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15:03:12 <ochosi> soo, welcome everyone
15:03:29 <ochosi> first thing on our agenda are the open action items from last time
15:03:35 <ochosi> i
15:03:45 <ochosi> i'll go through them by person
15:03:57 <ochosi> astraljava: what about your two action-items?
15:04:25 <astraljava> #info astraljava to send information on the Xubuntu QA meeting - DONE
15:04:45 <astraljava> #info astraljava to look at enabling/disabling compositor - PENDING
15:05:13 <ochosi> ok
15:05:13 <astraljava> I can talk about the first one on QA section.
15:05:16 <astraljava> ..
15:05:19 <ochosi> sounds good
15:05:47 <ochosi> pleia2: what about your two items? (work on marketing products with knome, raise publicity on testing/docs)
15:06:35 <pleia2> #info pleia2 and knome to work on marketing products is in progress, I made some edits to Xubuntu/Marketing this past week but still need to gather content for fliers
15:06:55 <pleia2> #info pleia2 to raise publicity on triaging, testing and docs - no updates here
15:07:58 <pleia2> .
15:08:49 <ochosi> k, thanks
15:09:08 <ochosi> #info ochosi to send more information on Greybird and a request for feedback to ML - PENDING
15:09:39 <ochosi> #info information on Greybird has been distributed through the website and google+ so far, mailinglist will follow shortly
15:10:02 <ochosi> ok, since knome isn't present, this is it with open action-items from last time
15:10:52 <ochosi> personally i think the compositor-discussion should be postponed until astraljava has fully investigated
15:10:59 <ochosi> astraljava: what do you think? ^
15:11:14 <astraljava> I agree, it needs more data to back up any decisions.
15:11:17 <astraljava> ..
15:11:23 <ochosi> ok, good, let's continue with teams
15:11:38 <ochosi> #topic development
15:11:50 <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: any further updates in the development department?
15:12:43 <ochosi> ok, let's skip ahead to QA and get back to development if one of the two comes around
15:12:50 <ochosi> #topic Quality Assurance
15:12:56 <ochosi> astraljava: take the stage :)
15:13:20 <astraljava> #info We had our QA meeting last Sunday, the minutes of which can be read at:
15:13:38 <astraljava> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008252.html
15:14:11 <astraljava> #info We have again a similar meeting this coming Sunday, details can be found on the minutes above.
15:14:50 <astraljava> #info Loosely, new testers were guided on how to do quality assurance, how to follow the testcases, where to get images to be tested etc.
15:16:02 <astraljava> #info It was agreed that the testcases need more refinery. Related to that, we just had the Ubuntu QA community meeting. Agreed on there was that each point in testcase is critical, meaning if any of them fails, the whole test fails.
15:16:52 <astraljava> #info There's also going to be new testcases, and a new interface for administering them, for flavors as well. More news about this when the thing develops.
15:17:47 <astraljava> #info We have had a few tests done on the images (thanks hobgoblin, others!), but I need to gather a bit more data on how we're doing. This is more important to the upcoming milestone release, Alpha-2 next week.
15:18:08 <astraljava> But we should talk about that later this meeting, not strictly a QA thing.
15:18:16 <astraljava> ..
15:20:03 <ochosi> ok
15:20:10 <ochosi> astraljava: so you're done with QA for now?
15:20:22 <astraljava> Yep, that's what the '..' is there for. :)
15:20:32 <ochosi> ok :)
15:20:35 <ochosi> just wanted to make sure
15:20:50 <ochosi> #topic Marketing, Promotion
15:20:53 <ochosi> pleia2: ?
15:21:35 <pleia2> #info knome mentioned it in passing last week, but we have a LinkedIn Xubuntu Users group now which is linked on the website and marketing page (with contact info for admins): http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Xubuntu-Users-4058113
15:22:24 <pleia2> #info I have some stickers to give away, but I'm going to blog about that on my personal blog and keep the "how to make stickers" stuff on the Products page
15:23:24 <pleia2> this week I'm going to review our "Define the Xubuntu target audience" on our /Marketing page to better define that as *marketing* target audience (broader target audience is addressed in the strat document
15:23:29 <pleia2> ^^ you can action me
15:23:36 <pleia2> that's pretty much it
15:23:38 <pleia2> ..
15:24:17 <ochosi> #action pleia2 to review "target audience" as "marketing target audience" on the Marketing page
15:24:17 * meetingology pleia2 to review "target audience" as "marketing target audience" on the Marketing page
15:24:26 <ochosi> #topic Artwork
15:24:35 <ochosi> as you know i've reworked parts of our default theme
15:25:03 <ochosi> #info Greybird has been reworked and a blog post on the website has informed people about some of the changes
15:26:03 <ochosi> #info Our icon-theme will also need a few tweaks, but we'll have to wait for our first (alpha) release to be able to test
15:26:30 <ochosi> astraljava: in fact this is something we could've discussed in QA, it would be great if people could also report missing icons or theme-bugs
15:27:09 <pleia2> is there anything we can add to the /Long test this cycle to specifically target some of the changes?
15:27:25 <ochosi> you mean the greybird-changes?
15:27:28 <pleia2> yeah
15:27:38 <ochosi> not really. if anything, it'll be more robust with the bright menus
15:27:48 <ochosi> the dark menus were a troublemaker from the beginning...
15:27:53 * pleia2 nods
15:28:01 <astraljava> Bugs can be filed as usual, and reported on ISO testing as well, nothing special there.
15:28:12 <ochosi> but there could again be changes in gtk3 or the unico-engine which might trigger bugs
15:28:20 <ochosi> yeah, i agree
15:28:45 <ochosi> i just wanted to make people more aware that visual glitches are also bugs :)
15:28:48 <pleia2> sure, just wondering if there is anything in particular we'll need to draw attention to in the testcase
15:28:52 <pleia2> yeah
15:29:10 <ochosi> tbh i haven't thought about it enough, it was more an idea just now
15:29:34 <ochosi> bluesabre did quite a lot of those small bug-reports for visual glitches last release. very useful stuff for me
15:30:05 <ochosi> maybe it's just the attention to visual detail
15:30:36 <ochosi> i'd say the panel, the menus and the desktop are the three first impressions
15:30:38 <bluesabre> (I figured it was just annoying) :)
15:31:00 <ochosi> bluesabre: hehe, no seriously, it was really helpful
15:31:20 <ochosi> bluesabre: what would you draw attention to specifically for testers?
15:32:06 <ochosi> anyway, we can also discuss that after the meeting
15:32:09 <ochosi> no rush
15:32:13 <ochosi> skipping ahead...
15:32:21 <ochosi> #topic General updates
15:32:32 <ochosi> any more updates anyone?
15:36:27 <bluesabre> I guess I should mention that anybody who wants to do translation work could have a look at the catfish update.
15:36:39 <ochosi> yup
15:36:50 <bluesabre> lp:catfish-search
15:36:51 <bluesabre> :)
15:36:57 <ochosi> please use a leading #info or #link
15:37:06 <ochosi> that way it'll get in the minutes
15:37:23 <ochosi> what do you think about sending an email to the ML with a call for translations?
15:37:57 <bluesabre> Sure, where do I email that to?
15:38:11 <ochosi> i guess both the -devel and the -users list
15:38:27 <bluesabre> #info Anyone who is interested in translation work, we need new translations for lp:catfish-search
15:38:33 <bluesabre> #link https://launchpad.net/catfish-search
15:39:01 <ochosi> #action bluesabre to send email to our MLs calling for translations for lp:catfish-search
15:39:01 * meetingology bluesabre to send email to our MLs calling for translations for lp:catfish-search
15:39:56 <ochosi> any more updates?
15:40:54 <Unit193> Not in catfish-gtk3 anymore?
15:41:07 <ochosi> Unit193: no, that was a private branch
15:41:15 <ochosi> we made it a real launchpad-project now
15:41:36 <ochosi> so it can supersede current catfish properly
15:41:57 <Unit193> Missed that part, could be why no updates. :P
15:43:05 <ochosi> ok, let's skip ahead again
15:43:09 <ochosi> #topic Announcements
15:43:26 <ochosi> #info there's a review underway of the Xubuntu Strategy Document
15:43:44 <ochosi> #info An email has been sent by knome to the ML
15:43:50 <ochosi> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-June/008253.html
15:44:17 <ochosi> #info The community is asked to give feedback on the review
15:44:28 <ochosi> any other announcements?
15:44:39 <ochosi> pleia2, astraljava ?
15:45:22 <pleia2> nope
15:45:24 <astraljava> Nothing from me.
15:45:29 <Unit193> I'd assume the settings manager blueprint will be looked at later?
15:45:47 <ochosi> Unit193: do you need guidance/feedback for that or anything?
15:46:13 <astraljava> Probably skip to the next item on the agenda, anyway.
15:46:19 <Unit193> Just if I'm missing any programs, just trying to follow process?
15:46:40 <ochosi> Unit193: ok, we can look at it later if you want
15:46:53 <ochosi> two more updates
15:47:20 <ochosi> #info mr_pouit's work-items will have to be re-distributed, he'll be busy with RL during most of this cycle
15:47:39 <ochosi> #info astraljava will take a look at improving xfce4-display dialog this weekend
15:48:18 <ochosi> #info madnick is in process of forking unity-greeter as "xubuntu-greeter", which means we'll (hopefully) have a fully-fledged greeter for 12.10
15:48:31 <ochosi> (actually those were three)
15:48:40 <ochosi> #topic New and emerging items
15:48:50 <astraljava> o/
15:48:55 <ochosi> astraljava: shoot
15:49:08 <astraljava> This is the spot I want to use for Alpha-2 talk.
15:49:13 <ochosi> sure
15:49:16 <ochosi> go ahead
15:49:51 <astraljava> #info Alpha-2 milestones is during next week. Releases are always on Thursdays here in the *buntu-land. I'm gonna need to send a decision to the release meeting this Friday.
15:50:17 <astraljava> hobgoblin: You have been doing most of the testing. What is your feeling about the quality of the present images?
15:50:32 <hobgoblin> mostly good imo
15:51:03 <hobgoblin> the only bug I found which really annoyed me was the no partitions showing in thunar/usb's not mounting
15:51:30 <hobgoblin> the who bug is sorted I think
15:51:42 <ochosi> the "who bug"?
15:51:45 <hobgoblin> other than that - they all seem to be fine for me
15:52:21 <hobgoblin> I have no users on my system - a lightdm bug I believe
15:52:36 <hobgoblin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/870297
15:52:39 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 870297 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm logins not being logged in wtmp" [High,Triaged]
15:52:43 <hobgoblin> that one
15:52:59 <ochosi> ok
15:53:16 <ochosi> yeah, it's marked as fix committed, might take a bit until it lands
15:53:22 <hobgoblin> indeed
15:53:24 <ochosi> (but it also affects ubuntu)
15:53:32 <ochosi> (so maybe it won't take that long)
15:53:40 <hobgoblin> :)
15:53:45 <pleia2> I can try to do a daily test before friday too
15:53:57 <ochosi> astraljava: are there any downsides to releasing an alpha-2?
15:54:07 <pleia2> then we should start getting some release notes together
15:54:18 <astraljava> In any case, that bug won't affect to normal usage and releasability.
15:54:20 <hobgoblin> I'll manage to do some more before Friday too
15:54:40 <astraljava> ochosi: Not really, other than the slight overhead which pleia2 just mentioned.
15:54:53 <ochosi> pleia2: ok, actually now i have an icon-thing i'd like testers to look at in 12.10a²
15:55:04 <ochosi> gtk3 introduced symbolic-icons
15:55:04 <astraljava> ochosi: And of course maybe the increased traffic on support channels. :)
15:55:27 <ochosi> we already support them, but gtk3 apps might've switched even more of their icons to symbolic ones
15:55:41 <ochosi> so it would be great if people could look for broken icons in our gtk3 apps
15:55:46 <astraljava> But we're moving away from the topic here a little. Do we, as the team, support releasing the Alpha-2?
15:55:55 <ochosi> (evince,abiword,etc.)
15:56:08 <ochosi> astraljava: +1
15:57:31 <astraljava> pleia2: Are you free to do some release note writing with me and knome?
15:57:40 <bluesabre> Sweet, broken icons
15:57:53 <pleia2> astraljava: yep
15:58:13 <astraljava> Okay, then I guess we can release.
15:58:17 <ochosi> nice
15:58:24 <astraljava> #info The team decides to release Alpha-2
15:58:41 <astraljava> #action astraljava, pleia2, knome to write release notes
15:58:41 * meetingology astraljava, pleia2, knome to write release notes
15:58:51 <astraljava> ..
15:58:57 <bluesabre> Next Thursday is going to be fun
15:59:23 <ochosi> ok, what about the next meeting? same time next week?
15:59:33 <astraljava> +1
15:59:44 <bluesabre> +1
15:59:56 <ochosi> (oh, actually i just see in my calendar now that it probably won't be possible for me to attend :( )
16:00:05 <ochosi> astraljava: then you'll get your chance to chair ;)
16:00:09 <astraljava> ACK
16:00:58 <hobgoblin> :)
16:01:34 <ochosi> i just see now that you voted for bi-weekly meetings last time?
16:01:51 <astraljava> Yes, but today was special due to Alpha-2 next week.
16:02:07 <pleia2> having a meeting the day before alpha2 is probably good
16:02:07 <ochosi> and next time will be special due to the same reason i guess :)
16:02:10 <ochosi> yeah
16:02:13 <ochosi> ok
16:02:21 <pleia2> I'll add it to the calendar
16:02:30 <hobgoblin> lot's of special reasons then
16:02:50 <ochosi> #info Next Xubuntu community meeting at 27th of June, at 15UTC
16:03:01 <ochosi> pleia2: thanks
16:03:02 <astraljava> Well, technically next week falls into the schedule. Milestones cause special events.
16:03:12 <ochosi> righty, i guess that was it
16:03:23 <ochosi> thanks for your attendance everyone!
16:03:36 <ochosi> #endmeeting