== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 14 Nov at 15:55 — 17:06 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-11-14-15.55.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 15:56. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (15:56) * ''ACTION:'' knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * ''ACTION:'' micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * ''ACTION:'' micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * '''Approve or decline specifications on the Roadmap''' (15:57) * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap * ''ACTION:'' knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items * development (read: new feature drop-in) items have been approved already * ''Vote:'' approve knome's voting mechanism? (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Increase the amount of developers/uploaders (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage (Carried) * ''Vote:'' *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? (Carried) * since the voting wasn't all-clear, the team should follow on the progress and proposal by ochosi, but basically approved if it's a sane proposal * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu * ''Vote:'' Community wallpapers package (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) (Carried) * ''Vote:'' Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion (Denied) * ''Vote:'' Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer (Denied) * ''Vote:'' (Do we want to:) See/ask if we can apply GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu ? (Carried) * ''ACTION:'' knome to tweak the roadmap after the meeting * '''Strategy Document reviewing''' (16:26) * postpone === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 16:26. * Ubuntu Developer Summit will run November 19-21, agenda at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/ * ''ACTION:'' team to see the uds schedule and see if they want to participate in sessions * Community: Elizabeth and Elfy are elected as members of the Community Council * '''Development: screen-locking update for 14.04''' (16:29) * version 1.1.0 of light-locker features time-based locking * ochosi also patched lightdm-gtk-greeter to blank the screen when light-locker locks the session * for people who want to test this: use the daily PPAs of light-locker and lightdm-gtk-greeter * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~light-locker/+archive/daily * everyone - please give enough time to plan testing * ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/daily * after upgrading these two components, the screen will automatically be locked after the timeout set in X11 (can be controlled via "xset s $timeout") * if you need help or run into problems, feel free to ping ochosi * uninstall xscreensaver in case you want to test this === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 16:34. * Noskcaj has been helping to whip catfish into shape, cleaning up the packaging, the code, and even adding a manpage * knome and Unit193 have been looking at translating the docs * File a bug against xubuntu-docs to suggest documentation enhancements for the Trusty Tahr cycle * QA is mostly planned for the cycle - should be plenty of room for manoeuvre for new things * ochosi and bluesabre have been working on upgrading parole, new plugin coming soon for mpris :) * QA mailings have started * and hopefully fixed packaging for parole's plugins :) * QA blogs waiting for the website * ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 16:38. * '''QA mailings''' (16:38) * ''ACTION:'' team to be more responsive on mails on -devel * '''Review minimum system requirements''' (16:46) * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/rationales/new_ram * ''ACTION:'' team to set "recommended system resources" in stone * ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-website to update website with "recommended system resources" * Unit193 is hiding * ''ACTION:'' Unit193 to stop hiding * '''xubuntu-core discussion''' (16:54) * ''ACTION:'' team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta * ''ACTION:'' knome to look into the docs SRU problem == Vote results == * Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer * Motion denied (For/Against/Abstained 1/4/3) * Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 8/0/0) * Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion * Motion denied (For/Against/Abstained 0/1/7) * Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 6/0/2) * *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 5/1/2) * (Do we want to:) See/ask if we can apply GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu ? * Deadlock (For/Against/Abstained 4/0/4) * Community wallpapers package * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 8/0/0) * Increase the amount of developers/uploaders * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 8/0/0) * approve knome's voting mechanism? * Motion carried (For/Against/Abstained 6/0/0) == Action items == * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items * knome to tweak the roadmap after the meeting * team to see the uds schedule and see if they want to participate in sessions * xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org * team to be more responsive on mails on -devel * team to set "recommended system resources" in stone * xubuntu-website to update website with "recommended system resources" * Unit193 to stop hiding * team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta * knome to look into the docs SRU problem == Action items, by person == * knome * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items * knome to tweak the roadmap after the meeting * xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org * knome to look into the docs SRU problem * micahg * micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation * micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs * team * team to see the uds schedule and see if they want to participate in sessions * team to be more responsive on mails on -devel * team to set "recommended system resources" in stone * team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta * Unit193 * Unit193 to stop hiding * team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta * xubuntu-website * xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org * xubuntu-website to update website with "recommended system resources" == People present (lines said) == * knome (219) * meetingology (140) * ochosi (73) * elfy (49) * GridCube (41) * bluesabre (34) * skellat (30) * pleia2 (17) * Unit193 (12) * jjfrv8 (12) * ali1234 (2) * ted__ (2) * ubottu (2) * slickymaster (2) * team (0) * mr_pouit (0) * micahg (0) * xubuntu-website (0) == Full Log == 15:55 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 15:55 Meeting started Thu Nov 14 15:55:56 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:55 15:55 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:56 pleia2: unless you have concerns, i'd publish the blog-article by the end of the meeting 15:56 let's go through some of this bureaucracy now... 15:56 like 15 :) 15:56 pleia2: (knome and me went over it today) 15:56 #topic Items carried on 15:56 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 15:56 ochosi: that's good, I just logged into browse real quick 15:56 #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 15:56 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 15:56 WIP 15:56 #action micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 15:56 * meetingology micahg to talk to barry about python2.7/3 situation 15:56 #nick micahg 15:56 #action micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs 15:56 * meetingology micahg to upload whiskermenu to xfce PPAs 15:57 ochosi announced the wallpaper project 15:57 done 15:57 indeed 15:57 #subtopic Approve or decline specifications on the Roadmap 15:57 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap 15:57 some of the devel-related items have been approved last sun 15:58 #action knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items 15:58 * meetingology knome will create the blueprints today and contact assignees on filling in work items 15:58 nice 15:58 #info development (read: new feature drop-in) items have been approved already 15:58 i have an idea to save time 15:59 let's vote on every item quickly first: 15:59 +1 is approve, -1 is decline, +0 is "i want to discuss" 15:59 if there is most "abstain" (+0) votes, we'll discuss 15:59 sounds good for everybody? 15:59 good job I came back then 15:59 ok 15:59 sounds good 15:59 +1 15:59 :) 15:59 yup 16:00 elfy, well i wasn't going to start the votes before :00 16:00 micahg, are you around? 16:00 but I'm +1 to doing that 16:00 Good thing I was already logged in so that I caught the early start 16:00 skellat, hello! :) 16:00 skellat, heh, again, just did the bureaucracy 16:01 #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu 16:01 Current voters: GridCube bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu 16:01 #undo 16:01 huh? :) 16:01 oh, heh 16:01 #undo 16:01 Removing item from minutes: 16:01 hmm no... 16:01 knome: We don't want ubottu voting 16:02 #info development (read: new feature drop-in) items have been approved already 16:02 #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat Unit193 16:02 Current voters: GridCube Unit193 bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu 16:02 i dont think he will vote skellat 16:02 who knows... :) 16:02 don't know how to remove a voter... 16:02 :-) 16:02 Lets roll with it then 16:02 anywa, let's go 16:02 #vote approve knome's voting mechanism? 16:02 Please vote on: approve knome's voting mechanism? 16:02 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from knome 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from elfy 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from pleia2 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from bluesabre 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:02 +1 16:02 +1 received from ochosi 16:03 vote ubottu vote! 16:03 that's enough +1's 16:03 #endvote 16:03 Voting ended on: approve knome's voting mechanism? 16:03 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:03 Motion carried 16:03 #voters bluesabre elfy GridCube jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat Unit193 16:03 Current voters: GridCube Unit193 bluesabre elfy jjfrv8 knome micahg mr_pouit ochosi pleia2 skellat ubottu 16:03 ah, that sticks 16:03 good! 16:03 #vote Increase the amount of developers/uploaders 16:03 Please vote on: Increase the amount of developers/uploaders 16:03 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from knome 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from skellat 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from elfy 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from ochosi 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from bluesabre 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from pleia2 16:03 +1 16:03 +1 received from GridCube 16:04 (namely, bluesabre, skellat, ochosi, Noskcaj...) 16:04 #endvote 16:04 Voting ended on: Increase the amount of developers/uploaders 16:04 Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:04 Motion carried 16:04 #vote Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage 16:04 Please vote on: Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage 16:04 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from knome 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from ochosi 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from elfy 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from bluesabre 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from pleia2 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from skellat 16:04 +1 16:04 +1 received from GridCube 16:04 #endvote 16:04 Voting ended on: Create a new installable "xubuntu-core" metapackage 16:04 Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:04 Motion carried 16:05 #vote *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? 16:05 Please vote on: *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? 16:05 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:05 * knome kicks meetingology 16:05 +0 16:05 +0 received from knome 16:05 +1 16:05 +1 received from ochosi 16:05 +1 16:05 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:05 +1 16:05 +1 received from bluesabre 16:05 +1 16:05 +1 received from elfy 16:05 +0 16:05 +0 received from pleia2 16:05 -1 16:05 -1 received from skellat 16:06 +1 16:06 +1 received from GridCube 16:06 include == set as default? 16:06 i guess i should have been more verbose 16:06 i presumed so 16:06 i guess that's a yes, otherwise that wording didn't make sense 16:07 yeah, it'll probably end up in the archive anyway 16:07 #endvote 16:07 Voting ended on: *INCLUDE* xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin? 16:07 Votes for:5 Votes against:1 Abstentions:2 16:07 Motion carried 16:07 do we need to create rationales for this? 16:07 #info since the voting wasn't all-clear, the team should follow on the progress and proposal by ochosi, but basically approved if it's a sane proposal 16:08 i expect some rationale in the proposal, yeah 16:08 i've asked for a specific proposal from ochosi already 16:08 well the proposal is there already 16:08 alright 16:08 As long as we don't look like openSUSE we 16:08 will be fine 16:08 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu 16:08 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Whiskermenu 16:09 skellat, urls will be linkified automatically 16:09 Okay 16:09 (or at least they used to do that) 16:09 ochosi: can you talk to me when you've time for testing that 16:10 ochosi, you're not proposing how to integrate it into the xubuntu deskop, and what you'd like to drop from the default desktop (eg. how you'd like to change the panel layout) 16:10 elfy: sure 16:10 ochosi, that's pretty much the only reason why i'm not unconditionally +1 16:10 anyway, forward! 16:10 knome: well it does say "advantages over current menu" 16:11 but well, i can include more info there 16:11 didn't have too much time before 16:11 i'm skipping the "investigate" and "see if we can" -items 16:11 those are relatively minor anyway 16:11 #vote Community wallpapers package 16:11 Please vote on: Community wallpapers package 16:11 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:11 +1 16:11 +1 received from knome 16:11 +1 16:11 +1 received from skellat 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from GridCube 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from bluesabre 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from ochosi 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from pleia2 16:12 +1 16:12 +1 received from elfy 16:12 thats the 8 of us 16:12 :) 16:12 good 16:12 #endvote 16:12 Voting ended on: Community wallpapers package 16:12 Votes for:8 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 16:12 Motion carried 16:13 #vote Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) 16:13 Please vote on: Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) 16:13 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:13 +1 16:13 +1 received from knome 16:13 +1 16:13 +1 received from pleia2 16:13 +1 16:13 +1 received from jjfrv8 16:13 +1 16:13 +1 received from skellat 16:13 +0 16:13 +0 received from elfy 16:13 +1, maybe we can find a place to easily track that? 16:13 +1, maybe we can find a place to easily track that? received from bluesabre 16:13 bluesabre: I assumed we'd put them on the monthly team report 16:14 +1 16:14 +1 received from GridCube 16:14 bluesabre, i've been talking with lderan about some fixes/extends to meetingology to be able gather those with #done's or so... 16:14 * bluesabre doesn't know about any of our reports :) 16:14 +0 16:14 +0 received from ochosi 16:14 bluesabre, there isn't such things as "reports" currently :P 16:14 and by weekly i meant 16:14 bluesabre: See, for example: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/TeamReports/ 16:14 monthly reports and weekly reports to -release :) 16:14 yeah, so "improve" as in: start to write them 16:14 but yeah, +1'd with weekly, so... 16:14 aha 16:15 ochosi, they are basically "written" 16:15 just not sent/gathered anywhere 16:15 #endvote 16:15 and no reporting with -release-specific things is done 16:15 #endvote 16:15 Voting ended on: Improve reporting (weekly reports) (voting +1 means you're committed to work gathering the reports as well!) 16:15 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 16:15 Motion carried 16:15 my +0 is based on the fact that no-one bothers to even reply to mails from me 16:16 so I wonder if anyone will do this 16:16 elfy, let's talk about that after votes 16:16 because i +1 that discussion :P 16:16 elfy: I appreciate your emails :) 16:16 * pleia2 sometimes even tweets them herself! 16:16 lol - I assume everyone does, but thanks 16:16 looking if there is something to vote one 16:16 let's do the voting 16:16 *on 16:17 #vote Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion 16:17 Please vote on: Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion 16:17 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:17 +0 16:17 +0 received from knome 16:17 ? 16:17 frankly, i have no clue what does should do 16:17 -1 after reading discussion earlier today in xfce-dev where this seems to be an open issue upstream 16:17 -1 after reading discussion earlier today in xfce-dev where this seems to be an open issue upstream received from skellat 16:17 that's an item in the roadmap 16:17 i have no idea of what it is 16:17 +0 16:17 +0 received from GridCube 16:18 +0 16:18 +0 received from jjfrv8 16:18 +0 16:18 +0 received from bluesabre 16:18 i don't know what those are either 16:18 +0 16:18 +0 received from ochosi 16:18 +0 16:18 +0 received from pleia2 16:18 +0 16:18 +0 received from elfy 16:18 ok, i'll quickly check... 16:18 oh right 16:18 i'm just giving it a chance if everybody else was "hell yeah let's put those on the ISO" 16:18 i remember 16:18 #endvote 16:18 Voting ended on: Investigate xfce4-power-manager-plugins for inclusion 16:18 Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:7 16:18 Motion denied 16:18 (postponed, at least until somebody sheds light into it) 16:18 it has a plugin to add brightness controls to the panel 16:19 #vote Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer 16:19 Please vote on: Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer 16:19 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:19 -1 16:19 -1 received from knome 16:19 +1 16:19 +1 received from GridCube 16:19 +0 16:19 +0 received from skellat 16:19 +0 16:19 +0 received from jjfrv8 16:19 +0 16:19 +0 received from pleia2 16:19 (i don't think xubuntu needs an equalizer, but feel free to prove me wrong) 16:19 -1 16:19 -1 received from bluesabre 16:19 same here 16:19 -1 16:19 -1 received from elfy 16:19 +0 16:19 +0 received from ochosi 16:20 also, 16:20 (last time i checked it wasn't very stable) 16:20 GridCube, i'll handle your item on the RAM after the roadmap-voting, because it's a one-off decision rather than putting our time into it 16:20 import PyQt4 16:20 (but i generally wouldn't mind) 16:20 that is not gtk :) 16:20 oki 16:20 knome, ok 16:20 -1 16:20 -1 received from skellat 16:20 #endvote 16:20 Voting ended on: Investigate qpaeq a system wide pulseaudio equalizer 16:20 Votes for:1 Votes against:4 Abstentions:3 16:20 Motion denied 16:20 skellat, stealth! 16:20 18:20 knome: #endvote 16:20 18:20 skellat: -1 16:20 lol 16:20 boo :( oh well 16:20 I saw bluesabre mention Qt4 at the last minute 16:21 That's a major blocker! 16:21 :) 16:21 true 16:21 true 16:21 let's see... 16:21 wont argue against that 16:21 though I could always do the port, but no :) 16:21 #vote (Do we want to:) See/ask if we can apply GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu ? 16:21 Please vote on: (Do we want to:) See/ask if we can apply GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu ? 16:21 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 16:21 -1 breaks UEFI compatability 16:21 -1 breaks UEFI compatability received from skellat 16:21 +1 16:21 +1 received from ochosi 16:21 +1 16:21 +1 received from pleia2 16:21 +0 16:21 +0 received from knome 16:21 +0 16:21 +0 received from jjfrv8 16:21 skellat, well obviously we would see if we could work around that 16:22 skellat: really? could you quickly elaborate? 16:22 +1 16:22 +1 received from GridCube 16:22 +0 16:22 +0 received from bluesabre 16:22 ochosi, studio and kubuntu had != ubuntu, and they had broken images for UEFI 16:22 ochosi: Kubuntu had an open bug with 13.10 about that matter that they had to fix 16:22 ochosi, some hardcoded string stuff i think 16:22 +0 16:22 +0 received from elfy 16:22 well if other distros have the same issue, i'd say we can fix it together 16:22 skellat: or do you generally dislike the idea? 16:22 unless it's and UEFI-UEFI bug/"feature" 16:23 *a 16:23 couldn't we postpone that for more information? 16:23 bug 1242417 16:23 bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Saucy) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 16:23 elfy, we shall do that :) 16:23 i mean the whole vote is only about "whether we want to ask/investigate about it" 16:23 ochosi: yeah 16:23 oh 16:23 then +1 16:23 if you want to change votes... you can do it 16:23 +1 16:23 +1 received from elfy 16:23 don't see much reason against that tbh, unless ppl think it's a waste of time 16:23 :) 16:24 ochosi: Unless LP Bug 1242417 can be fixed soon, we have other things to worry about 16:24 bug 1242417 16:24 bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Saucy) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 16:24 it is terribly annoying on laptops where I multi-boot to change grub myself ;) 16:24 skellat, are you generally against it (-1) or not (+1), or want to know more about it generally (not about when bugs are fixed, +0)? 16:24 oh that one, not too observant, am I? 16:24 * pleia2 departs 16:24 cya 16:24 pleia2, have fun! 16:24 bye 16:25 +0 16:25 +0 received from skellat 16:25 #endvote 16:25 Voting ended on: (Do we want to:) See/ask if we can apply GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu ? 16:25 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:4 16:25 Motion carried 16:25 have fun pleia2! 16:25 let's investigate investigating more. 16:25 i think the rest are not really specification stuff 16:25 look more like one-off decisions 16:25 so, 16:26 #action knome to tweak the roadmap after the meeting 16:26 * meetingology knome to tweak the roadmap after the meeting 16:26 #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing 16:26 #info postpone 16:26 #topic Announcements 16:27 #info Ubuntu Developer Summit will run November 19-21, agenda at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/ 16:27 #action team to see the uds schedule and see if they want to participate in sessions 16:27 * meetingology team to see the uds schedule and see if they want to participate in sessions 16:27 #nick team 16:27 #info Community: Elizabeth and Elfy are elected as members of the Community Council 16:28 CONGRATS! 16:28 Congratulations! 16:28 +1 16:28 +1 16:28 :D 16:28 way to go! 16:28 The March of Xubuntu Through The Institutions! 16:28 thanks :) 16:28 alias TMXTI 16:29 #subtopic Development: screen-locking update for 14.04 16:29 ochosi? 16:29 yup, thanks for the reminder 16:29 well it was on the agenda! :) 16:29 sorry for being late guys 16:29 i've worked with peter to improve light-locker feature-wise so it'll be a real replacement for xscreensaver 16:29 skellat, no problem :) 16:29 \o/ 16:29 awesome 16:29 slickymaster, ^ 16:30 #info version 1.1.0 of light-locker features time-based locking 16:30 brb door 16:30 oh, i forgot to say hi. 16:30 hey ted__, welcome! 16:30 hi, eveyone. 16:30 :) hi 16:30 #info ochosi also patched lightdm-gtk-greeter to blank the screen when light-locker locks the session 16:30 ted__: hi, welcome 16:31 so that basically means what we'll have in 14.04 is light-locker, which blanks the screen after the timeout set by X11's screensaver extension (that's installed anyway) 16:31 hopefully we can provide some simple UI to control that 16:31 back 16:31 or even better: integrate it into the power-manager UI 16:31 ochosi, let elfy know what kind of testing you need for it 16:31 #info for people who want to test this: use the daily PPAs of light-locker and lightdm-gtk-greeter 16:32 https://launchpad.net/~light-locker/+archive/daily 16:32 #info everyone - please give enough time to plan testing 16:32 https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/+archive/daily 16:32 ochosi, that's "how", also remember to tell "what" :) 16:33 #info after upgrading these two components, the screen will automatically be locked after the timeout set in X11 (can be controlled via "xset s $timeout") 16:33 #info if you need help or run into problems, feel free to ping ochosi 16:33 (be sure to remove xscreensaver first) 16:33 #info uninstall xscreensaver in case you want to test this 16:33 thanks bluesabre, might've forgotten to mention that :) 16:34 ok, cool 16:34 knome: ok, that's it 16:34 #topic Team updates 16:34 questions? 16:34 ok 16:34 :) 16:34 (please use #info and #action) 16:34 (direct questions at ochosi after the meeting) 16:35 no team updates? 16:35 yay. 16:35 #info Noskcaj has been helping to whip catfish into shape, cleaning up the packaging, the code, and even adding a manpage 16:35 not really, i mean artwork is gradually improving, but that's always the case :) 16:35 #info knome and Unit193 have been looking at translating the docs 16:35 #info File a bug against xubuntu-docs to suggest documentation enhancements for the Trusty Tahr cycle 16:36 #info QA is mostly planned for the cycle - should be plenty of room for manoeuvre for new things 16:36 #info ochosi and bluesabre have been working on upgrading parole, new plugin coming soon for mpris :) 16:36 bluesabre: let's hope 0.6 can go into 14.04 (looking at you, libxfce4ui...) 16:36 #info QA mailings have started 16:36 #info and hopefully fixed packaging for parole's plugins :) 16:36 #info QA blogs waiting for the website 16:37 #action knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org 16:37 * meetingology knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org 16:37 #undo 16:37 Removing item from minutes: 16:37 #nick xubuntu-website 16:37 #action xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org 16:37 * meetingology xubuntu-website and knome to look at the QA articles drafted in xubuntu.org 16:38 #topic New and emerging items 16:38 #subtopic QA mailings 16:38 elfy, so, you've send mails about ISO/package testing 16:38 yep 16:38 elfy, what kind of replies did you expect to get? 16:39 none to those :) 16:39 okay 16:39 (good) 16:39 * skellat has to go as dog ran away 16:39 the "what to test" -replies have been penging on today's voting (we should've done that last week) 16:39 the ones about planning though specifically asked for team to comment, 16:39 yea I guess 16:40 i'm sorry if i haven't replied to some of the planning mails; everything i've seen has been good :) 16:40 * bluesabre will try to improve his responsiveness with responding to the ML 16:40 i hope to get more organized once i get the blueprints and work items se tout 16:40 *set ou 16:40 *set out 16:40 :| 16:41 knome: even if the 'what to test' was pending - the general parts of the mail could have been commented on 16:41 #action team to be more responsive on mails on -devel 16:41 * meetingology team to be more responsive on mails on -devel 16:42 for me it has looked like everybody has been really busy though :/ 16:42 me included 16:42 yea - I understand that, I am as well 16:43 i will be in touch with all people individually on blueprints/efforts they are leading to set up the blueprints and work items 16:43 ok 16:43 if you have any doubts or worries, tell me about those when i get to you :) 16:43 and i will try to reflect on that in any way that might help 16:44 elfy, and again, i'm sorry if i haven't replied to something; i've noticed a reminder-mail works wonders, even on mailing lists; don't be afraid to send such :) 16:45 I'm not blaming anyone :) 16:45 * skellat has retrieved and disciplined dog 16:46 #subtopic Review minimum system requirements 16:46 GridCube, poke 16:46 alright 16:46 i made a simple rationale if you could read it 16:46 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/rationales/new_ram 16:46 read it 16:46 me too 16:46 my first thoughts: 16:46 i agree that a browser is an integral part of operating system 16:47 but isn't it silly to set the system requirements based on what its usage needs? 16:47 i don't believe so. 16:47 also, thats just an example, other areas also lag very much on low ram settings 16:47 by that reasoning xubuntu ram requirement should be like 256MB still 16:47 if a user is able to run several other applications (like abiword+gnumeric) well with 512MB, isn't it a fair thing that minimum required is 512 16:48 yes, they could, but it should not be the minimum recommended 16:48 my thinking is we should set our's using the same rationale for setting it as other's do - or we'll end up looking like we need more than Ubuntu 16:48 i think this discussion revolves more about what "minimum requirement" means to us... 16:48 minimum should be whatever is required to boot the live cd 16:48 yeah, i somewhat agree with bluesabre on that one 16:48 everything else can go to swap once installed :) 16:48 you *can* use xubuntu with 512MB 16:48 ppl can always launch crazy huge slow java apps 16:49 yes, you can. that is true. but as i propose it the "recommended to have a pleasant experience" 16:49 or do heavy graphics editing with GIMP 16:49 (which is installed by default) 16:49 you can use the apps, if you have patience 16:50 * knome checks the wording on the website 16:50 how about a minimum and a better guide for 'this is more pleasant' type thing 16:50 ok, the website says 16:50 "Minimum system requirements" 16:50 in addition, we could have "Recommended system resources" 16:51 yes :) 16:51 for that, 1GB sounds like a good fit 16:51 I'd go for that 16:51 i agree 16:51 #action team to set "recommended system resources" in stone 16:51 * meetingology team to set "recommended system resources" in stone 16:51 haha 16:52 #action xubuntu-website to update website with "recommended system resources" 16:52 * meetingology xubuntu-website to update website with "recommended system resources" 16:52 GridCube, well, we need to consider disk space as well 16:52 GridCube, would you like to send an email on that to the ML? 16:52 sure 16:52 I promise to reply to it ;) 16:52 GridCube, just a quick one would do, to gather comments and then vote on the next meeting 16:52 P: 16:52 alright 16:52 (and if no comments have been sent... then just vote) 16:53 #nick Unit193 16:53 #info Unit193 is hiding 16:53 #action Unit193 to stop hiding 16:53 * meetingology Unit193 to stop hiding 16:53 Nothin' to say. 16:53 lol 16:53 well what about the -core thingy? 16:53 then use #lurk, right? 16:54 bluesabre, that's for the bot 16:54 bluesabre, ...oh wait, Unit193 is a bot 16:54 :| 16:54 see! 16:54 Unit193, want to discuss that already? 16:54 ochosi, i was trying to test it earlier today, but it was broken but he just PM'd me he fixed it. 16:54 I wanted coffee, but fine. 16:54 #subtopic xubuntu-core discussion 16:54 knome: Should be fixed for amd64, but let me try it. 16:56 Unit193, works noe 16:56 *now too 16:56 gets 94.6MB, installed size 290MB 16:56 (with --no-install-recommends) 16:56 Heh, sorry 'bout that. That was elfy's problem too, then. 16:56 installing 16:57 so what'd be the total iso size for xubuntu-core? 16:58 iso size? 16:58 Alright, so it's made to be installed via apt-get install --no-install-recommends, though could be done with tasksel which would then bring in recommends of the meta without (or hopefully without) all the crazy extras. 16:58 I know a couple of forum people that would be interested in testing it, if and when it's needed. 16:58 Unit193, what's pending to get it to tasksel? 16:58 knome: well i know that we kinda ruled out a separate iso for -core for 14.04, but in general it'd be interesting to know 16:59 knome: Well, another review of the seed and the recommends, it can't be tested without actually being merged though. 16:59 or: complete installed size 16:59 Right now a merge proposal would probably be needed against the seed to add the separate seed file 16:59 Unit193, oki 16:59 skellat, ack 16:59 I'd like to try and keep things in deps, so it can be installed either way. 17:00 Unit193, since the team showed green light to it... can we progress with that stuff? :) 17:00 But, you could put the fonts (liberation) in recommends and/or indicators too. 17:00 knome: I suppose? 17:00 ok, cool 17:01 #action team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta 17:01 * meetingology team to work with Unit193 to progress with the -core meta 17:01 more subjects to discuss? 17:02 skellat, what are the next steps on the SRU docs problem? 17:02 #action knome to look into the docs SRU problem 17:02 * meetingology knome to look into the docs SRU problem 17:02 will the gtk3 indicators issue be fixed for 14.04? 17:02 looks like what ochosi said is true 17:02 GridCube: it's on the roadmap 17:02 GridCube, that's the plan 17:02 alright 17:02 i can't remember anything else now 17:03 ok folks, gotta take off, feel free to ping me if there are any more questions 17:03 elfy: ah right, you wanted to talk something over before? 17:04 ochosi: it can wait - no hurry 17:04 well not much of a hurry anyway :) 17:04 what did you want to know, thoguh? 17:04 though 17:04 Unit193, we will need different menu/panel stuff for -core 17:05 knome: Oh? 17:05 ochosi: was just - what things will you want testing, what install info is there - if I have that then I can push the testing 17:05 knome: can't it use the stuff from the xfce session? 17:05 knome: Ah, you mean the missing icons, not really a huge deal to me. 17:05 ochosi: the ppa links earlier 17:05 elfy: well for light-locker i think i mentioned most 17:05 ok 17:05 Unit193, that, and the apps menu is a bit off (two separators on top of each other) 17:05 knome: USC. 17:06 Unit193, i know 17:06 elfy: if you have more questions there, lemme know 17:06 elfy: in fact, light-locker is easy to use, but it doesn't autostart until you restarted your session 17:06 okay, so 17:06 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)