== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 28 Nov at 16:00 — 16:45 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-28-16.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 16:01. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (16:01) * ''ACTION:'' knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * ''ACTION:'' micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * ''ACTION:'' micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * Done, whiskermenu is in the archive for trusty. * '''Strategy Document reviewing''' (16:04) * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-November/009413.html * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes * ''Vote:'' Approve proposed Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1); members of -team can vote (Carried) * motion not carried. one more week to review. * '''Something about wallpapers''' (16:19) * The wallpaper contest has been running for a short while, but we already have quite a few accepted submissions: * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Accepted * ''ACTION:'' knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again * '''Strategy Document reviewing''' (16:26) * ''Vote:'' Approve the proposed changes to the Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1, please argument) (Carried) === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 16:31. * ochosi and knome have been working with the wallpaper contest * knome and Unit193 have been looking at docs translations * whiskermenu is backported for P, Q, R, and S in ppa:skellat/tests for those who wish to try it * pleia2 completed triaging website bugs this week * elfy has been working with organizing QA for the T cycle * whiskermenu is backported in the Xfce 4.10 PPA * pleia2 put out a call for VM-based tests to determine our actual minimum requirements * Xfce 4.10 PPA backport was done by mr_pouit * you can translate the docs at: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs (note that several changes and additions are going to land later this cycle) * Out of vUDS-1311, we may have the opportunity to ask local communities to "adopt a package" for work or testing during this cycle. LoCo Council hasn't fully set this up yet, though. * after discussion with ochosi, we dropped light-locker and added xfdesktop to the documentation blueprint === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 16:39. * '''There is a new Launchpad team ~xubuntu-qa''' (16:40) * this team has currently only a social meaning, being the subteam from which people who contributed to QA can ultimately be approved to -team (per the SD) * if you think you should be a member in this (moderated) team, poke elfy. === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 16:41. * '''Meeting time reviewing''' (16:41) * '''Schedule next meeting''' (16:45) * Next meeting: Thu 5 Nov, 19UTC == Vote results == * Approve the proposed changes to the Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1, please argument) * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/0/1) * Approve proposed Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1); members of -team can vote * Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 3/1/3) == Action items == * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again == Action items, by person == * knome * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again * micahg * micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * pleia2 * knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again == People present (lines said) == * knome (104) * meetingology (32) * ochosi (23) * micahg (22) * GridCube (19) * skellat (18) * pleia2 (15) * jjfrv8 (7) * ali1234 (1) * lderan (1) * brainwash (1) == Full Log == 16:00 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 16:00 Meeting started Thu Nov 28 16:00:37 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 16:00 16:00 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 16:00 pop up your hand up if you're around 16:00 o/ 16:00 o/ 16:01 o/ 16:01 o/ 16:01 o/ 16:01 cool :) 16:01 ochosi, GridCube, brainwash: hullo 16:01 #topic Items carried on 16:01 o/ 16:01 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 16:01 #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 16:01 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 16:02 TBD 16:02 #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 16:02 * meetingology micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 16:02 micahg, status? :) 16:02 oops 16:02 heh, np 16:02 I think I forgot 16:03 let's carry that on then 16:03 o/ 16:03 #action micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs 16:03 * meetingology micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs 16:03 micahg, ? 16:03 (sorry, that was a late popping up of the hand) 16:03 or was that done by mr_pouit 16:03 whiskermenu is in archive for trusty 16:03 #info Done, whiskermenu is in the archive for trusty. 16:04 #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing 16:04 4.10 PPA times out for me 16:04 lp ftw 16:04 I've got whiskermenu backported in ppa:skellat/tests 16:04 o/ 16:04 And am playing with it on 12.04.3 at the moment 16:04 I could upload whiskermenu right now if someone tells me which releases and if it's the 4.12 PPA 16:04 skellat: there should also be an official PPA by the whiskermenu dev 16:04 have people had time to look at the new strategy document? 16:05 ochosi, micahg: can you get to that after the meeting or in PM; thanks for taking care though :) 16:05 i have read it before and i don't have anything to say against it 16:05 knome, I have, but it was a while ago. I'm okay with it. 16:05 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-November/009413.html 16:05 that's the link to the mail that links the new branch 16:06 I have not had a chance to review it 16:06 sent on nov 5 16:06 micahg, basically: 16:06 (and others:) 16:06 1) only allow members of ~xubuntu-team to vote for the new XPL 16:06 2) strip out the process descriptions, move to wiki/Xubuntu/Processes (done already) 16:06 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes 16:07 pleia2 can confirm i'm not tricking you, she worked with the later update with me 16:07 indeed 16:07 knome didn't want to be xpl forever, so we left that part out 16:07 i'm also fine with it 16:08 yes, as i said, i've read it, i don't see why its needed or relevant, but im ok with the changes 16:08 we are much shorter now, and i hope the SD can be much more useful this way for daily development 16:08 let's vote. 16:08 I don't want to get any shorter :P 16:09 #vote Approve proposed Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1); members of -team can vote 16:09 Please vote on: Approve proposed Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1); members of -team can vote 16:09 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:09 +1 16:09 +1 received from ochosi 16:09 +0 16:09 +0 received from knome 16:09 +1 16:09 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:09 +0 16:09 +0 received from GridCube 16:09 +1 16:09 +1 received from pleia2 16:09 -1 16:09 -1 received from skellat 16:09 skellat, can you argument? 16:09 +1 16:09 +1 received from micahg 16:10 We need to loosen up unsuitable packages a little considering the amount of stuff Ubuntu mainline is producing in Python 16:10 Which is an interpreted language 16:10 skellat, as we've discussed, we should do that review later after these changes are up 16:10 Okay 16:10 what we're voting is "are the changes okay", not "is this the perfect SD" 16:11 i would imagine there is always room for improvement 16:11 My vote won't change the outcome anyhow :-) 16:11 mrh 16:11 just wanted to ask for arguments 16:11 +0 16:11 +0 received from micahg 16:11 micahg, ? 16:11 what, so everyone's now +0-ing because their vote doesn't matter? :D 16:11 I had the idea of voting on something I haven't read...I'm not a member of Congress... 16:11 s/had/hate/ 16:12 seriously, 16:12 you have had 23 days to review the changes 16:12 ochosi: Nah, there are already enough positive votes that one negative by me won't block it 16:12 strategy documents are boring :) 16:12 ^ 16:12 * ochosi goes to the closet, gets the big elephant whip and hands it to knome 16:13 skellat: i know, i was just kidding ;) 16:13 I think I've worked at least 150 hours in the past 23 days... 16:13 i can allow for one more week if micah promises he will get to read the document by that time. 16:13 micahg: hugs 16:13 micahg, i understand, and i'm sorry, but ultimately we need to keep things rolling. the XPL-voting change has been pending for months 16:13 micahg: ouch, i hope at least your bankaccount reflects that! :> 16:14 #endvote 16:14 Voting ended on: Approve proposed Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1); members of -team can vote 16:14 Votes for:3 Votes against:1 Abstentions:3 16:14 Motion carried 16:14 ochosi: unfortunately not... 16:14 knome: We'll need to ask lderan to add an "abandonvote" function eventually to meetingology 16:14 #info motion not carried. one more week to review. 16:14 knome: you have enuogh votes without me here 16:14 skellat: shall add it :) 16:15 lderan, or just make #undo work on votes 16:15 not if we want -team quorum. 16:15 give me a couple minutes and I can diff/read 16:15 okay 16:15 both versions are in the branch 16:15 thanks micahg 16:15 and i'll make sure i word the vote better 16:16 knome: if you restate your vote, it's an effective #undo 16:17 micahg, we're talking about undoing a whole vote, not a single persons 16:17 oh, haha 16:18 ok folks, i'm out of the door with one foot 16:18 knome: mind if i say something to the wallpapers and then run off? 16:19 #subtopic Something about wallpapers 16:19 :) 16:20 #info The wallpaper contest has been running for a short while, but we already have quite a few accepted submissions: 16:20 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Accepted 16:20 while i think it's enough to already call it a success, i'd like to encourage everyone in the team to point to the call for wallpapers again 16:20 and also encourage artists whose artwork you personally like to contribute 16:20 so, all the social-media mumbo-jumbo etc. 16:21 #action knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again 16:21 * meetingology knome and pleia2 to give the wallpaper contest some publicity in social media again 16:21 righty, thanks 16:22 gotta take off, will read the rest when i'm back 16:22 ochosi, one sec 16:22 ochosi, would your vote be +1 for the SD? 16:22 just double-checking. 16:22 i already voted on that 16:22 so yeah, still +1 16:22 bbl 16:23 thanks ochosi 16:25 knome: next! 16:26 just a sec 16:26 #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing 16:26 #vote Approve the proposed changes to the Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1, please argument) 16:26 Please vote on: Approve the proposed changes to the Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1, please argument) 16:26 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:27 better wording, eh? 16:27 +1 16:27 +1 received from pleia2 16:27 +1 16:27 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:27 +1 16:27 +1 received from GridCube 16:27 +1 since we can address the Python-based mainline stuff question at a later time 16:27 +1 since we can address the Python-based mainline stuff question at a later time received from skellat 16:27 +0, want to give the community a word on changes. 16:27 +0, want to give the community a word on changes. received from knome 16:27 there is one more +1 from ochosi 16:28 * GridCube is ok with the changes just doesnt understand why they are so important 16:28 GridCube: I think making it shorter is important so people actually read it 16:28 well, yes, that is true 16:28 GridCube: and re: XPL - currently votes come from a completely open team, very few of whom have insight into team workings, this is very odd 16:29 ultimately the SD should be a guide in day-to-day development of xubuntu 16:29 +1 16:29 +1 received from micahg 16:29 unless we have a clear idea where we are going, or can't refer to those rules, we're running around like headless chicken and it's really hard for new contributors to jump in and grasp what we are steering our development by 16:30 #endvote 16:30 Voting ended on: Approve the proposed changes to the Strategy Document (+1) or not (-1, please argument) 16:30 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 16:30 Motion carried 16:30 hooray!! 16:30 6 is quorum, 5-0-1 is approved 16:30 I see, i see, yes, those where the reasons why im OK with the changes, i just fail to see how the old SD is inflecting something on us, even if they have voice, they never choose to make it notice 16:30 :) 16:31 #topic Team updates 16:31 but anyway, :) 16:31 #info ochosi and knome have been working with the wallpaper contest 16:31 #info knome and Unit193 have been looking at docs translations 16:31 #info whiskermenu is backported for P, Q, R, and S in ppa:skellat/tests for those who wish to try it 16:31 can docs be translated trhough launchpad? 16:31 #info pleia2 completed triaging website bugs this week 16:31 #info elfy has been working with organizing QA for the T cycle 16:32 GridCube, yes. 16:32 #info whiskermenu is backported in the Xfce 4.10 PPA 16:32 #info pleia2 put out a call for VM-based tests to determine our actual minimum requirements 16:32 #info Xfce 4.10 PPA backport was done by mr_pouit 16:33 #info you can translate the docs at: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs (note that several changes and additions are going to land later this cycle) 16:33 #info Out of vUDS-1311, we may have the opportunity to ask local communities to "adopt a package" for work or testing during this cycle. LoCo Council hasn't fully set this up yet, though. 16:34 skellat, will you follow up on that? 16:34 knome: In what way? 16:34 telling us when that's set up. 16:34 :) 16:34 knome: Yes 16:34 ta 16:35 more updates? 16:35 whats the status of mugshot? 16:35 bluesabre, ? 16:35 bluesabre, also tell us about menulibre if you're around 16:37 #info after discussion with ochosi, we dropped light-locker and added xfdesktop to the documentation blueprint 16:37 so no lightdm locking? 16:38 i would imagine the goals are still as planned 16:38 GridCube: No need to write it up in documentation 16:38 no, it just doesn't need documentation 16:39 and we shouldn't use such technical names in the docs anyway 16:39 #topic Announcements 16:40 #subtopic There is a new Launchpad team ~xubuntu-qa 16:40 #info this team has currently only a social meaning, being the subteam from which people who contributed to QA can ultimately be approved to -team (per the SD) 16:41 #info if you think you should be a member in this (moderated) team, poke elfy. 16:41 #topic New and emerging items 16:41 #subtopic Meeting time reviewing 16:41 so, 16:42 several people told me in the last days this time isn't best for them 16:42 neither it is for me 16:42 i'm proposing 18UTC or 19UTC as the new time. 16:42 still on thursdays 16:42 is this horrible for some? 16:42 np for me 16:43 what utc is now? 16:43 I *may* have an issue coming up that will prevent meeting attendance in general but I'm not allowed to talk about it in a logged channel 16:43 1643 16:43 im traveling at that hours to my home 16:44 from 18UTC to 20UTC? 16:44 but im not esential on the developing process so go ahead 16:44 i mean, i'm proposing either 18-19 or 19-20 UTC 16:44 basically, i have 1.5hs of traveling every day 16:44 (even 20-21 UTC works) 16:44 (for me) 16:44 I'm at work for all of that, so that's fine 16:45 knome, dont bend the hours for me tho, again, i contribute very little to the developing process 16:45 ok, let's try 19UTC next week. 16:45 #subtopic Schedule next week 16:45 bah... 16:45 #undo 16:45 Removing item from minutes: 16:45 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 16:45 #info Next meeting: Thu 5 Nov, 19UTC 16:45 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)