== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 12 Dec at 19:11 — 20:26 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-12-19.11.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 19:11. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (19:11) * ''ACTION:'' knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * ''ACTION:'' skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * Uploaded to saucy-proposed but not accepted yet; will follow up on next meeting === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:13. * Going to use this as the call for testing schedule http://pad.ubuntu.com/OHGoAbZPji * Image testing: 64 bit - 5 people did 7.3% of all possible tests and for 32 bit - 4 people did 13.2% of all possible tests * Automatic image testing - working for us now, though currently all failing due to the user-session bug, can be seen here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-run/ * Package testing - 13/13 Mandatory, 4/5 Run Once, 10/22 Optional - atm 3 people tested packages(these all need further testing calls though) re schedule * Used the contact team members (xubuntu-testers) for testing call last time, 1 person amongst those mentioned above seems new to me * QA team is running now - good forward step this, everyone knows (or should) what each other is working on * Call to be written explaining exploratory testing - these will be reported via packages tracker, but is about people testing when they're using apps rather than to a schedule * gthumb 3.2.5 is now uploaded, a second upload will re-add webapps * Sent "What's New in Trusty" doc proposal email to ML * autopilot tests has a bit of a step forward, looks like we can do some basic testing with the xfce at the moment (checking to see if they open) === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:18. * '''Changes in Lionel Le Folgoc's leadership positions''' (19:18) * Lionel will step down from the Technical Lead position, but will stay as the Debian Liaison * ''ACTION:'' knome to update the Leaders wikipage === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 19:31. * '''Alpha participation''' (19:31) * ''Vote:'' Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote (Carried) * '''Replacing post installation tests''' (19:34) * Proposal: Replace current post install tests (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info with a single test http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1569/info . Tests for old optional items to be created and then added to new single test. * '''"What's new" for LTS''' (19:39) * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-December/009517.html * '''Other things''' (19:46) * We might be able to re-add pidgin twitter support if https://code.google.com/p/prpltwtr/issues/detail?id=88 get's fixed. there is a bounty worth $5000 dollars (currently) for a fix * ''ACTION:'' ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * ochosi has been working with eric_the_idiot a few of the missing pieces of Xfce4.12 done * NSchermer said he will try to do more development releases before christmas * ochosi wants "those of you who test trusty already to use the shimmer-daily PPA" * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily * '''Schedule next meeting''' (19:57) * testing should focus on Gnome3/Gtk3 apps (e.g. evince), checking whether the theming is fine and whether all icons are there * ''ACTION:'' elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre * ''ACTION:'' elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at * ''ACTION:'' - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details * ochosi said "so whoever tests indicators at the moment, also use the shimmer daily PPA please" * '''Schedule next meeting''' (20:26) * Next meeting Thu 19 Dec at 19UTC == Vote results == * Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 6/0/0) == Action items == * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * knome to update the Leaders wikipage * ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre * elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at * - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * elfy * elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre * elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at * - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details * knome * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome to update the Leaders wikipage * ochosi * ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back * skellat * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 == People present (lines said) == * knome (145) * ochosi (75) * elfy (61) * micahg-work (35) * meetingology (21) * Noskcaj (13) * pleia2 (12) * Unit193 (11) * ali1234 (10) * jjfrv8 (6) * lderan (5) * skellat (3) * PhoenixSTF (2) == Full Log == 19:11 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 19:11 Meeting started Thu Dec 12 19:11:12 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:11 19:11 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:11 Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 19:11 #topic Items carried on 19:11 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 19:11 #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 19:11 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 19:11 TBD 19:12 #action skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:12 * meetingology skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:12 ali1234, are you around? 19:12 o/ 19:12 ali1234, what's up with that? 19:12 someone uploaded it to saucy proposed 19:12 y'all need to verify it 19:12 ok, cool, so it's progressing 19:12 It's not been accepted AFAIK. 19:13 #info Uploaded to saucy-proposed but not accepted yet; will follow up on next meeting 19:13 looks like the rest are pretty much done 19:13 #topic Team updates 19:13 use #info and #action 19:14 any updates? 19:14 I've got a list of them - shall I go for it 19:14 go ahead 19:14 #info Going to use this as the call for testing schedule http://pad.ubuntu.com/OHGoAbZPji 19:14 #info Image testing: 64 bit - 5 people did 7.3% of all possible tests and for 32 bit - 4 people did 13.2% of all possible tests 19:14 gthumb 3.2.5 is now uploaded 19:14 #info Automatic image testing - working for us now, though currently all failing due to the user-session bug, can be seen here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/All/job/ubiquity_ap-xubuntu_devel_daily-run/ 19:14 Noskcaj, use #info please 19:14 #info Package testing - 13/13 Mandatory, 4/5 Run Once, 10/22 Optional - atm 3 people tested packages(these all need further testing calls though) re schedule 19:14 #info Used the contact team members (xubuntu-testers) for testing call last time, 1 person amongst those mentioned above seems new to me 19:14 #info QA team is running now - good forward step this, everyone knows (or should) what each other is working on 19:14 #info Call to be written explaining exploratory testing - these will be reported via packages tracker, but is about people testing when they're using apps rather than to a schedule 19:14 done 19:14 #info gthumb 3.2.5 is now uploaded, a second upload will re-add webapps 19:15 #info Sent "What's New in Trusty" doc proposal email to ML 19:15 you might want to look at that 2nd #info - abysmal in my opinion 19:15 elfy, wondering if it would make more sense to try to format that in the same way as the release schedule 19:15 cool to hear about automatic image testing :) 19:16 #info autopilot tests has a bit of a step forward, looks like we can do some basic testing with the xfce at the moment (checking to see if they open) 19:16 knome: perhaps - but as it's only really going to be me or the QA team working from it - not sure it's that important 19:16 elfy, as long as it works for you... 19:17 yep 19:17 let's get back to testing/qa later 19:17 any other updates? 19:17 k 19:18 this has clearly been a slower week, but that's only expected because christmas is so near 19:18 #topic Announcements 19:18 #subtopic Changes in Lionel Le Folgoc's leadership positions 19:18 effective from this moment of time, lionel (mr_pouit) will step down as the technical lead 19:19 as you all might have gathered, he hasn't been awfully active recently, and we both thought this is a step towards a better future; with an active technical lead 19:20 he will continue as the debian liaison 19:21 so who's going to be the active technical lead now? 19:21 i haven't got into that yet :) 19:21 hrm 19:21 i will have to talk to the team in the following days about that 19:22 #info Lionel will step down from the Technical Lead position, but will stay as the Debian Liaison 19:22 anybody want to add something, or have any further questions? 19:23 not at present 19:23 #action knome to update the Leaders wikipage 19:23 * meetingology knome to update the Leaders wikipage 19:24 but yeah, it is a good question who will become the next technical lead 19:24 however, do not panic; in practice the situation isn't much different from what it has been during the last few cycles 19:24 sorry to ask but what is technical lead? 19:25 not applying just wondering! 19:25 the person that's responsible for technical issue consideration 19:25 practically the team always discusses issues together 19:26 and ultimately the project lead has a veto vote, even on technical issues 19:26 anyway, i will be in touch with people about this ASAP 19:26 Micah Gersten is our only other person on that team 19:26 micahg :) 19:26 on -dev, yes 19:27 Can i get put into -dev yet or is there an application process? 19:27 by team i meant the xubuntu team ;) 19:27 knome: ah 19:27 but sure, the -dev team as well. 19:28 being approved to -dev comes with certain access rights, and i would consider only people who have xubuntu packageset upload rights qualified 19:29 yeah 19:29 so - we should have had 'talks' by the next meeting? if so perhaps we should move along and talk about that properly afterwards 19:29 yep. 19:29 is that process ubuntu dev PPU application? 19:29 pleia2, i would imagine so 19:29 pleia2, so, DMB approves 19:29 Noskcaj, let 19:29 * pleia2 nods 19:30 Noskcaj, let's review that outside the meeting 19:30 ok 19:30 and yep, sure; just wanted to answer any and every question. 19:30 anybody else has announcements? 19:31 not from me 19:31 nope 19:31 #topic New and emerging items 19:31 #subtopic Alpha participation 19:31 i think we've pretty much planned this already on previous meetings, so... 19:31 #vote Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote 19:31 Please vote on: Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote 19:31 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 19:32 +1 19:32 +1 received from knome 19:32 +1 19:32 +1 received from elfy 19:32 +1 19:32 +1 received from pleia2 19:32 +1 19:32 +1 received from jjfrv8 19:32 I've got a proxy +1 from skellat too 19:32 yep, i can confirm that 19:32 +1 19:32 +1 received from micahg-work 19:32 +1 It'd be nice to have a better boot up than right now though. 19:32 +1 It'd be nice to have a better boot up than right now though. received from Unit193 19:33 Unit193, better meaning "it works better" or "it works at all" ? :) 19:33 knome: Technically it works since you can get it to login. 19:33 :) 19:33 yep, we should improve that. 19:34 #endvote 19:34 Voting ended on: Participate in both alphas (+1) or not (-1); team members can vote 19:34 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 19:34 Motion carried 19:34 #subtopic Replacing post installation tests 19:34 #info Proposal: Replace current post install tests (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1434/info with a single test http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1569/info . Tests for old optional items to be created and then added to new single test. 19:35 elfy, ? 19:35 do you have a question or... 19:35 * elfy ? 19:35 hehe 19:35 sigh - me? 19:35 okay, so no question (i know i asked to add this to the list) 19:35 so basically, we're going to change the post installation tests 19:35 bleh, just returned home 19:36 oic lol - no - I'm making a statement :) 19:36 if nobody objects, we will just go ahead with that 19:36 basically, we want to drop the peripheral/optional tests from the main test 19:36 and move those into package tests 19:36 we will still link to those package tests as appropriate though 19:37 but this should eliminate running only 2/7 of a test and still marking it "passed" 19:37 this way we should get more accurate results as well 19:37 some testcases need to be written, but i'm sure elfy will follow up on that 19:37 yep - on my list 19:37 already 19:37 any questions from others? 19:38 wb ochosi 19:39 #subtopic "What's new" for LTS 19:39 jjfrv8, want to share some thoughts? 19:40 well I don't know if everyone has seen the email yet, but we would like some feedback on whether 19:40 I like the idea, and I think we might include a "what's new since last release and since last lts" 19:40 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-December/009517.html 19:40 the email 19:40 to do a "what's new" page for Trusty 19:40 I saw 19:40 I think installation slideshow should only be since saucy though 19:41 we've got a pretty full BP for trusty so we would probably need some help with it 19:41 yeah, that makes sense 19:41 I like the idea on general, not sure whether we need to seperate them though 19:41 there should be an LTS -> LTS what's new though 19:41 developers should help with gathering the things 19:41 it shouldn't be too much work, since we already have to write this stuff for release announcements 19:41 i mean, the subject matter 19:41 elfy: A little bit, since it doesn't apply the same to both groups. 19:41 grab the CD manifest and diff? 19:41 -docs should just overlook the process and make it readable for end-users ;) 19:42 knome: yeah 19:42 Unit193: I guess so 19:42 micahg-work, that's one option, but i'd rather focus on what "looks" new from the user POV 19:42 eg. run both the old and new release in VMs 19:42 and see what's new in basic functionality etc. 19:43 but whatever way works for me 19:43 knome, sure, I was just suggesting an easy way to see the new apps/version changes 19:43 (the more ways we can cover, the better, because that way we'll catch more things) 19:43 micahg-work, shouldn't pretty much everything be updated from precise->trusty? :) 19:44 other questions? 19:44 when will we know e.g. what things from xfce 4.12 will make it? 19:44 knome, umm, in theory, but you can see the versions that changed as well 19:44 micahg-work, yep :) 19:44 jjfrv8, we made our cherry-pick list already 19:44 does anyone know if 4.12 has been given any new push towards a final release? 19:44 micahg-work, not that i know of 19:45 jjfrv8, ...and if 4.12 isn't released on time for T, that's accurate 19:45 and it doesn't look very plausible 19:46 #subtopic Other things 19:46 which will be sad as Jessie will probably have 4.12 and we'll be divergent... 19:46 micahg-work, when's the target release date for jessie? 19:46 Nov 5 2014 IIRC 19:47 wait, that's the freeze 19:47 #info We might be able to re-add pidgin twitter support if https://code.google.com/p/prpltwtr/issues/detail?id=88 get's fixed. there is a bounty worth $5000 dollars (currently) for a fix 19:47 Debian doesn't do target release dates, they release when ready 19:47 okay 19:47 knome, nothing we can do about it, just mentioning it 19:47 any thoughts on packing 4.11 into 14.04 and then getting 4.12 SRUd or something? 19:48 +1, although not all components 19:48 (there's actually not so many components missing for that) 19:48 ochosi, I'd probably be more comfortable with that in a PPA than in the distro, there's no telling what will change before release unless everything is in bug fix mode only 19:48 micahg-work, sure. just good to track that as well 19:49 i would be fine with SRUing all of 4.12, as long as developers want to do it 19:49 micahg-work: i did go through the roadmap recently, feature-wise it's pretty much done 19:49 but then again, i'm stepping down after 14.04 release, so you might want to consult somebody else on that :) 19:49 I don't think we could pull that off, I'd be ok with backporting 4.12 when it got in though 19:50 (assuming we could get the required testing to pass) 19:50 big assumption 19:50 my guess is that xfce will only change very incrementally until 4.12 now 19:50 i can promise i can do more testing after the 14.04 release. 19:50 as soon as i hear back from nick, i can let you know 19:51 #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:51 * meetingology ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 19:51 knome: as much as I thank you - 1 person doesn't do much to the figures I've got :) 19:51 ochosi, ok, let's keep an eye on that, we don't have an SRU microexception for Xfce, so SRUing the whole stack would be a nice trick 19:51 elfy, not to the person figures, no ;) 19:51 cool 19:52 just to give you the infos that i have now: 19:52 ochosi, #info please! 19:52 :)) 19:52 yeah, well it's nothing official 19:52 still.. 19:52 fine... 19:53 #info ochosi has been working with eric_the_idiot a few of the missing pieces of Xfce4.12 done 19:53 #info NSchermer said he will try to do more development releases before christmas 19:54 (that'll most likely include xfwm4) 19:55 so i'm more hopeful that the release is not so far away 19:55 (i guess #hope doesn't exist) 19:55 :P 19:55 not...yet 19:55 ask lderan if you want him to implement it 19:55 I'd never stop - probably not a good idea 19:55 actually, i'd also like to ask those of you who test trusty already to use the shimmer-daily PPA 19:56 ochosi, can you be in touch with elfy on that and send a mail to -devel together? 19:56 please check if everything is fine with using only our icon-theme without gnome-icon-theme 19:56 #info ochosi wants "those of you who test trusty already to use the shimmer-daily PPA" 19:56 https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily 19:56 ty guys, you're much better at #this than me :> 19:57 :) 19:57 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 19:57 * elfy would like to know what's the status of whiskermenu in our plans 19:57 #info testing should focus on Gnome3/Gtk3 apps (e.g. evince), checking whether the theming is fine and whether all icons are there 19:57 oops :) 19:57 go ahead. 19:57 and menulibre 19:58 o/ 19:58 hey skellat 19:58 #action elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre 19:58 * meetingology elfy to chase bluesabre re menulibre 19:58 elfy: we had this vote last time, not sure what we voted on specifically... 19:58 I'm comfortable with us going with whiskermenu. 19:58 but i'm afraid it involves work for me 19:59 i think i have to do a panel-layout proposal, iirc 19:59 ochosi, haha, good assessment 19:59 ochosi: well I read the logs that diodn't make much sense to me last week 19:59 :) 19:59 workfor_ochosi != sense 19:59 elfy, waiting for ochosi to propose a new panel layout with whiskermenu. 19:59 i'll try to get around to it asap 19:59 thanks 19:59 I'm just a bit like a cat on a hot roof about these things we keep saying are going to happen and it's half way through december already 20:00 did anyone try panel-switch? (or whatever i named it) 20:00 elfy, things are progressing... slowly but steadily ;) 20:00 if any of you want to propose a panel-layout, feel free to go ahead or get in touch with me 20:00 if you ask me to set up testing for new things in March I'll be saying No 20:00 ali1234, not yet. can you send an email to the list? 20:00 or did you? 20:00 elfy, yeah, not happening that. 20:00 panel-switch works fine, as far as i tested it. really nice stuff! 20:01 i didn't, no 20:01 micahg-work, when do you plan landing xfce 4.11 stuff? 20:01 ochosi: did you see the guy in #xfce-dev today? who said he's working on "activites for xfce" 20:01 * knome kicks bluesabre in the back and tells him to get his stuff ready ASAP 20:01 elfy: Would it be possible to put out an e-mail on getting the indicators SRU verified? 20:01 ali1234: i did, but i was kinda busy so i didn't chime in 20:01 maybe we can just get him to make it :) 20:01 #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at 20:01 * meetingology elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at 20:02 knome, aye im up for to be asked to do stuff :P 20:02 ali1234: that would be nice, i just hope he won't overpower it 20:02 lderan, i was mostly kidding ;) 20:02 #action - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details 20:02 * meetingology - team with new apps to be tested to contact elfy with details 20:02 i never thought about it in this way before, but it's really not such a terrible idea 20:02 knome, :P 20:02 i have no idea how to make it though, so i'll just stick with the plan 20:02 knome, how's the testing going with that stuff, we could probably land it in the next week or so if the testing has been positive 20:03 elfy, some time when we've moved, probably after christmas, i'll do a good evaluation of where we are with all stuff 20:03 skellat: I don't see why not - where are the details/info for it? not seen a mail from any list about that SRU at present 20:03 knome: k 20:03 ochosi, have you sent instructions to the list about testing the 4.11 components? 20:03 knome: should i have? i didn't see an #action for that and don't recall i signed up for it (or got it assigned) 20:04 testing 4.11 currently means building nearly everything 20:04 what kind of instructions other than "add Xfce4.12 PPA" did you want? 20:04 hrm 20:04 I'd -1 whiskermenu, at least for th{e,is} LTS. 20:04 ali1234, we're just doing a few components 20:04 ali1234: nah, quite a lot is in the xfce4.12 PPA 20:04 Unit193: why's that? 20:05 ochosi, any works, as long as it allows people to test that stuff 20:05 did I miss a meeting? 20:05 micahg-work: not that I know of 20:05 I thought we were just pulling in a few components 20:05 micahg-work: can you copy the existing packages for trusty? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/ 20:06 yeah, i think we are 20:06 micahg-work, yes, we are :) 20:06 micahg-work, still sticking with what we decided on the meeting back then 20:06 ochosi, yeah, give me a minute 20:06 libxfce4ui, xfdesktop, xfce4-settings (we already have that in 13.10) and possibly xfwm4 20:07 only libxfce4ui, xfdesktop and xfwm4 will be newer versions than in 13.10 really 20:07 (we need libxfce4ui anyway for the panel+gtk3indicators) 20:08 so to summarize: gtk3-indicator-stuff (panel, indicator-plugin, libxfce4ui) and xfdesktop is what we accepted afaik 20:08 xfwm4 is still up for discussion 20:08 has anybody looked into getting xfce4 power manager? 20:08 +to work 20:08 not really, afaik 20:09 i guessed so. does anybody want to start looking at that? 20:09 nick was considering to drop it 20:09 aha 20:09 (just saying) 20:09 then we need to look for an alternative 20:09 replace it with a simple settings dialog for systemd and other upower settings 20:09 ideas? 20:09 I thought we had an alternative for the power manager, can't remember offhand what it was 20:09 i don't think we really do 20:09 i mean we can use the indicator-power 20:10 but that only shows the battery status 20:10 should look for the logs for the meeting where that was discussed 20:10 there were several ideas at least, if not considerable alternatives 20:10 ochosi, do the saucy packages work on trusty with no rebuild>? 20:10 micahg-work: i would hope so, but tbh i haven't tried 20:11 ochosi, can we get someone to try that first (or I can just rebuild them a bit later) 20:11 elfy: ^ ? 20:11 micahg-work: sorry, i don't have a 14.04VM yet.. 20:11 skellat: sorry - I see the sound ind SRU stuff now 20:11 ochosi micahg-work - I'm about all day tomorrow - I can look at whatever needs looking at 20:12 ok nice 20:12 ochosi: Did you want him to look at xfwm too? :P 20:12 micahg-work: then just copy it for now, elfy can test it tomorrow and if it doesn't work you can rebuild after tomorrow? 20:12 sure, in theory it should work (and it's marked experimental anyways) 20:13 Unit193: well kinda, but i think we need a release of that anyway... we can't just ship a snapshot 20:13 ochosi: Of course not. 20:13 ochosi, You missed the new xfce4-settings (4.11.1), which is ready for upload in debian, but needs libxfce4ui 4.11 20:13 Unit193: but true, wanna #info your PPA for it? 20:13 copy done, waiting publishing 20:13 we only have 4.11.0 20:14 ochosi micahg-work - someone write down in word of one syllable what you want/need me to do - I'm still suffering with this trapped nerve and pain killers 20:14 Noskcaj: i mentioned it, but i thought it's pretty much the same version we have in 13.10 20:14 Noskcaj: well, point being: we already ship a 4.11 version of that, but not of xfdesktop 20:14 ok 20:15 elfy, try the xfce 4.12 PPA on trusty and see if the apps/DE works 20:15 simple as that? 20:15 yup 20:15 ideally use it for a while or so 20:15 see - confused - I thought you were talking about indicators 20:15 but basically it should either work or not work 20:16 no, these are just the other xfce4.11 components 20:16 no, we need to get moving on the indicator stuff as well though 20:16 indeed 20:16 ochosi: oh - if that's the case I'll check it in VM then assuming that all seems ok I'll install it to this install I used daily 20:16 Noskcaj has uploaded it all to one PPA 20:16 someone point me to the right ppa then :) 20:16 elfy: great! and don't forget to ping micahg-work about it (optionally me as well) 20:16 yep 20:16 elfy: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12/ 20:17 k 20:17 micahg-work: all the indicator-stuff is in Noskcaj's PPA now 20:17 and https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3 for indicators 20:17 yup, that ^ :) 20:17 good timing, Noskcaj 20:17 ochosi: I'll know quite early tomorrow if it's gone completely wrong - I'll put it in here for longer term 20:17 elfy: sounds good 20:18 Noskcaj: thanks - got that 20:18 brb 20:18 It's all upload-able, but there are excess build-deps in the xfce4-indicator-plugin package 20:19 I'd like some people to test the indicator stack, if it's good, I'll get it uploaded to trusty 20:19 I tried it in saucy, dumped it to go back to gtk2 ones. 20:20 not a good sign 20:20 at least now we don't need it in saucy thanks to ali1234's fix 20:20 yep 20:21 There weren't any major problems, just the known panel appearance not taking and the icons were bigger and more seperated in my theme, thus I gained nothing and lost a couple things. 20:21 if the people who have set up PPA's and such would send emails to -devel for call for testing, everything would be easier 20:21 I've had the indicator stuff for a week now and it's worked fine 20:22 and i could run some tests with my little time i can dedicate to such things 20:22 I think that testing the indicators is important at this stage - so as many as we can get 20:23 the theming problems Unit193 describes don't exist with our themes 20:23 but: we need the current git versions of our themes for that 20:24 so whoever tests indicators at the moment, also use the shimmer PPA please 20:24 i mean the shimmer daily PPA (the one that was mentioned before) 20:24 ochosi: Icon size doesn't still? I think that one was hardcoded? 20:24 #info ochosi said "so whoever tests indicators at the moment, also use the shimmer daily PPA please" 20:25 Unit193: well if you have them smaller than 22px at the moment, then yes. right now (and the same is true for ubuntu) their fixed size with 22px 20:25 sounds like we got moving with this impromptu section ;) 20:25 let's do this more often 20:25 :) 20:25 indeed 20:25 :) 20:25 anything else on anybody's mind? 20:25 nope 20:26 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 20:26 any reason not to have a meeting next week at the same time? 20:26 +1 to that 20:26 +1 20:26 wfm 20:26 goodie 20:26 #info Next meeting Thu 19 Dec at 19UTC 20:26 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)