== Meeting information == * #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting, 12 Sep at 15:02 — 15:43 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-09-12-15.02.log.html]] == Meeting summary == === Items carried on === The discussion about "Items carried on" started at 15:03. * '''Open action items from previous meeting''' (15:03) * ''ACTION:'' knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * ''ACTION:'' mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later * ''ACTION:'' skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so * '''Strategy Document reviewing''' (15:04) * ''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009312.html * '''Ideas for using the project money''' (15:05) * ''IDEA:'' live-usb sticks with xubuntu on it (either as a give-away, or even for some very cheap price that's about what the usb stick would cost) (ochosi, 15:06) * ''IDEA:'' order some trial tshirts from international vendors (pleia2, 15:08) * ''ACTION:'' knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt === Team updates === The discussion about "Team updates" started at 15:31. * Xubuntu restricted extras to not carry chromium codecs (Ubuntu just added it to theirs) * review of saucy docs is about 80% complete. * the desktop of the week team has been in touch with some desktop screenshotters for the licenses that where missing, we are starting to get some responses but not so fast as we would wish * ''ACTION:'' micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch === Announcements === The discussion about "Announcements" started at 15:35. * micahg unavailable Sep 19-21 and 26-28 * Jack Fromm (jjrfv8) is the new Xubuntu Documentation lead. Congratulations! === New and emerging items === The discussion about "New and emerging items" started at 15:38. * '''Schedule next meeting''' (15:39) * Next Xubuntu community meeting: Tuesday, September 17 at 15UTC == Vote results == == Action items == * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later * skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so * knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt * micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch == Action items, by person == * knome * knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week * knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt * mr_pouit * mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later * ochosi * micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch * skellat * skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so == People present (lines said) == * knome (111) * micahg-work (25) * pleia2 (25) * ochosi (17) * GridCube (11) * lderan (10) * meetingology (8) * smartboyhw (8) * jjfrv8 (5) * mr_pouit (0) * skellat (0) == Full Log == 15:02 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 15:02 Meeting started Thu Sep 12 15:02:31 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:02 15:02 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:03 so who's here for the meeting? 15:03 me 15:03 o/ 15:03 o/ 15:03 #topic Items carried on 15:03 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 15:03 #action knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 15:03 * meetingology knome to prepare the website for the desktop of the week 15:03 #action mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later 15:03 * meetingology mr_pouit uploads the new artwork package later 15:04 #nick mr_pouit 15:04 #action skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so 15:04 * meetingology skellat to prepare blog article discussing updating & upgrading for users and why it is okay to do so 15:04 #nick skellat 15:04 #subtopic Strategy Document reviewing 15:04 o/ 15:04 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-August/009312.html 15:05 jack sent me some grammar and clarity fixes 15:05 hrm, sorry, I forgot to review that 15:05 but the content itself hasn't changed since last meeting 15:05 I still need to review as well 15:05 okay, let's postpone until next meeting. 15:05 #subtopic Ideas for using the project money 15:06 more swag 15:06 #idea live-usb sticks with xubuntu on it (either as a give-away, or even for some very cheap price that's about what the usb stick would cost) 15:07 this is somewhat irrelevant, but there was an idea that unixstickers.com could "hold" our free material, and contributors who have talks in events could "order" those when needed with special code or sth 15:07 also sounds nice 15:07 usb sticks would be cool 15:07 aye 15:07 ooh, ochosi's idea is good, no profit... 15:07 what micahg-work and ochosi are proposing sound like new marketing projects we should undertake, not exactly "using the money" 15:08 well, the money is seed money for the marketing project :) 15:08 but it's self-renewing 15:08 basically we would like to just set up the swag for our users to order them 15:08 knome: well the money would be needed for starting it up 15:08 #idea order some trial tshirts from international vendors 15:08 micahg-work: +1 15:08 not really, if vendors are doing that, like unixstickers.com 15:08 pleia2, +1 for that 15:08 the situation with t-shirts is that we still haven't found a good vendor 15:09 ubuntu studio used spreadshirt.net 15:09 or uses 15:09 can we use the one that Studio is using? 15:09 pleia2, did you get to order something from them yet? 15:09 who would the tshirts be for? 15:09 micahg-work, practically we can use anything, we aren't just sure if price/quality is par with our expectations 15:09 ochosi, contributors 15:09 ochosi, but the main idea would be to check the quality 15:09 as in: ourselves? :) 15:10 pleia2 has been ordering shirts with her own money for now 15:10 yep, us 15:10 xubuntu-team 15:10 knome, we could do t-shirts for -team members at cost to again keep the money from depleting... 15:10 another requirement in addition to quality is reasonable shipping prices 15:11 micahg-work, not sure i follow. 15:11 or reuse it for multiple ventures 15:11 i'm not saying we should just dump it all to something 15:11 AIUI, we're only prohibited from profiting, that doesn't mean that we can't use it as seed money over and over again 15:11 knome: remind me, how much is it again? 15:11 usb sticks are nice, and sure, we need to do a trial order even if we use a vendor 15:12 we have about 250 euros 15:12 hm, nice 15:12 I've only used zazzle so far 15:12 also, if we do find a marketing thing we like, there is still the flavors pool of money we can make requests against: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/ 15:12 Speaking of T-shirts: You can only purchase it from USA, Canada, Europe or Japan if you use Spreadshirt 15:13 Which is why I have to via xequenc to get one 15:13 So, not a good idea for you guys. 15:13 smartboyhw: thanks, good to know 15:13 (to use Spreadshirt) 15:13 yes, that was one of the problems with spreadshirt 15:14 micahg-work, sure, but "seed money" for me sounds like "new marketing projects" 15:14 and? 15:14 because ultimately, we don't want to run the merch business ourself 15:14 we just want to set up xubuntu-branded merch on other vendors 15:14 \o 15:15 it becomes more of an endowment rather than a gift to spend 15:15 micahg-work, i don't think we should user 250 euros to usb sticks to sell them away 15:15 micahg-work, i think we should rather work with a vendor to get it right (tm) and allow people to order from the vendor directly 15:16 knome, sure, that works too 15:16 aye that makes sense to me 15:16 so if we want usb sticks... sure, but we don't need to use a lot of money to create them 15:16 but doesn't that usually require some initial investment to "get it right" 15:16 yeah 15:16 unless the vendor is willing to work with us on it 15:16 but sure 15:16 order from a couple places to check on quality 15:17 but there's no way getting the initial investment back 15:17 if we spend it, we spend it 15:17 if something is not right and even if we used 15 euros for it, i don't want to sell that to our users 15:17 because it isn't right 15:17 yeah, we'll just keep them ourselves 15:17 that's why i'm +1'ing ordering t-shirts 15:18 we've run that project already, and we need some more of that initial investment 15:18 we can always give stuff that isn't right for free 15:18 * lderan will accept reject xubuntu usb sticks / t-shirts 15:18 ochosi, sure, but money-wise, that's the same as keeping it 15:18 we have to start somewhere 15:18 pleia2: +1 15:18 i would be +1 for the t-shirts 15:19 that's possible the best merch 15:19 let's start there then 15:19 people need clothes, they want to promote xubuntu 15:19 i wonder if there would ever be a new USD thats not virtual, if thats the case i would vote to keep the money to help whoever goes to one of those 15:19 -> they order a t-shirt 15:19 GridCube, 250 euros isn't too much to spend on that 15:19 no, sure, but it would help 15:19 GridCube, say it's in the states, and i needed to travel there 15:19 how much money would be needed for t-shirts that go from a vendor anyway? 15:19 GridCube, the flights would be something multiple times that money already 15:20 ochosi: custom shirt + shipping is around $30 15:20 sure, but it will help 15:20 (less once you get to bulk) 15:20 right, but how much would it cost for us to set it up? 15:20 in any case i dont think theres any usd thats in real person soon, or ever 15:20 GridCube, i think it's more sensible to use that money to various different things, if that helps us getting the t-shirts to a shippable state etc. 15:20 i understand 15:20 how many t-shirts would we order in order to test that the merch is "good" ? 15:21 ochosi, one, if the quality is good 15:21 ochosi, so far, there have been clear defects 15:21 so we won't order again from the same vendor because there is a risk one of our users get a defect shirt as well 15:22 so the answer is: we don't know 15:22 sounds like an investment into t-shirt market-research 15:22 so we should decide upon a style of shirt to order, then pick a few vendors to order some from 15:22 until somebody does it right. 15:22 can we find the vendor Canonical uses for their shirts? 15:22 logo on black is really hard to do right, so I'm inclined to go with a white or blue shirt as the base 15:22 don't know how black/blue would be much different 15:22 light blue ;) 15:22 it's easy to get it right if you want to get it right 15:23 the problem with online vendors is that they are doing it cheap 15:23 that's why it can be wrong time to time 15:23 aye that they can be 15:23 i agree with micahg-work, let's just use canonical's vendor 15:23 yeah, not much color balancing for a dark background, so the logo ends up looking even darker 15:24 ochosi, Canonical probably orders several thousand, so it might not be possible, but at least worth looking into 15:24 ochosi: afaik you need to have a bulk agreement with them 15:25 this discussion leads me thinking we should just do a white t-shirt first 15:25 most vendors are supposed to get that right 15:25 so basically: 15:25 find a vendor with reasonable (shipping) prices and good coverage on shipping destinations 15:25 then order one t-shirt 15:25 and if it's good, make it official 15:25 then look into other colors. 15:25 maybe. 15:25 yep 15:26 that way we'll use about $30 15:26 investigting and googling is free of charge 15:26 (for now) 15:26 i've never bought any, but i've heard that topatoco products are rather nice 15:27 #action knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt 15:27 * meetingology knome to see designing a white-bg t-shirt 15:27 sorry folks, i gotta run 15:27 and anyone with vendor ideas, please add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects#T-shirts 15:27 :) bye 15:27 by ochosi 15:27 i'll be back a bit after the meeting, i'll read the backlog and reply later 15:28 bye* 15:28 anything else on the topic? 15:28 i'd encourage people to discuss this on the mailing list 15:28 You guys have a contract with canonical right? 15:29 feels a waste of time to meet every 2 weeks on a meeting and babble 30 mins about merch ;) 15:29 smartboyhw, what contract would you be referring to? 15:29 knome, I remembered that ttoine (our person who made the shop happen) spent 2 months working out a deal between Canonical and Spreadsheet or something 15:29 Best to ask him, but the legalese must be sorted out 15:30 we've asked canonical if it's okay to do this on the legal sense. 15:30 we're not making profit on this, it's all promotional material so within our trademark rights (we asked) 15:31 anyway, 15:31 #topic Team updates 15:31 anything? (please #info and #action, and do it quickly :P) 15:32 #info Xubuntu restricted extras to not carry chromium codecs (Ubuntu just added it to theirs) 15:32 cool 15:32 (or that's how you perceive it, but i think it's cool) 15:32 #info review of saucy docs is about 80% complete. 15:32 #info the desktop of the week team has been in touch with some desktop screenshotters for the licenses that where missing, we are starting to get some responses but not so fast as we would wish 15:32 #action micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch 15:32 * meetingology micahg to review ochosi's gmb patch 15:33 micahg-work, when's the last date you can upload new stuff before going away? 15:33 we need an upload for the artwork package when the new wallpaper is ready 15:34 (trivial, but needs to be done) 15:34 would wednesday 18 work for you? 15:34 having it by this weekend would be nice, I think the beta freeze might be moving, so next weekend might be viable as well 15:34 no, if it's quick I can do it night of the 17th 15:34 i'll see if i can get it done by weekend 15:35 #topic Announcements 15:35 #info micahg unavailable Sep 19-21 and 26-28 15:35 #info Jack Fromm (jjrfv8) is the new Xubuntu Documentation lead. Congratulations! 15:35 \o/ 15:35 \o/ 15:35 congrats! 15:36 * jjfrv8 blushes 15:36 \o/ 15:36 \o/ 15:36 :D 15:38 #topic New and emerging items 15:39 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 15:39 do we want a meeting next week? (UIF, B2F, DocF) 15:40 i might have a problem making next thursday 15:40 might be good to nail down issues that need to be fixed before beta 2 15:40 * micahg-work won't be around either though 15:40 micahg-work, yeah, though that's the b2 freeze day. 15:40 * pleia2 out of town too 15:40 would wednesday or tuesday be more suitable? 15:41 either for me 15:41 that'd leave us some actual time to fix the issues before the freeze 15:41 and not a meeting with lots of "we're too late" 15:41 tuesday would be better as I won't be able to do much Wed 15:42 everybody else fineish with tue? 15:42 I'm gone all week, but you don't need me for b2 stuff :) 15:42 nope, only the release announcement stuff you'll prepare this week 15:42 * knome hides 15:42 lol 15:42 no, we're fin 15:42 e 15:42 i'll be able to do tuesday :P 15:42 #info Next Xubuntu community meeting: Tuesday, September 17 at 15UTC 15:43 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)