#title #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting Meeting started by knome at 17:03:05 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-12-29-17.03.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Xubuntu LTS plan Plan draft prepared by micahg is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan (knome, 17:03:31) LTS plan accepted (knome, 17:05:31) ''ACTION:'' knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board (knome, 17:06:35) *Meeting times Next meeting will be held at January 9, 2012 at 17UTC. (knome, 17:07:11) Following meetings will be scheduled for Wednesdays and/or Thursdays if at all possible. (knome, 17:07:42) Meetings will take place once per two weeks; more often if needed and shortly before release (knome, 17:09:05) *Team updates *Marketing, Artwork (knome, 17:09:30) Greybird's gtk3 is stable and practically ready for release (ochosi, 17:09:57) Feedback and testing is much appreciated (ochosi, 17:10:11) Porting of Bluebird is proceeding, but rather slowly (ochosi, 17:10:32) For testing use the download-function of our github-repository (https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/downloads) and extract the tarball to ~/.themes (ochosi, 17:12:10) then change the gtk-theme to "Greybird" (ochosi, 17:12:20) Website is nearly ready, theme is going to get a few improvements and the content still needs more reviewing - ask pleia2 for more information (knome, 17:13:01) ''ACTION:'' micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible (knome, 17:14:27) ''ACTION:'' pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design (knome, 17:16:03) ''ACTION:'' micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue (knome, 17:16:30) *Packaging, Development (knome, 17:17:01) mr_pouit has been uploading newer versions of xfce components in Debian (micahg, 17:19:33) we should get them synced over next week (micahg, 17:19:56) and64 live ISO is oversized. if it's a problem, ping micahg (knome, 17:22:25) Can be fixed by dropping a language for example (knome, 17:22:49) PAE kernel is the default in precise now (micahg, 17:23:41) to change to PAE on vbox read here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-processor (GridCube, 17:26:30) ''ACTION:'' ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu (knome, 17:27:20) *Bug Triage, Testing (knome, 17:29:35) not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind (GridCube, 17:30:39) ''ACTION:'' charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season (knome, 17:32:24) ''ACTION:'' GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles (knome, 17:36:30) *General updates (knome, 17:36:42) No other updates for now. (knome, 17:37:48) *Review blueprints that need community approval *New wallpaper (knome) (knome, 17:38:09) Some drafts are at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/ (knome, 17:38:27) Feedback and ideas are welcome, PM knome or send email (knome, 17:38:50) Will get back to this thing later (knome, 17:39:09) *Ubiquity "application sets" (knome, 17:39:18) Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets (knome, 17:39:34) If you know accessibility packages well, please list them at the wikipage so we know what we should install with the accessibility set but not with the others (knome, 17:40:18) Voting for the specification in the next meeting (knome, 17:40:41) *Default shortcut keys (Sysi) (knome, 17:40:57) Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys. Please add comments to the comments section. (knome, 17:41:41) Will get back to this item later (knome, 17:41:49) *Clean themes list (knome) (knome, 17:41:59) Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/CleanThemes (knome, 17:42:11) Please add comments to the comments section. (knome, 17:42:46) Voting and more discussion about single themes in the next meeting (knome, 17:43:21) *Discussion and guidance on any other blueprints Default media player -blueprint is postponed to P+1 (knome, 17:43:53) *Any other business (knome, 17:45:24) ''ACTION:'' knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP (knome, 17:45:43) Meeting ended at 17:45:46 UTC. == Votes == * LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? For: 5 Against: 0 Abstained: 0 == Action items == * knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board * micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible * pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design * micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue * ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu * charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season * GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles * knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP == Action items, by person == * GridCube ** GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles * knome ** knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board ** GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles ** knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP * micahg ** knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board ** micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible ** micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue * ochosi ** ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu * pleia2 ** pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design == People present (lines said) == * knome (103) * ochosi (30) * GridCube (23) * micahg (22) * meetingology (21) * pleia2 (6) * astraljava (1) == Full Log == 17:03:05 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 17:03:05 Meeting started Thu Dec 29 17:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 17:03:05 17:03:05 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:03:10 #topic Xubuntu LTS plan 17:03:31 #info Plan draft prepared by micahg is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan 17:03:51 Any comments before we vote yay/nay ? 17:04:21 not really 17:04:27 yay 17:04:27 (from my side) 17:04:32 i like it 17:04:40 #vote LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? 17:04:40 Please vote on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? 17:04:40 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 17:04:44 +1 17:04:44 +1 received from knome 17:04:47 +1 17:04:47 +1 received from ochosi 17:04:50 +1 17:04:50 +1 received from GridCube 17:05:02 +1 17:05:02 +1 received from micahg 17:05:11 anyone else? 17:05:11 +1 17:05:11 +1 received from astraljava 17:05:17 i think that's it 17:05:21 #endvote 17:05:21 Voting ended on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? 17:05:21 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 17:05:21 Motion carried 17:05:26 :) 17:05:31 #info LTS plan accepted 17:05:40 micahg, will you forward that to somebody who needs it? 17:06:05 (tech board?) 17:06:09 knome: a formal proposal needs to be made to the Tech Board, as project lead, I think that should be you 17:06:13 okay 17:06:33 I should be around for the meeting though 17:06:35 #action knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board 17:06:35 * meetingology knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board 17:06:48 #topic Meeting times 17:07:11 #info Next meeting will be held at January 9, 2012 at 17UTC. 17:07:31 mmkay 17:07:42 #info Following meetings will be scheduled for Wednesdays and/or Thursdays if at all possible. 17:07:58 4 hours before the tech board meeting? 17:08:06 micahg, is that bad ? :) 17:08:12 not necessarily :) 17:08:16 micahg, wasn't aware of the TB meeting, but that sounds quite good 17:08:27 micahg, i mean, we already accepted the lts plan so it's ready already 17:09:05 #info Meetings will take place once per two weeks; more often if needed and shortly before release 17:09:22 #topic Team updates 17:09:30 #subtopic Marketing, Artwork 17:09:32 ochosi, 17:09:38 ochosi, please use #info 17:09:41 okeydokey 17:09:57 #info Greybird's gtk3 is stable and practically ready for release 17:10:11 #info Feedback and testing is much appreciated 17:10:32 #info Porting of Bluebird is proceeding, but rather slowly 17:10:38 how to test? (quick instructions) 17:10:51 in #info? 17:10:56 ochosi, yes please :) 17:11:02 k :) 17:12:10 #info For testing use the download-function of our github-repository (https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/downloads) and extract the tarball to ~/.themes 17:12:15 thanks 17:12:19 anything else? 17:12:20 #info then change the gtk-theme to "Greybird" 17:12:38 hm, our icon-theme needs a bit of testing and the panel-layout should be discussed a bit 17:13:01 #info Website is nearly ready, theme is going to get a few improvements and the content still needs more reviewing - ask pleia2 for more information 17:13:14 ochosi, can you add that to the next meeting agenda? 17:13:16 would also be nice to know which versions of xfce-packages get included 17:13:32 we'll probably do some of the content review after we publish, I'd really like to get the site out sooner than later 17:13:36 yes, but not now, my connection is far too bad for editing the ubuntu-wiki ;) 17:13:43 k, sorry, i might be out now... :( 17:13:51 ochosi, yeah, and the next agenda is not even up yet. :) 17:13:58 ochosi, no problem, see you later 17:14:05 (using a mobile-phone connection of a friend and she's on the phone now...) 17:14:27 #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible 17:14:27 * meetingology micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible 17:14:39 pleia2, agreed. 17:14:50 anything else on marketing or artwork? 17:15:13 oh, actually: is that thunderbird-bug fixed? 17:15:15 cc_INC made more stickers, with a slightly different design :) 17:15:26 that''s kinda testing/artwork, not sure which :) 17:15:34 ochosi: no, not yet, but thanks for the reminder :) 17:15:34 pleia2: nice, link? 17:15:46 no link yet, he'll be getting me photos and the design this weekend so I'll add them to the marketing page 17:15:52 nice! 17:15:56 micahg: ok, good to know. for the lts it would be nice, otherwise i could also try to fix it in the theme somehow 17:16:03 #action pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design 17:16:03 * meetingology pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design 17:16:07 pleia2: sounds nice! 17:16:25 ochosi: no, we can get it fixed upstream, I just need to file it 17:16:30 #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue 17:16:30 * meetingology micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue 17:16:36 k, thanks! 17:16:46 sry guys, i'm afraid i g2g :( 17:16:49 let's move on 17:16:54 ochosi, no problem :) 17:16:57 i'll read the logs tomorrow or next year ;) 17:17:01 #subtopic Packaging, Development 17:17:10 ochosi, we'll have the nice minutes from #info 17:17:16 micahg, mr_pouit ? 17:19:33 #info mr_pouit has been uploading newer versions of xfce components in Debian 17:19:46 ooh 17:19:50 when will they land in xubuntu? 17:19:56 #info we should get them synced over next week 17:20:26 good 17:20:34 do they need more careful testing than usually? 17:20:45 I don't think so, they're just point releases 17:20:53 okay 17:21:08 we have an issue that the amd64 live ISO is oversized, does anyone care 17:21:08 anything else from your side? :) 17:21:25 i care if it's oversized on release, but not now ;) 17:21:35 it's still that python issue? 17:21:41 right, I'm wondering about now if it impedes testing 17:21:43 and that will be resolved later? 17:22:09 well, there weren't problems earlier, so until somebody says anything about it, i don't think it matters 17:22:17 well, we need to drop a language or something else to make it fit again, I don't think it'll be fixed on the backend, but I can check again 17:22:22 oh, i got a weird message the other day on a vbox 17:22:25 #info and64 live ISO is oversized. if it's a problem, ping micahg 17:22:40 that works :) 17:22:49 #info Can be fixed by dropping a language for example 17:23:02 hm, from my (artwork) perspective: can we cherry-pick git-commits (e.g. in xfwm4) for xubuntu from upstream? 17:23:08 the alternate iso did not wantt o install untill i activated PAE on the vbox machine, said "i need PAE wont install without it" or something like that 17:23:15 I've been trying to keep our build failures clean, that's easy when there are no new uploads :-/ 17:23:26 GridCube: right, PAE is the default kernel in precise 17:23:32 * micahg guesses that's worth an info 17:23:41 #info PAE kernel is the default in precise now 17:23:56 can you also add info on how to switch (it that's possible) 17:24:16 GridCube probably could, there's a toggle in the settings somewhere 17:24:32 ? 17:24:52 oh yes 17:24:55 thats easy 17:25:02 GridCube, will you add an #info for that? 17:25:10 micahg: sry to ask you again, but the cherry-picking from upstream, is that an option? 17:25:25 ochosi: Thunderbird? 17:25:43 micahg: no, xfwm4 (there were two theming-relevant commits lately) 17:26:07 not sure there'll be a 4.8.x release with those soon enough for our release, that's why i'm asking 17:26:30 #info to change to PAE on vbox read here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-processor 17:26:31 ochosi: possible, yes, if relevant to Debian as well, please file the bug there and let mr_pouit know, otherwise I can do it in Ubuntu 17:26:59 micahg: ok, sounds good. i'll check with xfce-devs also to get some release-date info 17:27:20 #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu 17:27:20 * meetingology ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu 17:27:30 anything else from pkgs/dev ? 17:27:35 ochosi: we can do a 0-day sync from unstable if we need to get more testing in for something, but I've been letting most things migrate to testing 17:28:33 micahg: ok, well the commits aren't dramatic anyway, but e.g. larger alt-tab icons by default might be nice (64px instead of 48px) 17:29:35 #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing 17:29:41 GridCube, ? 17:30:19 not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind 17:30:28 can you post that with #info 17:30:39 #info not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind 17:30:53 also, would you be willing to call for more testers from the mailing lists and irc when you have some time? 17:31:09 i mean, wouldn't that fix the problem with getting behind 17:31:11 in my opinion the qa tracker is not very nice, its confusing 17:31:39 i'm not really fmailiar with it 17:31:42 some instructions for testing would be nice, maybe even one we add as a blog post ;) 17:31:53 pleia2, yeah, not a bad idea 17:32:01 charlie said he would be willing to help write one after the holidays 17:32:03 and it doesnt seem to do the things we would like to, like seeing what tests where done, or what the results where, i don't know 17:32:07 pleia2, okay, nice 17:32:24 #action charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season 17:32:24 * meetingology charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season 17:32:24 yes. charlie said he hopes to be back after the hollidays 17:33:51 GridCube, can you gather a list of the problems you see in the QA tracker and take them to somebody who is running it or to me? 17:35:48 yes 17:35:49 i can 17:35:58 thanks 17:36:30 #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles 17:36:30 * meetingology GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles 17:36:42 #subtopic General updates 17:36:45 anything elese? 17:36:47 -e 17:37:12 :D i got a nice present by pleia2 with xubuntu stickers :P 17:37:24 me too. thanks pleia2! 17:37:24 i don't know if thats relevant but i liked them :D 17:37:31 you're welcome :) 17:37:38 not really something for the meeting minutes, but yeah 17:37:48 #info No other updates for now. 17:38:01 #topic Review blueprints that need community approval 17:38:09 #subtopic New wallpaper (knome) 17:38:27 #info Some drafts are at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/ 17:38:50 #info Feedback and ideas are welcome, PM knome or send email 17:39:09 #info Will get back to this thing later 17:39:13 :) i like the last one 17:39:18 #subtopic Ubiquity "application sets" 17:39:34 #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets 17:40:18 #info If you know accessibility packages well, please list them at the wikipage so we know what we should install with the accessibility set but not with the others 17:40:41 #info Voting for the specification in the next meeting 17:40:57 #subtopic Default shortcut keys (Sysi) 17:41:20 he doesn't seem to be online 17:41:41 #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys. Please add comments to the comments section. 17:41:49 #info Will get back to this item later 17:41:59 #subtopic Clean themes list (knome) 17:42:11 #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/CleanThemes 17:42:46 #info Please add comments to the comments section. 17:43:21 #info Voting and more discussion about single themes in the next meeting 17:43:39 #topic Discussion and guidance on any other blueprints 17:43:53 #info Default media player -blueprint is postponed to P+1 17:43:56 anything else? 17:44:15 no, just sorry for not gettingit on time 17:44:24 no problem 17:44:37 + i was referring to possible need for help with other blueprints ;) 17:44:53 :) 17:45:24 #subtopic Any other business 17:45:43 #action knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP 17:45:43 * meetingology knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP 17:45:46 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)