' elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily * ''ACTION:'' Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him * '''Discuss documentation translations''' (19:17) === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:17. * Alpha2 report - 64bit - 19 tests - only real fail was autoresize, but that fix is released. 32bit - 26 tests - some more issues here, main issue was the autoresize one though. * A2 contnued - 12 people tested this time AND reported, no idea how many tests were undertaken elsewhere * package testing - last call was for xubuntu applications - we've had 16 reported results against those * next package testing call will be for the settings manager in 2 weeks * several a/pilot tests ready for merge requests * finding some that don't work well - gimp (and the mines game) * light-locker and mugshot are now available for us to deal with testing, -QA are looking at that now * knome rescued some ISO's for old-releases archive * ''ACTION:'' ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing * many more 4.11 parts now available * menulibre in official repos * gthumb 3.3 is out, needs upload * there's an initial draft of the Mugshot documentation at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:23. * Alpha 2 is released! * 12.04.4, the last point release for Precise, will be released on Feb 6 === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 19:25. * '''Meeting structure''' (19:25) * ''ACTION:'' knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) * '''Schedule next meeting''' (19:27) * Next meeting Thu 30 Jan 19UTC * ''ACTION:'' knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list == Vote results == == Action items == * ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status * knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position * knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 * lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with * ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters * knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth * elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily * Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him * ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing * knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) * knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status * elfy * elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily * Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him * knome * knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position * knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 * knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth * knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) * knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list * Noskcaj * elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily * Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him * team * team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters * Unit193 * knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list * **UNASSIGNED** * lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with * ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing == People present (lines said) == * knome (100) * elfy (25) * meetingology (19) * Noskcaj (18) * ali1234 (8) * slickymaster (8) * brainwash (7) * jjfrv8 (4) * Unit193 (2) * ubottu (1) * team (0) == Full Log == 19:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 19:00 Meeting started Thu Jan 23 19:00:26 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:00 19:00 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:00 ok, who's here for the meeting? 19:00 o/ more or less 19:00 o/ 19:01 (i'll go on with the bureaucracy while people get in) 19:01 #topic Items carried on 19:01 o/ just arrived 19:01 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 19:02 #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:02 * meetingology ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status 19:02 ali1234, ? 19:02 still on-going, but it's active (talked about it a bit yesterday) 19:02 the fixes will come as part of much larger changes 19:03 okay, any news? should we keep it carried on? 19:03 yes 19:03 okay, will do 19:03 #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 19:03 * meetingology knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 19:03 TBD 19:03 #action knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 19:03 * meetingology knome to look into the graphics problem with bug 1207493 19:03 bug 1207493 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Precise) "[SRU] Documentation does not match shipped system version (11.10 shipped with 12.04)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207493 19:03 TBD 19:03 #action lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with 19:03 * meetingology lderan to update list of apps we can work autopilot with 19:03 will carry on 19:04 #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:04 * meetingology ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:04 carrying on 19:04 ok, rest are clear 19:04 or not appropriate any more 19:04 #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches (separate branches team, or would -team do?) 19:04 this is stupid, but, 19:04 carrying on 19:04 #subtopic Social media outlet interaction (see details on the marketing blueprint whiteboard) 19:04 pleia2, around? 19:05 ...carrying on 19:06 #subtopic Status of Bluetooth in Xubuntu; what kind of testing we want to run, which software we want to use? 19:06 Noskcaj, probably not going to get a good discussion about this, but didn't you work on some bluetooth stuff lately? 19:06 also, what are we using now and would it be a good pick for 14.04, or should we change? 19:07 it pretty much boils down to blueman (current) vs gnome-bluetooth and maybe indicator-bluetooth 19:07 knome, blueman is now active upstream, we have a new git snapshot 19:07 ali1234, do you have any preference? 19:07 no, they both work fine for me 19:07 i personally don't know enough to make any kind of decision 19:07 never had any problems with blueman 19:07 i guess i could plug in my bluetooth dongle some day and look at a few things 19:08 can't remember what i've used before, but from my POV, the other option i've used was really complex and confusing, and the other one was really simple 19:08 so maybe it's a good starting point to evaluate if they differ on the complexity level 19:08 dunno, let's postpone this 19:08 #nick team 19:09 would it be an idea to get in touch with those in team to find when they are about to get these issues dealt with? 19:09 #action team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters 19:09 * meetingology team members that are able to test/use bluetooth stuff, consider which software they would like to use, if it matters 19:09 that ^ 19:10 #action knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth 19:10 * meetingology knome to send an email to the mailing list re: bluetooth 19:10 ali1234: doesn't gnome-bluetooth require gnome-control-center? 19:10 and that ^ 19:10 possibly 19:10 knome: yea - but it's more than 1 thing we keep carrying forward 19:10 i haven't really used it recently 19:10 doesn't time-admin pull that in anyway, or did we drop time-admin for that reason? 19:11 time-admin is gnome-system-tools 19:11 elfy, none of the rest are something we *need* to get rolling now :) 19:11 like users-admin 19:11 right 19:11 ubuntu uses gnome-bluetooth, so they'll have to fix that anyway 19:11 i droppedtime admin a few days ago 19:11 Noskcaj, is there a replacement? 19:11 it's all part of system-tools now 19:12 but it's still not maintained or? 19:12 only downstream 19:12 Noskcaj, if there isn't a replacement, please raise that issue up on the mailing list, so other developers can chime in and discuss what the right strategy to go forward is 19:12 #action Noskcaj to send an email to the mailing list re: time-admin and alternatives 19:12 * meetingology Noskcaj to send an email to the mailing list re: time-admin and alternatives 19:13 knome, all the same stuff is there, we just don't split the package anymore 19:13 brainwash, apparently is Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo who's maintaining it 19:13 ^ same for users-admin 19:13 right... 19:13 right 19:13 #undo 19:13 Removing item from minutes: 19:13 * Noskcaj check's we're talking about the same thing 19:14 so we've lost the GUI for both of these now? 19:14 Noskcaj, just to make sure i understood correctly: you dropped time-admin, which is part of gnome-system-tools now, but we're still shipping gnome-system-tools? 19:14 gnome-time-admin, gnome-network-admin are no longer split, still exist as part of system-tools though 19:14 knome, yeah 19:14 ok, thanks 19:14 lost is the wrong term, we are just looking for alternatives 19:14 elfy, we didn't. 19:15 the split was an ubuntu delta from way back that we didn't need anymore 19:15 knome: well I'm confused 19:15 elfy, the packages used to be separated 19:15 elfy, now they are merged in one big package, which we are shippinh 19:15 s/h/g/ 19:15 elfy, so basically, we just dropped a mention to a package that doesn't exist any more 19:16 yep - ok, I'm talking about what people use out there in the world - because user tool is missing from settings now 19:16 Noskcaj, ^ 19:16 and how do people deal with time 19:16 elfy, It should all still be there 19:16 well it's not ;) 19:16 same files shipped, just not split into three things 19:17 #action elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily 19:17 * meetingology elfy to poke Noskcaj if time-admin and users-admin do not exist in the next daily 19:17 Then woops, blame pitti 19:17 elfy: dpkg -L gnome-system-tools | pastebinit 19:17 #action Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him 19:17 * meetingology Noskcaj to fix up the mess if elfy pokes him 19:17 are we happy? 19:17 sure 19:17 yep 19:17 elfy? :) 19:17 good 19:17 #subtopic Discuss documentation translations 19:17 postponing. 19:17 #topic Team updates 19:17 Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6804506/ 19:18 ok, please use #info and #action again 19:18 floor is yours 19:18 #info Alpha2 report - 64bit - 19 tests - only real fail was autoresize, but that fix is released. 32bit - 26 tests - some more issues here, main issue was the autoresize one though. 19:18 #info A2 contnued - 12 people tested this time AND reported, no idea how many tests were undertaken elsewhere 19:18 #info package testing - last call was for xubuntu applications - we've had 16 reported results against those 19:18 #info next package testing call will be for the settings manager in 2 weeks 19:18 #info several a/pilot tests ready for merge requests 19:18 #info finding some that don't work well - gimp (and the mines game) 19:18 #info light-locker and mugshot are now available for us to deal with testing, -QA are looking at that now 19:18 #info knome rescued some ISO's for old-releases archive 19:18 #action ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing 19:18 * meetingology ~QA to write tests for new packages, sync to tracker and call for testing 19:18 #info many more 4.11 parts now available 19:19 #info menulibre in official repos 19:19 great news 19:19 #info gthumb 3.3 is out, needs upload 19:19 thanks Noskcaj and bluesabre 19:19 reminds me we should have the every-cycle discussion whether to drop gtuhmb or not 19:20 #info there's an initial draft of the Mugshot documentation at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs 19:20 * knome hides 19:20 drop it 19:20 no - keep it 19:20 elfy, agree, but it does handle digital cameras and ristretto doesn't :P 19:20 :) 19:20 speeking of which, i need to add the gphoto dep 19:20 noskcaj, you wanted Precise testers for weather-plugin? 19:21 and power manager - it's in hand 19:21 jjfrv8, yeah. I'm not sure if infinity moved it across yet, but i will need some 19:21 power-manager is saucy though 19:21 the precise point release is in what, one week? 19:21 that's close, so please get moving if you still need to prepare something for it 19:21 * knome looks at himself with the docs SRU package 19:22 Noskcaj, I'll talk to you after the meeting about it 19:22 ...so, other updates? 19:22 not from me - slickymaster anything I've forgotten? 19:22 not from me this week 19:23 knome, about documentation, don't you think that we can reuse http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs 19:23 been a slower week for me too 19:23 nopes, elfy. I think you've covered it all 19:23 slickymaster, if that's updated for the latest version, yes, definitely 19:23 #topic Announcements 19:24 #info Alpha 2 is released! 19:24 yes, it is. jjfrv8 and I just finish it a few weeks ago 19:24 #info 12.04.4, the last point release for Precise, will be released on Feb 6 19:25 #topic New and emerging items 19:25 i have one minor new item: 19:25 #subtopic Meeting structure 19:25 if there's no objections, i will change the meeting structure a bit; 19:25 first, go through the open action items, then updates, then announcements, and only after that any carried on or other agenda items 19:26 i expect objections to be raised in the next 10 seconds 19:26 I 19:26 have none 19:26 ok, bang 19:26 will change the meeting page accordingly when setting up the minutes ;) 19:27 #action knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) to the meetings page 19:27 * meetingology knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) to the meetings page 19:27 hmm 19:27 #undo 19:27 Removing item from minutes: 19:27 #action knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) 19:27 * meetingology knome to update the meeting page to incorporate the new structure (all longer agenda items at the end of the meeting) 19:27 better 19:27 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 19:28 #info Next meeting Thu 30 Jan 19UTC 19:28 Unit193, you can update the calendar now ;) 19:28 humph, one more thing 19:28 Wilco. 19:28 the band? 19:28 #action knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list 19:28 * meetingology knome and Unit193 to prepare a mail for xubuntu-core reviewing and send it to the mailing list 19:28 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)