#title #xubuntu-devel: Three nights of Xubuntu: Night 3 Meeting started by knome at 20:04:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-05-16-20.04.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Blog article about "Three Nights of Xubuntu" knome, skellat and pleia2 have put up an article about the two Xubuntu sessions to be posted on xubuntu.org (knome, 20:06:30) knome will move it to xubuntu.org today for reviewing (knome, 20:07:40) *Xubuntu team members *Strategy Document reviewing ''ACTION:'' [knome] Rewrite the XPL voting part in the SD for the team to review and vote on: TODO (knome, 20:16:55) *UDS Day 3 Community Roundtable's Discussion Assessing vUDS Structure skellat was present in capacity as a LoCo leader. (SEE ALSO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dF-5Ba4ApgA) (skellat, 20:18:49) Discussion ensued among those present as to the hours and nature of the meetings. (skellat, 20:18:55) Laura Czajkowski raised the issue of seemingly fewer women attending. (skellat, 20:19:02) Randall Ross asked that weekend hours be considered to better accommodate potential participants. (skellat, 20:19:08) skellat noted that Xubuntu was holding a parallel set of meeting hours to accommodate divergent available hours as well as to include members across Asia and the Pacific. (skellat, 20:19:14) At this time Jono's group is reviewing how the second virtual UDS has run and we may or may not see further changes by the next anticipated sessions in August 2013. Time zone shifting was discussed as a possibility to better accommodate Asia/Pacific and Eastern Europe. (skellat, 20:19:25) ''IDEA:'' It is recommended that we consider our actions during the May 2013 UDS timeframe and assess how we might utilize our current experience in holding further computer-mediated team sessions during the Saucy Salamander cycle. (skellat, 20:19:32) ''ACTION:'' [knome] Set up meeting schedule (IRC and Hangout meetings with vUDS in mind) and send to ML: TODO (knome, 20:32:57) ''IDEA:'' Consider retention policy for hangouts on YouTube compared to the retention policy for IRC logs? (skellat, 20:34:59) *LSC ''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-software-center-team/light-software-center/trunk (Unit193, 21:29:18) ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/synaptic/+changelog little info here at least. (Unit193, 21:37:21) Meeting ended at 21:40:59 UTC. == Votes == * YouTube videos of Hangouts: Keep forever (+1) or not (-1) (only those who had a camera can vote) For: 3 Against: 5 Abstained: 0 * Shall the Nights of Xubuntu videos be allowed to archived by a member of the Community Council outside of remaining on YouTube? For: 4 Against: 0 Abstained: 2 * Keep videos of Hangouts up for a limited time (+1) or delete directly after the session has ended (-1)? Everbody can vote. For: 3 Against: 2 Abstained: 1 * Should we keep the 3NoX session recordings up for the Saucy cycle (+1) or delete them instantly (-1) ? For: 3 Against: 1 Abstained: 3 == Action items == * [knome] Rewrite the XPL voting part in the SD for the team to review and vote on: TODO * [knome] Set up meeting schedule (IRC and Hangout meetings with vUDS in mind) and send to ML: TODO == Action items, by person == * knome ** [knome] Rewrite the XPL voting part in the SD for the team to review and vote on: TODO ** [knome] Set up meeting schedule (IRC and Hangout meetings with vUDS in mind) and send to ML: TODO == People present (lines said) == * knome (230) * elfy (90) * pleia2 (76) * ochosi (64) * meetingology (63) * skellat (58) * Unit193 (32) * lderan (18) * Noskcaj (16) == Full Log == 20:04:00 #startmeeting Three nights of Xubuntu: Night 3 20:04:00 Meeting started Thu May 16 20:04:00 2013 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:04:00 20:04:00 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:04:07 #chair skellat 20:04:07 Current chairs: knome skellat 20:04:59 o/ 20:05:00 o/ 20:05:01 o/ 20:05:02 We won't be having a Hangout today, and we've ran through all the items on the session blueprints, so the word and agenda are free: is there something else you'd like to discuss? 20:05:07 #chair pleia2 elfy 20:05:07 Current chairs: elfy knome pleia2 skellat 20:05:19 #chair lderan 20:05:19 Current chairs: elfy knome lderan pleia2 skellat 20:05:20 o/ 20:05:23 #chair ochosi 20:05:23 Current chairs: elfy knome lderan ochosi pleia2 skellat 20:05:54 #topic Blog article about "Three Nights of Xubuntu" 20:06:30 #info knome, skellat and pleia2 have put up an article about the two Xubuntu sessions to be posted on xubuntu.org 20:07:16 A last look by others prior to posting would be helpful, I presume. 20:07:22 yes 20:07:29 i will be pushing it to xubuntu.org today 20:07:40 #info knome will move it to xubuntu.org today for reviewing 20:07:44 Do we have a link that can be shared to the current draft? 20:07:51 not at the moment 20:08:03 it's invite only, but i'll move it after the meeting, so it'll be accessible soon 20:08:08 OK 20:08:18 pleia2: Any thoughts as to the article? 20:09:03 it's good 20:09:31 i was wondering if we're pointing out too much that we're "in line" with other flavors 20:09:43 it's brought up twice, and it got my attention 20:11:00 I'm iffy on that. Yes, I wrote it. I just felt at the time some strange need to show small-u unity. 20:11:05 anyway, we can think about that when i've moved it to xubuntu.org 20:11:16 #topic Xubuntu team members 20:11:27 i propose to add skellat to xubuntu-team! 20:11:52 +1 20:12:20 imo other prospective contributors for memberships are lderan, jack fromm (docs guy) if they keep on contributing as they have done so far 20:12:36 i do plan on doing so 20:12:41 that's great :) 20:12:46 :) 20:13:14 sounds good to me 20:13:45 otoh, people who need to step up to keep their memberships are: GridCube, maddernick, Unit193 20:14:13 Unit193 has been showing raised motivation though :) 20:14:22 I have? :P 20:14:23 (sounds a bit like the "tip-of-the-hat – wag-of-my-finger segment of stephen colbert, for those that know it) 20:14:29 (just speak up more often and don't think it's unnecessary!) 20:14:35 +1 20:14:52 i'm thinking this also because... 20:14:57 I'd +1 that as well - but then I'd be saying too much :) 20:14:59 Yeah, that part... 20:15:05 #topic Strategy Document reviewing 20:15:52 i discussed it with various members in the team, and we all thought it would be more appropriate to have xubuntu-team voting the new XPL, not xubuntu-users 20:16:55 #action [knome] Rewrite the XPL voting part in the SD for the team to review and vote on: TODO 20:16:55 * meetingology [knome] Rewrite the XPL voting part in the SD for the team to review and vote on: TODO 20:17:07 (sorry for being lazy and using the work item syntax directly....) 20:17:30 #chair Unit193 20:17:30 Current chairs: Unit193 elfy knome lderan ochosi pleia2 skellat 20:17:50 (if you want to start a new topic, just say "#topic New topic" so it's added to the minutes) 20:18:10 (those who aren't in the chairs list, poke one of the chairs first to add you) 20:18:43 #topic UDS Day 3 Community Roundtable's Discussion Assessing vUDS Structure 20:18:49 #info skellat was present in capacity as a LoCo leader. (SEE ALSO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dF-5Ba4ApgA) 20:18:55 #info Discussion ensued among those present as to the hours and nature of the meetings. 20:19:02 #info Laura Czajkowski raised the issue of seemingly fewer women attending. 20:19:08 #info Randall Ross asked that weekend hours be considered to better accommodate potential participants. 20:19:14 #info skellat noted that Xubuntu was holding a parallel set of meeting hours to accommodate divergent available hours as well as to include members across Asia and the Pacific. 20:19:15 +1 20:19:25 #info At this time Jono's group is reviewing how the second virtual UDS has run and we may or may not see further changes by the next anticipated sessions in August 2013. Time zone shifting was discussed as a possibility to better accommodate Asia/Pacific and Eastern Europe. 20:19:32 #idea It is recommended that we consider our actions during the May 2013 UDS timeframe and assess how we might utilize our current experience in holding further computer-mediated team sessions during the Saucy Salamander cycle. 20:19:47 was there any discussion about a possible real-life uds? 20:19:54 Nope 20:20:17 I did raise the point that in-person discussion works better 20:20:24 That point really didn't go anywhere 20:20:35 it's weird that they give out that recommendation now - as if they had already decided that they'll keep with the virtual meetings 20:20:51 Oh, that's my recommendation 20:20:58 oh, ok :) 20:21:01 i'm also wondering whether we should do hangouts more often as a team... 20:21:04 then nvm me. 20:21:09 ochosi, +1 now and then 20:21:11 knome: It is okay 20:21:16 ochosi, +1 20:21:18 but preparation should be better then 20:21:21 yup 20:21:25 ochosi: might be good - I'd maybe even get a mic ... 20:21:32 * ochosi admits he was poorly prepared... 20:21:32 or we should have a clear agenda with people marked running each item 20:21:35 Randall Ross was a big proponent of trying to get people together in groups to participate to leverage further the upper limit on available Google Hangout sessions 20:21:43 ochosi: So was I. 20:21:56 knome: +1 on clear agenda with assignees 20:22:08 life got in the way for me too, but of course that's not a good reason to not be prepared 20:22:08 that could help with preparation 20:22:11 +1 to that from me as well 20:22:34 it was slightly scary too when people were so quiet on night 1 that lyz needed to tell us to say something 20:22:46 assignees could 1) quickly sum up the topic (for those who didn't prepare ;)) and then 2) propose their $whatever and then 3) we could commonly discuss 20:22:46 I did try to speak up :p 20:22:56 ochosi: +1 20:23:00 Need a Vuvuzela for moments when silence reigns 20:23:00 and tbh... 20UTC is not ideal for me at all 20:23:07 skellat: +100 20:23:13 haha 20:23:17 knome: too late? 20:23:28 skellat: haven't heard those evil things in such a long time :] 20:23:31 elfy, yeah, it's 11pm here and i'm worried about speaking too loud 20:23:40 also, if wife has morning shifts the next day.. not good either. 20:23:46 knome: Do note that text meetings are far better to catch up on when you missed them. 20:23:52 I understand - I'd be the same - little one is in bed directly above me 20:24:04 Partly timing comes down to compromises. 20:24:15 Unit193, definitely, especially if we are taking notes as poorly as we did this time 20:24:17 to some extent skellat 20:24:40 Unit193: yeah, agreed to that 20:24:49 definitely, but otoh, we should make sure the people that are essential to any given item should be able to join the session 20:25:00 (I'm thinking this because much earlier wouldn't work nearly as well.) 20:25:02 that's logical 20:25:23 knome: Jono discussed that a bit and noted how he's up at 1 AM and 6 AM in California for Ubuntu-related meetings 20:25:30 i'm saying that if all artwork people are based in europe, we probably should have an artwork-related meeting at a suitable time for the european participants 20:25:35 for me - and probably only me this time is perfect 20:25:54 elfy: Nope, great here. 20:25:57 its not too bad for me as well 20:25:57 skellat, being up at 1am or 4am isn't a problem for me really. 20:26:10 knome: +1 - but it needs proper notes for those elsewhere to be able to read 20:26:15 skellat, it's external things that make the times bad for me 20:26:23 knome: Understood 20:26:27 elfy, we did do proper notes... after the meeting 20:26:40 yea - I'm just saying :) 20:26:48 the point is that it might be hard to follow the meetings if taking notes at meeting time was bad 20:27:05 for me, i'm awake 2000UTC-1100UTC 20:27:26 knome: I agree - maybe if we're having a hangout type - someone who's ont so involved in discussion can do note taking 20:27:39 s/ont/not 20:27:45 yeah, or a person without a microphone ;) 20:27:48 I'm available 1900~2300 UTC 20:27:49 elfy, otoh it's hard to do that if you're not too involved either 20:28:08 all you need do is be listening :) 20:28:15 sure 20:28:17 ochosi: I was that man ... 20:28:17 * ochosi is definitely totally not looking at elfy when he says that 20:28:20 i'm bad at that... ;) 20:28:37 ok, knome doesn't do note-taking, cause he sucks 20:28:39 elfy: I was almost. :P 20:28:40 ;) 20:28:42 i mean, i'm bad at listening to something and being really focused if i can't participate 20:28:55 I can do that knome 20:29:01 i'm good at remembering most things from a 1 hour meeting though if i have any agenda 20:29:16 i barely take any notes from meetings with clients either 20:29:22 lol 20:29:23 yeah, i think having a clear agenda and assignees should also ease note-taking though 20:29:28 definitely 20:29:32 ochosi: +1 20:29:44 the assignees could even handle the note taking for their own items 20:29:53 ochosi, +1 20:29:57 but - I'd not want to see hangouts take over from IRC meetings though 20:30:02 that way nobody would need to just sit in the corner and shut down. 20:30:09 oh, and may i add: this is the most verbose irc-meeting in quite a while, and i dare say it's not unrelated to the hangouts... 20:30:10 maybe once every 6 weeks or so 20:30:32 on another topic (i'm not a chair yet), Should we try having LSC in for this release? 20:30:36 ochosi, probably, and also because we had our last irc meeting in january or sth. 20:30:54 gives me time to not eat for a day or so and but a mic ... so ochosi stops bullying me :D 20:30:57 Noskcaj, let's get to that once we've finished with this item 20:30:59 Noskcaj: in the lubuntu meetings it is currently discussed to drop it 20:31:27 Any further discussion as to UDS status? 20:31:29 if we have a meeting every two weeks, a hangout every 6 weeks sounds about right 20:31:32 elfy: before you do that PM me your address and i'll mail you one ;) 20:31:38 lol 20:31:53 #topic Inclusion of Lubuntu Software Center 20:32:00 hang on skellat 20:32:03 skellat, heh, okay :) 20:32:06 one more thing 20:32:13 knome: that sounds good to me 20:32:52 #undo 20:32:52 Removing item from minutes: 20:32:57 #action [knome] Set up meeting schedule (IRC and Hangout meetings with vUDS in mind) and send to ML: TODO 20:32:57 * meetingology [knome] Set up meeting schedule (IRC and Hangout meetings with vUDS in mind) and send to ML: TODO 20:33:18 i'm fine with that item now. 20:33:20 question wrt hangouts 20:33:22 (sorry) 20:33:24 I'd say we need to get the first one pretty soon 20:33:24 ochosi, yeah? 20:33:33 what is our policy on keeping our meetings available on youtube 20:33:49 some of us might have privacy concerns wrt keeping the meetings online/available "forever" 20:33:52 i would say drop them soonish. 20:33:55 ^ 20:33:59 we have the notes from those in the ML 20:34:01 I'd say not - we can put notes up in wiki 20:34:02 yeah, that's what i was hoping 20:34:08 but i'm also saying that wrt future hangouts 20:34:14 yes 20:34:19 wondering whether we should even stream them to youtube... 20:34:26 probably not 20:34:30 (or if we do, drop them immediately afterwards) 20:34:32 unless we have participants that can't fo G+ 20:34:37 yes, definitely 20:34:44 I don't see a need - if we're in IRC as well - people can ask there 20:34:55 do we want to set a deadline when we drop the vUDS videos? 20:34:59 #idea Consider retention policy for hangouts on YouTube compared to the retention policy for IRC logs? 20:35:22 I'd say stream them, and keep them for a week. 20:35:29 i'm proposing dropping vUDS videos week after the meeting, other videos as soon as we've done. 20:35:32 err, we're 20:35:38 till the next meeting? 20:35:41 sounds good 20:35:51 Keep video at least until next meeting 20:35:58 elfy, i'm most probably proposing and meeting every two weeks 20:36:03 s/and/a/ 20:36:09 so if we had hangout today, IRC in fortnight - drop the youtube on the day we next meet? 20:36:23 until next meeting would mean keeping the yt-video for 6 weeks? 20:36:23 elfy: +1 20:36:26 I guessed a fortnigjt :) 20:36:33 i would simply say... 20:36:39 (with hangouts every 6 weeks) 20:36:41 ochosi: no the next meeting - not the next hangout 20:36:43 one week. period. 20:37:02 I'll sit on the fence on that then :) 20:37:03 yeah, i'm kinda on knome's side here, if we take notes anyway, what are the videos good for? 20:37:06 but that's of course open for discussion 20:37:18 whynot keep it forever? 20:37:22 i would even say only the vUDS-timed videos need to be up after the sessions 20:37:30 what about re-evaluating that after the next hangouts? 20:37:37 keeping it forever is easy (default), removing it takes effort and I don't know the value 20:37:38 pleia2, privacy concerns, eg. some ugly monkeys don't want their face showing up forever in youtube 20:37:44 boo 20:37:47 (^ i'm referring to myself) 20:37:55 * ochosi feels like an ugly monkey now 20:38:03 why do you think I've no web cam ... :p 20:38:11 ochosi: you're lovely :) and not a lego 20:38:13 take them off youtube and host them somewhere else maybe? 20:38:19 we should've had a hangout for this so i could've seen simon's face when i said that! 20:38:23 elfy: ok, in that case i'll also mail you a camera 20:38:29 ha ha ha 20:38:30 i don't think the problem is youtube 20:38:33 :) 20:38:38 it's rather just keeping the videos up 20:38:43 yeah 20:38:49 knome: Ugly monkey? That feels directed... 20:39:02 I don't really see a need if the notes are good enough to keep the video up 20:39:05 i don't want a policy that says "if you don't want to show up in a video, don't join the hangout" either. 20:39:07 Unit193: I thought it was a reference to the new Google Plus layout 20:39:07 I think we benefit from the internet having too much stuff on it ;) who will ever actually go dig these up ever again who isn't us? 20:39:20 pleia2, employers? 20:39:20 pleia2: imagine you say something stupid or look bored and future employers confront you at the job interview "you always looked so bored in the meetings!" imagine that! 20:39:26 haha! 20:39:26 I just thought that keeping till the next meeting was a good compromise 20:39:28 yes! 20:39:40 if an employer is going to go scan through hours of UDS videos to find something to pick apart, I don't really want to work for them 20:39:44 that's strange and creepy 20:39:47 lol 20:39:54 (and unlikely) 20:39:55 i can't see the added value of meeting videos being up after the meeting as long as we have notes 20:40:05 notes are easier and faster to go through 20:40:11 pleia2: yeah, but the vUDS videos are different from regular meetings imo 20:40:11 indeed they are 20:40:13 pleia2: It may be strange & creepy...but it is the new normal for HR. That and all those bloody eHarmony-style personality tests that are being required these days. 20:40:23 saying stupid things on mailing lists is much more likely and searchable 20:40:26 how about we see how good the notes are - if they are as good as IRC logs - that's enough 20:40:28 those are a pain skellat 20:40:28 ochosi: ours aren't vUDS videos 20:40:33 and hangouts are going to be like "... *silence* .... (lyz:) say something" anyway 20:40:37 ochosi: ours are on my private youtube, not linked to other vUDS things 20:40:50 since ours aren't official sessions 20:40:57 pleia2, still. 20:41:01 pleia2: hmright. 20:41:01 well, official for us, not official for UDS 20:41:07 Lyz: say something! Unit193: Something. 20:41:11 :) 20:41:12 yeah, like that 20:41:16 ha ha ha 20:41:19 we can always have a vote on that... 20:41:19 do you think that looks good on any of us? 20:41:24 i veto. 20:41:28 heh 20:41:31 I was fine knome :p 20:41:40 knome: you _veto_ against voting? :p 20:41:43 Compared to how that job interview went on Night 1, the hangout sounds like it would have been a better use of time 20:41:58 oh dear 20:42:06 skellat, that can be said of the part before ochosi joined, unfortunately 20:42:19 it was about the developer involvement 20:42:23 and no developers were around 20:42:25 ochosi: I think you're right - we should just vote and be done with it :) 20:42:36 nobody had anything to say, it had been beaten up in the blueprints already 20:42:44 elfy: yeah, this is starting to take up too much time... 20:42:46 I want to link the youtube videos to my blog post about UDS :( must keep forever! 20:43:13 ochosi: it's because we're trying to catch up on what didn't get said over the last 2 days :) 20:43:18 * Noskcaj doesn't see why you need them taken down. 20:43:28 Noskcaj, you didn't have a camera. 20:43:30 pleia2: but wouldn't an edited summary or something be nicer? i mean do you really want ppl to think that our meetings are lame and quiet (especially those that hit "close" after two minutes)? 20:43:42 ochosi: ours really aren't that bad 20:43:54 knome, i wasn't allowed a camera, my brother owns the only one in the house and said no 20:43:58 plenty of uds sessions are like ours 20:43:59 ochosi: Better than most school board & city council meetings around here 20:44:10 #vote YouTube videos of Hangouts: Keep forever (+1) or not (-1) (only those who had a camera can vote) 20:44:10 Please vote on: YouTube videos of Hangouts: Keep forever (+1) or not (-1) (only those who had a camera can vote) 20:44:10 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:44:12 pleia2: hm, have never watched any uds sessions 20:44:13 -1 20:44:13 -1 received from knome 20:44:18 -1 20:44:18 -1 received from Unit193 20:44:20 +1 20:44:20 +1 received from skellat 20:44:21 -1 20:44:21 -1 received from ochosi 20:44:22 -1 20:44:22 -1 received from lderan 20:44:26 keeping them up increases project transparency, I don't like the idea of having secret meetings of hangouts and fully public meetings of irc 20:44:30 +1 20:44:30 +1 received from pleia2 20:45:02 pleia2, we will still have the meeting notes. and we can have the videos on your HDD to be sent by email if somebody wants to "check" things out. 20:45:03 (I probably won't feel comfortable participating in hangouts if they're private) 20:45:19 -1 20:45:19 -1 received from Noskcaj 20:45:34 oops, +1 20:45:39 +1 20:45:39 +1 received from Noskcaj 20:45:40 pleia2: I understand that, but I'm the reverse. (In that case, you being present is more important.) 20:45:43 is that everybody? 20:45:52 pleia2: i wouldn't mind voting on this again after we have a bit more "experience" with hangouts, would that be ok for you? 20:45:53 I didn't have a camera :) 20:45:59 but as I will 20:46:01 Unit193: no one is more important (except knome prolly) 20:46:01 -1 20:46:01 -1 received from elfy 20:46:05 #endvote 20:46:05 Voting ended on: YouTube videos of Hangouts: Keep forever (+1) or not (-1) (only those who had a camera can vote) 20:46:05 Votes for:3 Votes against:5 Abstentions:0 20:46:05 Motion denied 20:46:11 so, next vote 20:46:13 #vote Shall the Nights of Xubuntu videos be allowed to archived by a member of the Community Council outside of remaining on YouTube? 20:46:13 Please vote on: Shall the Nights of Xubuntu videos be allowed to archived by a member of the Community Council outside of remaining on YouTube? 20:46:13 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:46:20 oh, okay 20:46:25 +1 20:46:25 +1 received from knome 20:46:28 +1 20:46:28 +1 received from elfy 20:46:28 ochosi: that's fine, but I really don't feel comfortable participating unless they are kept public 20:46:29 +1 20:46:29 +1 received from skellat 20:46:44 wait, what would that be good for? 20:46:46 skellat, just for clarification, does that include pleia2 ? 20:46:46 +1 20:46:46 +1 received from lderan 20:46:57 ochosi, if somebody wants to "check something out" 20:46:59 knome: Yep. 20:47:05 ok 20:47:10 "then -1" 20:47:13 (just kidding) 20:47:18 +0 20:47:18 +0 received from Unit193 20:47:27 +0 20:47:27 +0 received from ochosi 20:47:39 I would much rather have them be still accessible even if not accessible via YouTube 20:47:40 if someone complains we can always revisit it 20:47:57 #endvote 20:47:57 Voting ended on: Shall the Nights of Xubuntu videos be allowed to archived by a member of the Community Council outside of remaining on YouTube? 20:47:57 Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2 20:47:57 Motion carried 20:48:00 i have anohter. 20:48:05 *another 20:48:45 #vote Keep videos of Hangouts up for a limited time (+1) or delete directly after the session has ended (-1)? Everbody can vote. 20:48:45 Please vote on: Keep videos of Hangouts up for a limited time (+1) or delete directly after the session has ended (-1)? Everbody can vote. 20:48:45 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:48:45 pleia2: at least atm i'm not sure i'd feel comfortable with having all those meeting videos in a publicly accessible place, that'd at least lead to me having my webcam switched off (i don't have that lego-avatar for nothing, after all) 20:49:01 -1 20:49:01 -1 received from ochosi 20:49:07 +1 20:49:07 +1 received from elfy 20:49:12 +1 20:49:12 +1 received from lderan 20:49:17 that was a stupid vote. 20:49:20 +1 -- Gotta have time in case somebody is late to the meeting to catch up 20:49:20 +1 -- Gotta have time in case somebody is late to the meeting to catch up received from skellat 20:49:34 -1 generally; +1 for vUDS-related 20:49:34 -1 generally; +1 for vUDS-related received from knome 20:49:43 +1 20:49:43 +1 received from Unit193 20:50:08 now I'm justconfused ... 20:50:12 elfy, lol! 20:50:20 -1 20:50:20 -1 received from elfy 20:50:27 would be good to announce votes before just starting them ;) 20:50:31 that's me at 0 then 20:50:35 announce and explain 20:50:46 elfy, then say +0 20:50:47 that should really be 2 seperate thinsg 20:50:49 +0 20:50:49 +0 received from elfy 20:51:00 elfy, i know. i just realized. 20:51:08 In case someone missed the meeting, but wants to review. 20:51:10 start again then :) 20:51:12 Unit193, notes. 20:51:23 Yes, but not always good enough. 20:51:35 then make the notes better 20:51:39 #endvote 20:51:39 Voting ended on: Keep videos of Hangouts up for a limited time (+1) or delete directly after the session has ended (-1)? Everbody can vote. 20:51:39 Votes for:3 Votes against:2 Abstentions:1 20:51:39 Motion carried 20:52:13 i mean, meh 20:52:21 let's rewind 20:52:35 do we want to have official hangouts at all if it's this hard? 20:52:45 want to vote on that, or discuss? 20:53:23 I don't think it exactly needed a vote, everyone seemed to be good to do them. 20:53:26 hmpf, i was actually generally in favor of hangouts, but i guess i opened a can of worms with mentioning privacy concerns... 20:53:32 brb 20:53:51 Unit193, well as ochosi said, didn't need back then but now... 20:53:52 personally I see the value in a face to face thing - but I can understand if people have privacy concerns 20:54:14 #action skellat, as a professionally-trained librarian, to assist pleia2 with archiving Nights of Xubuntu in such manner as pleia2 deems fit after the in-meeting vote 20:54:14 * meetingology skellat, as a professionally-trained librarian, to assist pleia2 with archiving Nights of Xubuntu in such manner as pleia2 deems fit after the in-meeting vote 20:54:32 so... 20:54:40 I don't really want to be a part of this archiving process 20:54:47 #undo 20:54:47