18:01:13 <ochosi> #startmeeting
18:01:13 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan  9 18:01:13 2012 UTC.  The chair is ochosi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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18:01:44 <ochosi> since we have no business from last time, i'll go straight to the team updates
18:01:54 <ochosi> #topic Packaging and Development
18:02:09 <ochosi> micahg, mr_pouit: are you here?
18:02:44 <mr_pouit> I just arrived home, so I'm nto ready, sorry :<
18:03:06 <ochosi> mr_pouit: shall we get back to this topic later?
18:03:11 <ochosi> mr_pouit: or: when would you be ready?
18:03:43 <mr_pouit> I don't have much to say anyway: the usual amount of bugfix uploads this week
18:04:04 <ochosi> shall i say something about xfdesktop?
18:04:16 <mr_pouit> (I need some testing to be done, so I need to follow up by mail on xubuntu-devel)
18:04:20 <mr_pouit> mmh, as you wish
18:04:29 <ochosi> ok, you can still post to the ml
18:04:56 <ochosi> #info mr_pouit has applied some long-standing patches from bugzilla.xfce.org to xfdesktop for precise
18:05:32 <ochosi> #info since it isn't maintained upstream at the moment (devs are waiting for the desktop to become a thunar-extension) it makes sense to patch it for xubuntu downstream
18:06:04 <ochosi> #info among the patches is e.g. (rudimentary) thumbnail-support for the desktop
18:06:15 <ochosi> micahg: anything from your side?
18:07:28 <micahg> not really
18:08:34 <ochosi> ok, then let's move on
18:08:51 <ochosi> #topic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation
18:09:05 <ochosi> charlie-tca: any updates from your side?
18:10:54 <ochosi> Unit193: anything from testing?
18:11:09 <micahg> ochosi: see backscroll before the meeting
18:11:37 <ochosi> micahg: thanks, missed that
18:12:27 <knome> o/
18:12:31 <ochosi> #info testing is ongoing, charlie-tca tests the images daily. it would be nice to have more people involved in that
18:12:44 <ochosi> #chair knome
18:12:44 <meetingology> Current chairs: knome ochosi
18:12:46 <Unit193> \o
18:13:00 <ochosi> #link Results are always posted at  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/204/builds
18:13:19 <ochosi> Unit193: any updates from your side? (feel free to use #info)
18:13:30 <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity will land on images tomorrow, testers note: please check if everything looks as should
18:13:41 <Unit193> Currectly too big to fit on a CD
18:14:00 <Unit193> *Currently
18:14:18 <knome> yeah, but isn't that known?
18:14:28 <Unit193> Should be
18:14:31 <knome> micahg asked if that's a problem for anybody, and nobody said anything
18:14:39 <knome> it's because python stuff
18:15:08 <knome> ochosi, can you continue chairing for a bit more? :)
18:15:27 <ochosi> sure
18:15:42 <knome> thanks
18:15:44 <ochosi> np
18:16:35 <ochosi> #info Xfce have launched new documentation in a wiki (docs.xfce.org)
18:17:07 <ochosi> #info From Xfce 4.10 onwards the help-button will point there, which will also mean no docs for people who are offline
18:17:52 <ochosi> #link the docs are already accessible at http://docs.xfce.org/
18:18:08 <ochosi> #info it would be nice if people from Xubuntu could also contribute
18:18:23 <ochosi> #topic Marketing, Artwork and Website
18:18:32 <ochosi> pleia2: you there?
18:18:44 <pleia2> #info we're going to hold off on completing every single content update before going live
18:19:11 <pleia2> #info there are still some struture things knome is working through, once those are done we should be in a position to launch the new wordpress site
18:19:39 <pleia2> we should plan some time soon to review the final structure things
18:19:54 <ochosi> do you want to send an email to the ml for that?
18:20:06 <knome> i added some comments to the about/-page draft today
18:20:08 <ochosi> i mean possibly that should already contain a datetime for the review
18:21:07 <pleia2> we still need to get through some of the items we discussed
18:21:19 <pleia2> once we're finished with all those we can toss it to the list for final final review :)
18:22:27 <ochosi> ok, sounds good
18:22:52 <ochosi> feel free to add an #action for yourselves if you feel like it (knome,pleia2)
18:23:32 <pleia2> #action pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome
18:23:32 * meetingology pleia2 to review outstanding structure issues and follow-up with knome
18:24:07 <ochosi> ok, in terms of artwork there aren't really big news from my side
18:24:33 <knome> well, maybe-ubiquity is in ;)
18:24:35 <ochosi> #info ochosi plans to do a sprint to port finish porting Bluebird to gtk3 in early february
18:24:38 <knome> that should improve the artwork xp
18:24:44 <ochosi> true
18:24:58 <ochosi> although i haven't seen it yet :)
18:25:16 <knome> it should be looking the same as the ubuntu livecd boot process does
18:26:16 <ochosi> never seen that :}
18:26:36 <knome> hehe, me neither, but some testers maybe
18:27:16 <ochosi> ok, i think that's about it from this section
18:27:24 <ochosi> #topic General updates
18:27:31 <ochosi> anyone? ^
18:27:39 <knome> #info Xubuntu LTS plan forwarded to Technical Board
18:28:31 <knome> i suppose that's it :)
18:28:51 <ochosi> k :)
18:29:03 <knome> i can take over now
18:29:09 <knome> #topic Announcements
18:29:12 <ochosi> ok, go ahead
18:29:17 <knome> #subtopic maybe-ubiquity
18:29:31 <knome> #info maybe-ubiquity has landed in Precise Pangolin images, thanks to cjwatson. Testers: Please test all the images ASAP and see if everything looks okay.
18:29:36 <knome> #topic Other business
18:29:49 <knome> #subtopic Review blueprints that need community approval
18:30:26 <knome> #info New wallpaper: Some drafts still at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/, any feedback appreciated
18:30:47 <ochosi> should we vote on the blueprint?
18:31:03 <ochosi> zebra is really really flashy :)
18:31:12 <knome> probably not yet, as there isn't any serious proposals
18:31:13 <madnick> i like zebra
18:31:27 <ochosi> ok
18:31:41 <ochosi> i thought we have to vote on whether there'll be a new wp in general :)
18:31:58 <knome> hehe, right
18:32:18 <knome> #vote New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
18:32:18 <meetingology> Please vote on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
18:32:18 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
18:32:21 <knome> +1
18:32:21 <meetingology> +1 received from knome
18:32:27 <ochosi> +1
18:32:27 <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
18:33:16 <madnick> +1
18:33:16 <meetingology> +1 received from madnick
18:33:46 <pleia2> +1
18:33:46 <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
18:33:58 <knome> #endvote
18:33:58 <meetingology> Voting ended on: New wallpaper: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)
18:33:58 <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
18:33:58 <meetingology> Motion carried
18:34:07 <micahg> +0
18:34:10 <knome> heh
18:34:11 <knome> :)
18:34:12 <knome> too late
18:34:32 <knome> #info: Ubiquity "application sets": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets has the spec
18:34:59 <ochosi> again: does this really need "approval" (as in: vote)?
18:35:09 <knome> yeah, i thought we could do that
18:35:15 <ochosi> k :)
18:35:15 <micahg> sorry, still getting used to IRC on my phone
18:35:44 <knome> #vote Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
18:35:44 <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
18:35:44 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
18:35:48 <knome> frrt
18:35:50 <knome> yeah -1 for nay
18:35:51 <knome> +1
18:35:51 <meetingology> +1 received from knome
18:36:02 <ochosi> +1
18:36:02 <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
18:38:20 <micahg> -1, seems like more work than it's worth
18:38:20 <meetingology> -1, seems like more work than it's worth received from micahg
18:38:46 <ochosi> micahg: what has to be done exactly?
18:39:42 <knome> micahg, i'm working on it with stgraber who created this feature in the first place, and we can most probably cooperate much with ubuntu studio too
18:40:33 <micahg> idk, I just don't see those delineations as useful to xubuntu
18:40:54 <knome> i think accessible vs. normal is quite a good idea
18:41:08 <knome> if it proves to be too much work, we'll vote again, ok? :)
18:41:10 <ochosi> also: xfce-only/slim vs. xubuntu-comfy/normal
18:41:35 <knome> mm, yeah
18:42:04 <knome> i mean, of course there has to be constant evaluation against things
18:42:34 <knome> anyway, is there something else?
18:42:48 <knome> #endvote
18:42:48 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubiquity "application sets" as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets: Yay (+1) or nay (1
18:42:48 <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0
18:42:48 <meetingology> Motion carried
18:45:14 <knome> #action knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
18:45:14 * meetingology knome to keep on investigating stuff under constant evaluation - if it proves to be a bit too much work, vote again
18:45:40 <knome> #subtopic Default shortcut keys: Sysi not available, will carry on one more time :)
18:45:55 <knome> #subtopic Discussion and guidance on other blueprints
18:45:58 <knome> anybody?
18:47:46 <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meetings
18:48:03 <knome> #action GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
18:48:03 * meetingology GridGube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
18:48:10 <knome> #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
18:48:10 * meetingology micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
18:48:19 <knome> #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
18:48:19 * meetingology micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
18:48:26 <knome> #action     ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
18:48:26 * meetingology ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
18:48:39 <knome> pleia2, new sticker design is at wiki?
18:49:24 <pleia2> knome: unfortunately the design didn't come out perfect on the stickers
18:49:30 <knome> oh, okay
18:49:40 <knome> so no need to copy the action item either :(
18:49:44 <knome> #endmeeting