== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 05 Dec at 19:00 — 19:33 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-12-05-19.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 19:01. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (19:01) * ''ACTION:'' knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 19:02. * ochosi is testing getting rid of gnome-icon-theme in 14.04 to reduce overhead * Everyone can test that by using the shimmer daily PPA (bluesabre put up trusty packages today) * skellat is satisfied with testing whiskermenu via no-change backport to 12.04 and is willing to vote on a proposal to make it default * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily * skellat has made no-change backport versions available in ppa:skellat/tests for those willing to try whiskermenu who are not yet on trusty * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~skellat/+archive/tests * ali1234 made a tool to easily change panel layouts: https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch/ * command line only at the moment, but it does the job. needs someone to design a gui * ''ACTION:'' knome to create a wikipage for panel layout switcher === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 19:13. === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 19:14. * '''Fixing the Gtk2 sound indicator in Saucy, in a way that can be SRU'd (ali1234)''' (19:15) * ''ACTION:'' skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * ''ACTION:'' micahg-work to SRU indicator-sound-GTK2 * ''ACTION:'' team to review indicator-sound-GTK2 progress next week and send an update to the mailing list * '''Schedule next meeting''' (19:33) * Next meeting Thursday Dec 12, 19UTC == Vote results == == Action items == * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome to create a wikipage for panel layout switcher * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * micahg-work to SRU indicator-sound-GTK2 * team to review indicator-sound-GTK2 progress next week and send an update to the mailing list == Action items, by person == * ali1234 * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * knome * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome to create a wikipage for panel layout switcher * micahg-work * micahg-work to SRU indicator-sound-GTK2 * skellat * skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 * team * team to review indicator-sound-GTK2 progress next week and send an update to the mailing list == People present (lines said) == * knome (68) * ali1234 (31) * ochosi (15) * skellat (14) * micahg-work (13) * meetingology (11) * elfy (4) * jjfrv8-work (3) * Noskcaj (3) * slickymaster (2) * Unit193 (2) * ubottu (1) * pleia2 (1) * team (0) == Full Log == 19:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 19:00 Meeting started Thu Dec 5 19:00:05 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:00 19:00 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:00 who's here for the meeting (or otherwise hanging out?) 19:00 !team | Meeting time! 19:00 Meeting time!: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, micahg, mr_pouit, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, Unit193 19:00 o/ 19:00 o/ 19:00 o/ 19:00 o/ 19:01 #topic Items carried on 19:01 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 19:01 #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 19:01 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 19:01 TBD 19:01 #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 19:01 * meetingology micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 19:01 micahg, ? 19:02 micahg, "#action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation" 19:02 o/ 19:02 o/ 19:02 micahg-work, is that done, or shall we carry on? 19:02 WRT 14.04, python 2.7 is staying in main, so we're good 19:02 okay, i guess if we're good, then that's a good thing ;) 19:02 #undo 19:02 Removing item from minutes: 19:02 #topic Team updates 19:03 Team, please use #info and #action as appropriate. 19:03 o/ 19:03 ochosi, updates? 19:04 #info ochosi is testing getting rid of gnome-icon-theme in 14.04 to reduce overhead 19:04 that's ++ 19:04 #info Everyone can test that by using the shimmer daily PPA (bluesabre put up trusty packages today) 19:04 #info skellat is satisfied with testing whiskermenu via no-change backport to 12.04 and is willing to vote on a proposal to make it default 19:04 https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/daily 19:05 thanks knome 19:05 gottcode, the author of whiskermenu is also here, if you have questions 19:06 #info skellat has made no-change backport versions available in ppa:skellat/tests for those willing to try whiskermenu who are not yet on trusty 19:06 we can either 1) vote if we want to make whiskermenu default and then reconsider further actions or 2) build up a full proposal of the new panel layout (which is ought to change), including how whiskermenu is integrated, and vote on that as a whole 19:06 https://launchpad.net/~skellat/+archive/tests 19:07 i'm preferring 2) 19:07 hm, quick question, who of you has tried whiskermenu so far? 19:07 o/ 19:07 not yet, but but.. i've seen screenshots! 19:07 o/ in Precise 19:07 i've tried it briefly. it's not something i would use. 19:08 (and so i can't really comment on whether it's good or bad) 19:08 I tried it and prefer it, but try to stick to the default desktop so i'm not using it now 19:08 since i don't use menus, i don't know how i would "test" whiskermenu in a daily environment.. 19:08 ali1234: well you know the difference between the standard menu and whiskermenu feature-wise 19:08 I haven't tried, but like knome I saw screenshots 19:08 ochosi: I've used it a bit and fin dit fine 19:08 It's my default now 19:08 knome: you can bind it to a shortcut and use it instead of appfinder to launch apps 19:08 I didn't try it because it didn't look like something I would prefer, I'll try it at some point. 19:08 i know the difference as well, and i generally have no exceptions to include it 19:08 ok 19:09 ochosi, i don't use appfinder either ... :) 19:09 well we need to decide whether our users would find it useful then 19:09 ultimately, even if we included whiskermenu in the default panel layout, people can get the normal menu back 19:09 Nor do I, except to function as xfrun. 19:09 well fine, despite this not being a formal voting process, i got some feedback, i think i can do the panel-proposal 19:09 not on whether we do - especially if some of us don't use menus at all 19:09 :-) 19:10 and with the possible patch/app done by ali1234, we might be able to make panel layout editing easier 19:10 ali1234, can you #info the progress on that? 19:10 yup, that's very true 19:10 because i think we want that documented... 19:10 #info ali1234 made a tool to easily change panel layouts: https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch/ 19:11 sorry - can't sit here - have fun 19:11 #info command line only at the moment, but it does the job. needs someone to design a gui 19:12 ali1234: wanna set up a page in the xubuntu wiki for that? 19:12 i think that's a cool idea. 19:12 not really, but if you create it, i'll fill in the details 19:12 i can create that 19:12 #action knome to create a wikipage for panel layout switcher 19:12 * meetingology knome to create a wikipage for panel layout switcher 19:12 just remind me after the meeting and i'll get that item done right now 19:13 other updates? 19:13 I'm ready for the agenda item 19:13 I hope ali1234 is too 19:13 heh, sure 19:13 let's move forward 19:13 #topic Announcements 19:13 anybody have any? 19:14 okay. 19:14 #topic New and emerging items 19:14 Maybe that whiskermenu 1.2.2 is out, will be in ubuntu some time this week. parole 0.5.4 is also out, once again will be uploaded soon 19:15 yeah, new versions will be landing in trusty for a long time to go 19:15 #subtopic Fixing the Gtk2 sound indicator in Saucy, in a way that can be SRU'd (ali1234) 19:15 If I may speak first to this sound indicator issue 19:15 go ahead 19:16 We already have at least one user, Richard Elkins, actually advocating on our -devel mailing list that users switch away to Mint. The bug comments have been getting a bit out of hand with people complaining that this is "a simple fix" yet not putting forward patches or debdiffs. 19:16 I'm very thankful for the work ali1234 has done. 19:16 And I defer to him to explain it at this time. 19:17 ok... so first let me explain why it is broken 19:17 the indicator is in two parts: the bit that draws the menu, and the dbus backend that communicates between the menu and pulseaudio, music players etc 19:18 the indicator obviously cmes in gtk2 and gtk3 versions. they both come with a backend service, which is launched on dbus activation. both versions of the backend have the same dbus name, so what happens in practice is you always get the gtk3 version of the backend 19:18 this working in raring, but the backend was completely rewritten in saucy, so this no longer works 19:19 the "simple fix" posted on the bug comments isn't really a fix at all: it will break many things 19:19 so i finally got annoyed enough to look into fixing it properly, and it turned out to be very easy 19:19 ok, how do we get this in? :> 19:20 all that is required is to change the dbus name so that the gtk2 indicator asks for a different dbus name, ie "com.canonical.indicator.sound-gtk2" instead of "com.canonical.indicator.sound" 19:20 this turns out to be a 4 line patch 19:20 does that fix the issue for xubuntu, but doesn't break the same thing for other flavors? 19:20 i had initially thought this wouldn't work, because music players wouldn't know to use the different dbus name, but it turns out for some reason this is not an issue and it works fine 19:20 knome: i guess we need to do a debdiff or something and then get a sponsor to SRU it? 19:21 this fixes the problem for anyone using the gtk2 indicator still, and does not affect any other flavours at all 19:21 ali1234: Would a suitable sponsor be available to navigate this through the SRU process? 19:21 i don't see why not 19:21 i have a debdiff, and a ppa with the fixed package 19:21 that's the the social requirements 19:21 skellat, want to run through those with ali1234? 19:22 skellat, (and then the sponsorship queue) 19:22 if it's that small, I can certainly sponsor it 19:22 ok, cool 19:22 well 4 lines? :> 19:22 that's huge ;) 19:22 s/if// ;) 19:22 I like 4 line patches :) 19:22 i'm not sure whether to do it through a MR against "gtk2 indicators" 19:23 it needs fixing in trusty and saucy 19:23 don't you need 2 MRs though? 19:23 micahg-work: yes, but only because i had to change the packaging as well as the code 19:23 ali1234, except that we're looking to handle the issue differently in trusty (gtk3 indicators support) 19:23 and they are done in different repos i think... but i can't figure out how this stuff is managed 19:23 well, doesn't the service name need to change as well? 19:23 knome: if the gtk2 indicator will still be in the repos, then i want it to work, even if we don't use it 19:24 ali1234, sure, fix approved ;) 19:24 micahg-work: the service and indicator are all in the same package 19:24 ah, ok 19:24 let me show you the debdiff... 19:24 micahg-work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6526233/ 19:25 so basically it changes the service name in both halves of the indicator, and then adjusts the packaging so that the service file is included (normally it isn't because it would conflict with the gtk3 one, as they would have the same name) 19:27 ok 19:27 I can do this Sat night (can't do it right now as I need to compare some stuff and it'll take a bit more than just a test build) 19:28 micahg-work, do you need the formal SRU progress followed by that, or will you just handle it? 19:28 that comment in debian/rules should probably also go, since it's no longer true 19:28 ali1234, lines 30-32 of the paste need a space in the pattch 19:28 this is why i'd rather do a MR against a upstream repo :) 19:28 knome, if someone can fill in the paperwork for the bug, that would help, I can upload to trusty/saucy once I verify the packaging piece 19:28 micahg-work, cheers 19:29 skellat, since you are familiar with both the issue and the SRU process, would you be willing to help ali1234 file the paperwork? 19:29 ali1234, that's fine, but all this should be going away in trusty anyways, right? 19:29 knome: Yes 19:29 skellat, thanks! 19:29 micahg-work: maybe for xubuntu but i think lubuntu still uses it? 19:29 skellat, just assign the saucy (if it exists) + default tasks to me 19:29 #action skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:29 * meetingology skellat and ali1234 to look at the SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 19:30 i mean theoretically the gtk2 indicators should have gone away a long time ago 19:30 (it might already be assigned to me) 19:30 #action micahg-work to SRU indicator-sound-GTK2 19:30 * meetingology micahg-work to SRU indicator-sound-GTK2 19:30 do we need to go through something else about this? 19:31 Just note that we need to review progress next week as well as somebody pinging the bug thread on -devel with an update. 19:32 #action team to review indicator-sound-GTK2 progress next week and send an update to the mailing list 19:32 * meetingology team to review indicator-sound-GTK2 progress next week and send an update to the mailing list 19:32 #nick team 19:32 is there other items that we should go through, or should we schedule the next meeting and then wrap this one? 19:33 pleia2, you still slept the meeting! 19:33 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 19:33 #info Next meeting Dec 12, 19UTC 19:33 #undo 19:33 Removing item from minutes: 19:33 #info Next meeting Thursday Dec 12, 19UTC 19:33 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)