#title #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting Meeting started by knome at 17:00:17 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-02-01-17.00.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Business carried on *Review the 'default shortcut keys' -blueprint (knome, 17:00:51) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys (knome, 17:02:10) Anyone: give feedback about proposed default shortcuts (knome, 17:07:32) *Team updates *Packaging and Development (knome, 17:08:32) The Shimmer Project themes are about to be moved from murrine-themes to shimmer-themes (knome, 17:10:17) mr_pouit fixed some xfce4-power-manager bugs (micahg, 17:11:17) there's an updated synaptic with some bug fixes from Debian, but it failed to build, I'll fix it after alpha2 (micahg, 17:12:24) new ristretto with bugfixes syncd (micahg, 17:12:40) if there are any package version updates people want, Feature Freeze is Feb 16, so ideally we should do it before then (micahg, 17:13:31) *Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation (knome, 17:14:06) Testing the Alpha2 milestones this week (knome, 17:15:53) Desktop images are being rebuilt now. Alternates may be rebuilt yet (knome, 17:16:05) Need help getting these tested as they rebuild. The newest ones should be 20120201.1 (knome, 17:16:13) ''ACTION:'' knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming (knome, 17:18:45) *Marketing, Artwork and Website (knome, 17:21:47) knome and I have finished up the edits required to go live with the new wordpress website (pleia2, 17:22:30) there are some content edits we may want, but I don't want to wait on those because there will probably always be content edits (pleia2, 17:22:59) some content edits todo: developertools/, press/, about/ (knome, 17:23:35) ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! (knome, 17:26:25) ''ACTION:'' knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed (knome, 17:32:30) there is a wallpaper draft at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft9.png (knome, 17:34:26) any feedback is welcome in the following week (knome, 17:34:56) if everything seems fine, we'll formally decide about using the wallpaper in the meeting next week (knome, 17:35:46) *General updates (knome, 17:36:28) *Announcements Xubuntu LTS proposal for 3-year LTS releases is accepted. (knome, 17:38:34) *Other business *Open action items from previous meeting (knome, 17:38:58) ''ACTION:'' GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker (knome, 17:39:25) This action item will be removed in the next meeting if no issues are raised. (knome, 17:39:53) knome to keep investigating possibilities of getting Ubiquity "application sets" included is done - astraljava is working on it (knome, 17:41:01) ''ACTION:'' micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise (knome, 17:41:29) ''ACTION:'' micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue (knome, 17:41:56) ''ACTION:'' ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu (knome, 17:42:24) Meeting next week is postponed to 18UTC. (knome, 17:45:08) ''ACTION:'' knome to inform the devel ML about the changes (knome, 17:45:19) Meeting ended at 17:45:29 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming * pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! * knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed * GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker * micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise * micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue * ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu * knome to inform the devel ML about the changes == Action items, by person == * knome ** knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming ** knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed ** knome to inform the devel ML about the changes * micahg ** micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise ** micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue * pleia2 ** pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! ** knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed * **UNASSIGNED** ** GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker ** ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu == People present (lines said) == * knome (86) * charlie-tca (20) * pleia2 (18) * meetingology (11) * micahg (6) * kurapika (2) * astraljava (2) * scott-work (2) * Unit193 (1) == Full Log == 17:00:17 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 17:00:17 Meeting started Wed Feb 1 17:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 17:00:17 17:00:17 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:00:36 #topic Business carried on 17:00:51 #subtopic Review the 'default shortcut keys' -blueprint 17:01:18 since Sysi has been busy with army, we have partly taken care of this with ochosi 17:01:59 we are most probably going to postpone most xfce-shortcuts until P+1, but there are some application shortcuts we'd like to introduce 17:02:10 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys 17:02:21 see bottom of the page 17:02:49 Does anyone besides Unity use Super key shortcuts? 17:03:37 i don't know. that's one of the controversial things about the xfce-shortcut keys, but i think super would fit well for application shortcuts 17:03:42 super+T for terminal is so great ;) 17:04:01 you don't "miss" anything even if you didn't have the super key 17:04:22 and, the idea is of course to bind the keys to exo-launchers, not the specific apps 17:04:29 But if you used ctrl or alt, anyone would have them? 17:04:30 so they will follow the default apps 17:05:08 charlie-tca, sure, except those keys might have overlapping shortcuts, like alt+f opens the file-menu 17:05:28 oups :P 17:07:03 anyway, one more week for feedback 17:07:32 #info Anyone: give feedback about proposed default shortcuts 17:08:00 we aren't in hurry with decisions, but i wouldn't want to postpone this over and over again 17:08:25 #topic Team updates 17:08:32 #subtopic Packaging and Development 17:08:39 micahg, mr_pouit 17:08:47 (and please use #info) 17:10:17 #info The Shimmer Project themes are about to be moved from murrine-themes to shimmer-themes 17:11:17 #info mr_pouit fixed some xfce4-power-manager bugs 17:12:24 #info there's an updated synaptic with some bug fixes from Debian, but it failed to build, I'll fix it after alpha2 17:12:40 #info new ristretto with bugfixes syncd 17:13:31 #info if there are any package version updates people want, Feature Freeze is Feb 16, so ideally we should do it before then 17:13:32 .. 17:13:55 thanks micahg :) 17:14:06 #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation 17:14:58 charlie-tca, Unit193 17:15:12 Testing the Alpha2 milestones this week 17:15:32 Desktop images are being rebuilt now. Alternates may be rebuilt yet 17:15:53 #info Testing the Alpha2 milestones this week 17:15:56 Need help getting these tested as they rebuild. The newest ones should be 20120201.1 17:16:05 #info Desktop images are being rebuilt now. Alternates may be rebuilt yet 17:16:13 #info Need help getting these tested as they rebuild. The newest ones should be 20120201.1 17:16:23 * astraljava will try to help with that 17:16:35 .. 17:16:37 charlie-tca, is there anything you need help from the developer/artwork/etc side? 17:16:37 .. 17:16:57 Just synced them tooll {..} 17:17:14 charlie-tca, also, is maybe-ubiquity ubuntu-branded? (do you need that to be xubuntu-branded) 17:17:16 We need help getting the tests done. I don't think anything matters much if we don't get them tested 17:17:52 We don't need anything changed until after alpha2 now. Then, yes, maybe-ubiquity is purple 17:17:57 yeah, agreed. are you far behind? 17:18:13 We are at no tests done if everything gets rebuilt 17:18:25 mmh :/ 17:18:31 true 17:18:45 #action knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming 17:18:45 * meetingology knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming 17:19:12 and we have until what, about 3AM UTC to be done 17:20:30 mmh 17:21:02 i'm trying to get maybe-ubiquity rethemed before FF, can't promise more 17:21:13 so before that, no need to worry about that 17:21:19 mr_pouit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.preinst 17:21:38 mr_pouit: shoudl the last section see if "12.04" is the equivalent release? 17:21:47 #subtopic Marketing, Artwork and Website 17:21:53 pleia2! :) 17:21:55 oh goodie :) 17:22:02 so, big news on the website front! 17:22:10 use #info please ;) 17:22:30 #info knome and I have finished up the edits required to go live with the new wordpress website 17:22:59 #info there are some content edits we may want, but I don't want to wait on those because there will probably always be content edits 17:23:19 so it's time to decide, want to go live with wp.xubuntu.org replacement for the old drupal xubuntu.org? :) 17:23:33 not sure if we should discuss, vote, or what 17:23:35 #info some content edits todo: developertools/, press/, about/ 17:23:59 if anybody has objections, please let them out now 17:24:19 if there is no objections, we will let the IS move the site to production 17:24:21 Is it really a question, since we have not been updating the current site awaiting the new one? 17:24:41 charlie-tca: I've kept up with important edits on both sites 17:24:43 not really, except if there is some clear shortcomings on the new site 17:24:49 or bugs that need fixed 17:25:00 (bug fixes have gone to both, for instance) 17:25:03 but there should be none, unless we've both missed them 17:25:16 But we have been waiting a year or so to get the new site up? 17:25:37 yes, and now we're finally pretty much bugfree and ready ;) 17:25:40 we've been working on it for over 8 months, yeah 17:25:45 i'm all for pushing it to production 17:26:02 +1 17:26:25 #action pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! 17:26:25 * meetingology pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! 17:26:30 great :) 17:26:56 pleia2, if you have time after the meeting, we could go through some issues with the site 17:26:59 (content) 17:27:10 maybe 17:27:16 ok :) 17:27:23 are we doing an alpha2? 17:27:42 Doesn't that depend on getting it tested? 17:27:42 if so, we need at least some very basic release text for the site 17:28:07 i can help working on that text 17:28:19 We do not have time to run upgrade tests and all the mandatory tests required, since it will be an hour minimum before we have the images now 17:28:31 and a2 is tomorrow 17:29:39 hmm. what do you think? 17:30:14 what was it why we had the respin? 17:30:20 Must be done by 1400 UTC 2 feb 17:30:20 we can continue this discussion later, I was just bringing it up from site/marketing side since I'd need text if we are releasing 17:30:44 pleia2, you free to work on the text as well? 17:32:16 ok 17:32:22 I mean yeah 17:32:30 #action knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed 17:32:30 * meetingology knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed 17:32:40 so, artwork 17:32:40 o/ 17:32:44 charlie-tca, m? 17:33:33 for the release notes... Installing from the cd menu is failing, however, allowing the cd to spin until it stops at "try Xubuntu" "Install Xubuntu" lets it work 17:33:47 for the desktop images 17:33:50 .. 17:33:54 thanks charlie-tca 17:33:57 thanks :) 17:34:26 #info there is a wallpaper draft at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft9.png 17:34:56 #info any feedback is welcome in the following week 17:35:46 #info if everything seems fine, we'll formally decide about using the wallpaper in the meeting next week 17:36:28 #subtopic General updates 17:36:45 any general updates? 17:38:07 ok, none 17:38:15 #topic Announcements 17:38:34 #info Xubuntu LTS proposal for 3-year LTS releases is accepted. 17:38:42 #topic Other business 17:38:58 #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting 17:39:25 #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker 17:39:25 * meetingology GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker 17:39:34 is there any, since there hasn't been an update? 17:39:53 #info This action item will be removed in the next meeting if no issues are raised. 17:41:01 #info knome to keep investigating possibilities of getting Ubiquity "application sets" included is done - astraljava is working on it 17:41:29 #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise 17:41:29 * meetingology micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise 17:41:38 i suppose we know this soon... 17:41:56 #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue 17:41:56 * meetingology micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue 17:42:24 #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu 17:42:24 * meetingology ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu 17:42:35 carried 17:42:51 I don't think we have a choice but to use 4.8.x 17:43:01 ...aaaand the website stuff is sorted out :) 17:43:24 micahg, i suppose ochosi wanted to know some specific lib versions, but he can follow-up with you on that 17:43:41 any other business we'd like to raise? 17:44:53 err, right 17:45:08 #info Meeting next week is postponed to 18UTC. 17:45:19 #action knome to inform the devel ML about the changes 17:45:19 * meetingology knome to inform the devel ML about the changes 17:45:23 -s :P 17:45:26 #nedmeeting 17:45:29 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)