#title #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu community meeting Meeting started by knome at 15:04:26 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Items carried on *Open action items from previous meeting (knome, 15:04:56) started review of target audience for marketing (pleia2, 15:05:55) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing (pleia2, 15:06:13) changing the scope of that "Define the Xubuntu target audience" to be target /marketing/ audience, our actual target audience is defined in our strategy document (pleia2, 15:07:32) *Enable or disable compositor by default? (knome, 15:08:13) *Team updates *Development (knome, 15:20:52) *QA (knome, 15:22:12) ''ACTION:'' astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' (knome, 15:24:02) *Marketing, Promotion, Art (knome, 15:24:23) I contacted the owner of the most-maintained Facebook page about Xubuntu, and he agreed to let us make it the official one (pleia2, 15:25:41) ''LINK:'' https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers (pleia2, 15:25:45) ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to add Facebook page to website (pleia2, 15:27:50) ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins (pleia2, 15:28:02) I ordered a black t-shirt from zazzle.com with the design from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#T-shirts (lack the ubuntu font though) (pleia2, 15:32:41) I'll report back on how it goes, they were having a sale so I figured I'd give it a try :) (pleia2, 15:32:58) Albatross has been fully ported to Gtk3, it also has a metacity theme now and supports Unity (ochosi, 15:35:20) ''ACTION:'' Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress (ochosi, 15:35:36) Albatross xfwm-refresh is very much WIP... (knome, 15:35:40) ochosi is trying with the help of a new contributor to port Greybird to pure CSS (no more unico engine in Gtk3 hopefully) (ochosi, 15:36:12) Some small bugs have been squashed in Bluebird and Greybird in Gtk3 for Quantal already, but we need more testing (ochosi, 15:37:00) We also need more testing for missing icons (ochosi, 15:37:12) *New and emerging items *BP: Add more launchers to Settings Manager (knome, 15:41:59) ''LINK:'' https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers (knome, 15:42:06) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps (knome, 15:42:26) *Encryption required for testing on milestones? (knome, 15:43:40) *Testcases feedback (knome, 15:46:50) *Do we need screensaver by default or would a screenlock suffice? (knome, 15:47:17) ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker (knome, 15:49:44) ''ACTION:'' xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management (knome, 15:50:06) *Schedule next meeting (knome, 15:50:19) ''ACTION:'' knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel (knome, 15:53:31) Meeting ended at 15:53:46 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' * pleia2 to add Facebook page to website * pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins * Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress * xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker * xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management * knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel == Action items, by person == * astraljava ** astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' * knome ** knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel * pleia2 ** pleia2 to add Facebook page to website ** pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins * xubuntu-team ** xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker ** xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management == People present (lines said) == * knome (119) * pleia2 (50) * ochosi (41) * meetingology (11) * bluesabre (3) * xubuntu-team (0) * astraljava (0) == Full Log == 15:04:26 #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting 15:04:26 Meeting started Wed Jul 11 15:04:26 2012 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:04:26 15:04:26 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:04:33 #chair ochosi astraljava pleia2 15:04:33 Current chairs: astraljava knome ochosi pleia2 15:04:43 #topic Items carried on 15:04:56 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 15:05:25 pleia2, is your "review target audience" done? 15:05:41 release notes are written, and bluesabre has been in contact with people via ML 15:05:55 #info started review of target audience for marketing 15:06:09 great! is there anything visible? ;) 15:06:13 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing 15:06:29 oh wait, it looks like my changes didn't save 15:06:37 awwh 15:06:56 (boo travel and unreliable wifi) 15:07:32 well, i suppose you have it in your head, so we are able to access that data later :P 15:07:32 #info changing the scope of that "Define the Xubuntu target audience" to be target /marketing/ audience, our actual target audience is defined in our strategy document 15:07:37 yeah 15:07:49 so I'll re-update in a bit :) 15:07:54 great 15:08:13 #subtopic Enable or disable compositor by default? 15:08:22 astraljava, did you have some insight on this? 15:08:30 there was a bug report or so... 15:09:50 since janne has vanished, anybody else? 15:10:36 allllllright. 15:10:38 not sure 15:10:41 :) 15:10:52 i think ideally we should disable it by default in the live-session 15:10:56 and enable it in the install 15:11:02 although that might seem inconsistent 15:11:08 but i think it does make some sense 15:11:09 i don't know if/how that's possible technically 15:11:33 should be possible, but i guess it would have to be discussed with our packagers 15:11:34 I don't love that idea, we tend to tell people to use the livecd to test if it works and they like it 15:11:42 true 15:11:45 yes, that raises the question "if we don't need the compositor on live, ..." 15:12:02 generally, i'm not a huge fan of the compositor 15:12:02 but otoh you don't use the live-cd for a longer period 15:12:39 that's not to say there is something wrong with it, i just personally prefer to disable the compositor, since i'm getting a bit more clean environment that way 15:13:10 sure, i can't use translucent panels, but imo those are not obligatory 15:13:46 yeah, we should ensure everything looks good without the compositor as well 15:13:54 but in general the shadows help do distinguish windows 15:13:55 is there *any* tests done with and without the compositor on, is there a notable speed difference? 15:14:51 and/or does enabling the compositor mean you should have at least some "power" in your GC? 15:15:34 xfwm4's compositor is really lean 15:15:47 but of course there are "issues" with proprietary drivers 15:15:55 in all fairness, all compositors have those issues 15:16:05 and generally, this leads us to the question of how far are we willing to go to pursue lightweightness 15:16:07 and in fact there is upstream work going on atm to reduce them (mostly video-tearing) 15:16:45 fwiw, I don't use the compositor either 15:16:46 in a way, i feel like that the compositor is a nice feature for those who want that extra bling, and because of that POV, i'm thinking "those who want it can enable it" 15:16:48 pleia2: btw, i was mainly referring to switching the compositor off in the "install xubuntu" option, which only shows ubiquity 15:17:01 ochosi: oh, gotcha 15:17:16 and we should strive to improve that anyhow, because there are no panels 15:17:23 but notifications about joining networks etc 15:18:12 how many of the people around actually use the translucent panels, for example? 15:18:32 i think that's the biggest thing, at least the most prominent change, if we decide to disable compositor by default 15:18:47 for me it's mostly the shadows behind windows 15:19:08 we're currently using translucency in a very conservative way, which i think is good 15:19:43 bigger window borders would fix "not distinguishing windows" without the shadows ;] 15:20:00 but really, this seems to be a bit of a different discussion (compositor on in general or not), i'd rather continue with the meeting, i don't have too much time right now 15:20:12 yes, i don't want to push the translucency-button any further 15:20:18 thanks 15:20:25 i mean :D 15:20:34 at least, let's not get any less conservative as we are now 15:20:35 :P 15:20:40 but we can continue the meeting too. 15:20:47 #topic Team updates 15:20:52 #subtopic Development 15:20:59 mr_pouit, micahg, astraljava 15:22:08 moving on 15:22:12 #subtopic QA 15:22:18 astraljava, GridCube, Unit193, ? 15:22:33 pleia2, ? :) 15:22:42 nothing from me 15:22:57 oh, we have a meeting coming up, QA-specific 15:23:12 this Sunday at 16:00 UTC 15:23:17 i assume somebody's going to announce it somewhere? 15:23:25 yeah, astraljava should 15:23:28 i mean, apart from this really quiet meeting 15:24:02 #action astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' 15:24:02 * meetingology astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' 15:24:23 #subtopic Marketing, Promotion, Art 15:24:52 I have many things :) 15:24:56 ochosi, do i really need to highlight you? ;) 15:25:15 pleia2, just go ahead, with #info & #action 15:25:41 #info I contacted the owner of the most-maintained Facebook page about Xubuntu, and he agreed to let us make it the official one 15:25:45 #link https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers 15:25:55 i assume you're an admin now too? 15:25:58 yep 15:26:01 good :) 15:26:09 so we should add it to the site now (I can do that) 15:26:18 great, thanks 15:26:39 I also wanted to say that it's been an exceptional experience approaching all these admins, google+, linkedin, facebook 15:26:54 they've all been happy to add me as admin and excited about having their sites made official 15:26:54 :) 15:27:14 now that we're this far, i suppose it's not a bad idea to cover more social networks 15:27:14 so I started writing a "thank you" blog post on my personal blog, should I keep this personal or maybe post it on xubuntu.org? 15:27:29 at least if those groups already exist and we can just drop in 15:27:29 i'm for the latter 15:27:35 xubuntu.org definitely :) 15:27:50 #action pleia2 to add Facebook page to website 15:27:50 * meetingology pleia2 to add Facebook page to website 15:27:54 it's a thanks from the whole (dev) community 15:28:02 #action pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins 15:28:02 * meetingology pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins 15:28:19 also, another way to tell people that they can join/follow/like... 15:28:24 yeah :) 15:28:34 also, I'm doing a Xubuntu presentation on Saturday 15:28:48 "now that we have done this really exhaustive taking-over..." ;) 15:28:50 micahg and ochosi already reviewed, I merged their changes in: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/xubuntu-feltonlug.pdf 15:28:54 hehe 15:29:00 in case anyone wants to review today 15:29:17 what, can i ask questions too about xubuntu? 15:29:29 though i'm not sure if even *200* slides would go in that case.. 15:29:33 no, you know everything 15:29:48 but if there is anything I am obviously missing, comments welcome :) 15:29:59 ok, i'll try to get around to reading it 15:30:06 by when do you need feedbak? 15:30:07 +c 15:30:22 today would be preferred, I am starting to practice actually giving it 15:30:27 ok 15:30:31 thank you :) 15:30:34 and finally... 15:30:45 at least for the slide 16, mention (gtk3) updates for albatross and bluebird too :) 15:31:10 aaand you lack ochosi from the reviwers ;) 15:31:14 oh hm, I changed that to say "Xubuntu's default themes" 15:31:18 ok 15:31:22 :) 15:31:27 that's odd, it uploaded but didn't seem to update the download 15:31:27 yup, i already mentioned that in my review ;) 15:31:31 * pleia2 retries 15:31:52 ok, try download again 15:32:03 maybe sftp didn't auto-override the old file or something 15:32:10 pleia2, in slide 9, maybe replace "background" with "wallpaper" 15:32:41 #info I ordered a black t-shirt from zazzle.com with the design from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#T-shirts (lack the ubuntu font though) 15:32:45 pleia2, (and optionally add ", general appearance..." 15:32:47 ) 15:32:54 awwh! 15:32:55 pics? 15:32:58 #info I'll report back on how it goes, they were having a sale so I figured I'd give it a try :) 15:33:04 ah 15:33:10 so it hasn't arrived yet ;) 15:33:13 yeah 15:33:35 * ochosi goes to the loo for a sec 15:33:43 pleia2, slide 11, first bullet "Join (#)xubuntu-devel mailing list and IRC channel" 15:34:51 thanks 15:34:52 re 15:34:57 pleia2, and in pg 14 too, last bullet; background->wallpaper, and maybe sth like "for example" 15:35:20 #info Albatross has been fully ported to Gtk3, it also has a metacity theme now and supports Unity 15:35:26 \o/ 15:35:36 #action Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress 15:35:36 * meetingology Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress 15:35:39 ok, went with "Attend meetings to voice your opinion on proposed changes to artwork, wallpaper and other visual changes" 15:35:40 #info Albatross xfwm-refresh is very much WIP... 15:35:59 maybe visual elements 15:36:12 #info ochosi is trying with the help of a new contributor to port Greybird to pure CSS (no more unico engine in Gtk3 hopefully) 15:36:42 pleia2, pg17, 3. bull; "panel applets..." 15:37:00 #info Some small bugs have been squashed in Bluebird and Greybird in Gtk3 for Quantal already, but we need more testing 15:37:12 #info We also need more testing for missing icons 15:37:20 that's about it from the artwork-side 15:37:47 ochosi, can you follow-up on the icons with astraljava, so we could get a special mention for the rest of our 12.10 milestones? :) 15:38:21 what do you mean exactly? 15:39:34 pleia2, pg19, last bullet, please add a slash add the end of the line ;) 15:39:49 hehe 15:39:52 ochosi, we can tell our testers to look specifically at the icons 15:40:05 i think the long-test already contains something like that 15:40:07 i added it myself 15:40:08 ok 15:40:12 heh, fine... 15:40:27 check point 11 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long 15:40:58 since we're *kind of* changing our icon theme, maybe that could be a part of the short test for the 12.10 cycle 15:41:37 anyway, i suppose that was it for the artwork 15:41:48 #topic New and emerging items 15:41:59 #subtopic BP: Add more launchers to Settings Manager 15:42:06 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers 15:42:26 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps 15:42:31 Unit193, you around? 15:43:34 ok, let's carry on 15:43:40 #subtopic Encryption required for testing on milestones? 15:44:09 who added this? astraljava? :) 15:44:13 or me...? :P 15:45:19 look at the wiki-log? 15:45:24 that's too long 15:45:47 i suppose this means if we should have the encryption -testcase on milestones 15:45:57 or, any other ideas what this could mean? 15:46:04 (yes, i know i might've added this myself... ;)) 15:46:28 oh, no, that's astraljava 15:46:45 since he doesn't seem to be around, let's carry on :) 15:46:50 #subtopic Testcases feedback 15:46:57 astraljava's too, carry on... 15:47:17 #subtopic Do we need screensaver by default or would a screenlock suffice? 15:47:28 no screensaver 15:47:33 +1 15:47:41 +1 15:47:45 +1 15:47:46 the default savers aren't very good looking anyway 15:47:57 #agree Drop screensavers by default 15:48:01 \o/ 15:48:05 great 15:48:08 no screensaver, but monitor power management enabled? 15:48:16 bluesabre, sure. 15:48:31 bluesabre, screensaver is just the visual thingy. 15:48:40 yeah, I think we just set it to blank instead 15:48:44 Yeah, but I think the default settings don't power off the monitor 15:49:06 we need a screenlocker though 15:49:17 it actually is a planned feature of lightdm 15:49:24 no clue what the progress is on that though 15:49:30 #nick xubuntu-team 15:49:44 #action xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker 15:49:44 * meetingology xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker 15:50:06 #action xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management 15:50:06 * meetingology xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management 15:50:19 #subtopic Schedule next meeting 15:50:36 is there a milestone that requires us to have a meeting next week? 15:50:55 apparently not 15:51:16 no, wait 15:52:54 we do 15:53:16 yeah, next milestone in 2 weeks + 1 day 15:53:31 #action knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel 15:53:31 * meetingology knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel 15:53:43 that date even made sense! 15:53:46 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)