#title #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Community Meeting Meeting started by knome at 21:59:57 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-11-07-21.59.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Old Business *Top 10 FAQ for the new website (knome, 22:02:42) *madnick: Build a lightdm greeter (knome, 22:03:51) ''LINK:'' http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm (madnick, 22:04:05) ''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/a/shimmerproject.org/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1 (knome, 22:05:10) madnick is working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, reading docs (knome, 22:06:29) *Ristretto as default image viewer (knome, 22:09:35) Ristretto has got many updates lately (nearly a complete rewrite) (knome, 22:10:06) Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features (ochosi, 22:11:07) Thumbnailbar problems have been fixed, redesign is in progress (knome, 22:12:33) Ristretto can display svg (ochosi, 22:14:47) ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto (charlie-tca, 22:15:41) ''ACTION:'' ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back (knome, 22:17:53) *"maybe-ubiquity" option (knome, 22:18:24) Will get back to the issue in the next meeting (knome, 22:19:18) *Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS (knome, 22:19:33) Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. (knome, 22:21:22) There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. (knome, 22:21:37) ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. (charlie-tca, 22:21:39) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. (knome, 22:21:52) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). (knome, 22:23:48) ''ACTION:'' Developers to read documents in the URLs linked (knome, 22:24:09) ''ACTION:'' knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this (knome, 22:24:30) Discussion will continue next week (knome, 22:24:39) *Team updates *Packaging, Development (knome, 22:24:53) Nothing big this week: xfce4-indicator-plugin fixed in oneiric-updates for some open issues, and micahg did some syncs from debian testing (mr_pouit, 22:26:31) *Bug Triage, Testing (knome, 22:29:52) all testing will now be coordinated through the QA ISO tracker, including daily testing (charlie-tca, 22:30:20) New process for images... if you break it, you fix it, and you get 3 hours (charlie-tca, 22:30:43) we will start our daily testing between 24 and 28 November (charlie-tca, 22:31:09) *Website, Documentation (knome, 22:34:55) Finishing touches are made for the website (knome, 22:35:14) Discussion about website content at the developer mailing list, will give people at least a week to share their ideas and drafts (knome, 22:35:57) ''ACTION:'' knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week (knome, 22:37:37) *Marketing, Artwork (knome, 22:37:53) madnick works on Plymouth and lightdm to create a nice booting experience; we follow the artistic specification created for Oneiric (knome, 22:38:52) ochosi has created a dark style for xfce4-datetime-plugin http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11072011-113830pm.php (ochosi, 22:39:18) A patched version is available for testing in the shimmer PPA (thanks to mr_pouit). You'll need Greybird from git though. (ochosi, 22:39:53) New website needs dynamic content, see the message on developer mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-October/008004.html (knome, 22:40:34) Ideas for the new website content, including drafts, should be sent to the developer mailing list, and you can use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts too (knome, 22:42:22) ''ACTION:'' Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi (knome, 22:44:30) *Announcements No (other) announcements. (knome, 22:46:12) *Other Business *Xubuntu brainstorming day/weekend (knome, 22:46:32) ''IDEA:'' Schedule a daay or two for Xubuntu brainstorming, and create the blueprints for the release during those days (knome, 22:55:17) This should be done before UDS in the next cycles, but since we are already late, we will have to stick with this timeframe (knome, 22:55:42) ''ACTION:'' knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best (knome, 22:56:40) ''ACTION:'' ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea (knome, 22:57:57) Discussion will continue on the mailing list and the following community meetings after the wikipage and the Doodle poll is set (knome, 22:58:37) *Contributor check (knome, 22:59:32) ''ACTION:'' knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week (knome, 22:59:32) *Meeting times (knome, 22:59:36) Will be discussed at the next meeting. The next meeting is at Sunday, November 13 at 22UTC. (knome, 23:00:32) *Any other business (knome, 23:00:50) Meeting ended at 23:02:02 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back * Developers to read documents in the URLs linked * knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this * knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week * Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi * knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best * ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea * knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week == Action items, by person == * charlie-tca ** knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this * knome ** knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this ** knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week ** knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best ** knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week * madnick ** ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back * ochosi ** ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back ** Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi ** ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea == People present (lines said) == * knome (141) * ochosi (72) * charlie-tca (37) * olbi (29) * madnick (18) * meetingology (11) * micahg (10) * mr_pouit (7) * Unit193 (6) * ubottu (2) * daz1 (1) * beardygnome (1) == Full Log == 21:59:57 #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting 21:59:57 Meeting started Mon Nov 7 21:59:57 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 21:59:57 21:59:57 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 22:00:04 hey everybody! 22:00:15 our agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 22:01:03 if you say anything during the meeting, you will be counted as participant 22:01:19 are we all ready, or does somebody need a minute or two? 22:01:34 * madnick is ready 22:02:13 * beardygnome is ready 22:02:14 we are ready :D 22:02:18 okay, great 22:02:25 let's start with our agenda then 22:02:30 #topic Old Business 22:02:42 #subtopic Top 10 FAQ for the new website 22:03:04 GridCube seems to be offline, any updates about this? 22:03:41 okay, nothing... 22:03:51 #subtopic madnick: Build a lightdm greeter 22:03:51 1 sec 22:03:56 It was waiting for a review only 22:03:57 pfew, right on time 22:04:03 :P 22:04:05 http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm 22:04:17 charlie-tca, okay, i'll announce that later 22:04:31 o/ 22:04:40 madnick, wasn't there an other document too? (go ahead) 22:05:03 so short this top 10 questions :P 22:05:04 oh sorry, yes there is other documents, but this was the one i cound find bookmarked, and for the greeter: 22:05:10 https://docs.google.com/a/shimmerproject.org/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=en&pli=1 22:05:57 I am working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, and reading docs, trying to collect all features possbile to make it modular as possible 22:06:20 ok, I think it should be translated to other langs 22:06:29 #info madnick is working on a redesign of the engine, doing UML design, reading docs 22:06:36 madnick, you can use #info too 22:06:46 okay :) 22:06:48 olbi, let's get back to that later. 22:06:56 knome: ok 22:07:02 madnick, is there any draft? 22:07:11 madnick, or are we using the old style? 22:07:33 oh, for the acctual theme, i have not done anything 22:07:38 okay 22:07:50 Just working to make the engine be able to handle all needs 22:07:52 okay 22:07:57 you know more about this next week? 22:08:01 yes 22:08:03 great 22:08:08 I think, the style is good for xubunt website 22:08:52 but it should has some started guide 22:09:09 olbi, are you talking about the website? 22:09:10 for actually supported versions of Xubuntu 22:09:24 knome: yes 22:09:31 olbi, can we get back to other subjects later please 22:09:35 #subtopic Ristretto as default image viewer 22:09:40 my fault :( 22:09:44 comments, anybody? 22:09:49 still buggy? 22:09:55 i've worked a bit with stephen on ristretto 0.3.0 22:10:05 i mean mostly in an advisory and testing position 22:10:06 #info Ristretto has got many updates lately (nearly a complete rewrite) 22:10:27 ochosi, you too can use #info :) 22:10:27 Last I knew you couldn't use arrow keys to browse 22:10:28 it's working great and as far as i'm concerned a lot more as the user would expect 22:10:34 yep 22:10:34 are there some packages for ristretto 0.3 for xubuntu? 22:10:38 that was one of the changes 22:10:41 no, not yet 22:10:49 Great! 22:10:53 any blocking stuff? 22:10:57 when it hits testing it'll be syncs 22:10:59 *synd 22:11:02 # Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features 22:11:07 #info Ristretto has become a lot more stable towards 0.3.0 and at the same time gained new features 22:11:15 what were the blockers again? 22:11:30 using thumbnailbar crashed ristretto :P 22:11:36 and stuff.. 22:11:45 right, no, that's not happening at all now 22:11:50 yep 22:11:56 and a thumbnailbar-redesign is underway 22:11:56 Can ristretto handle svg files? 22:12:12 so that might even happen in time for 12.04 (depending on stephen's bathroom renovation :) ) 22:12:33 #info Thumbnailbar problems have been fixed, redesign is in progress 22:12:44 ochosi, do you know about ristretto and svg? 22:13:01 madnick: not sure, will quickly check (i have git-version here), one sec 22:13:35 if not, what imageviewer we choose? 22:13:48 gthumb is default now 22:14:02 gthumb is really something different imo, it's more a manager than a viewer 22:14:08 gthumb has some extensions that wont work with xubuntu enabled by default 22:14:09 well, we shipped both 22:14:16 olbi, and anybody is free to create a app comparison spec 22:14:29 madnick, yes, but gthumb is default, am i right? :) 22:14:35 micahg, ^ 22:14:39 knome: yes 22:14:41 yep 22:14:46 idr, I thought it was default for some things 22:14:47 #info Ristretto can display svg 22:14:59 i use gpicview but it can't handle svg too :( 22:15:00 any other comments? 22:15:19 can it go forward with arrows? 22:15:29 to other images? 22:15:29 olbi: ristretto? 22:15:32 yes 22:15:33 yes 22:15:34 it can 22:15:38 Looks to me like we still have some critical bugs in it 22:15:39 that was one of the improvements 22:15:40 at least :D 22:15:41 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto 22:15:45 +1 with ochosi, I don't think people should see gthumb as a quick viewer (that's ristretto). With gthumb I guess you can manage your photo collection 22:16:11 charlie-tca: are those reports on a more recent version of ristretto? 22:16:25 0.0.93 22:16:31 I haven't looked at every one to verify the versions 22:16:31 at least the hangs 22:16:36 right, it was totally rewritten 22:16:45 each one will need to be tested against the latest version 22:16:49 those older bugreports most likely don't matter anymore 22:16:55 but yeah, we can test them 22:17:08 ochosi, would you be willing to test those bugs against the new version, and report the outcome? 22:17:29 i could, but not this week (i'm rather busy) 22:17:38 i could compile it and check it 22:17:53 #action ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back 22:17:53 * meetingology ochosi or madnick to test the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto with the latest version, and report back 22:17:54 it's not very difficult, you just have to clone, compile it and then run it from the src-dir with "./ristretto" 22:18:00 okay good 22:18:10 let's continue about this next week when we know more 22:18:24 #subtopic "maybe-ubiquity" option 22:18:31 what is this? who is the assignee? 22:18:47 knome: you might want to defer that testing until next week when we have 0.3.0 22:18:50 The project lead/release manager 22:19:02 okay 22:19:18 #info Will get back to the issue in the next meeting 22:19:33 #subtopic Ubuntu moving to 5-year release schedule for LTS 22:19:37 knome: all those lts items were assigned to project lead 22:19:42 knome: I was talking about ristretto not ubiquity 22:20:01 micahg, ah... 22:20:23 charlie-tca, sure, but i don't know what maybe-ubiquity is from the top of my head so somebody who does should explain it to me first. 22:20:27 should be syncd on the 15/16 22:20:34 so, let's move that to next week too 22:20:42 so somebody will have more time to explain it to me :P 22:20:59 charlie-tca, what did you gather about the 5-year schedule in UDS? 22:21:05 Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. 22:21:09 it's the nice frontendof ubiquity that moves the language and boot selection screen later afaik 22:21:22 #info Xubuntu can choose to have 18 month, three-year, or five-year cycle for Precise. 22:21:23 There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. 22:21:37 #info There are now procedures to have Xubuntu designated as an official LTS release. This has the advantage of allowing the cd images to be rebuilt at each point upgrade. 22:21:39 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. 22:21:52 #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/ tells us what we must do to maintain official derivative status. 22:22:05 Normally, the project lead is also the release manager for Xubuntu. 22:22:11 should we go to DVDs? 22:22:27 If so, I will notify the appropriate people to keep you informed. 22:22:34 I started a release checklist at 22:22:37 Xubuntu Release Manager - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess 22:22:39 LTS 22:23:02 charlie-tca, can we have some time about this together later this week? 22:23:08 and, lastly, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). 22:23:19 sure 22:23:22 great 22:23:36 I will be on and off until about November 24 22:23:48 #info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives tells how to become an official derivative, as well as how to gain the LTS designator (last section). 22:24:09 #action Developers to read documents in the URLs linked 22:24:09 * meetingology Developers to read documents in the URLs linked 22:24:30 #action knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this 22:24:30 * meetingology knome and charlie-tca to get around together about this 22:24:39 #info Discussion will continue next week 22:24:46 #topic Team updates 22:24:53 #subtopic Packaging, Development 22:25:03 please use '#info blahblah' 22:25:24 so we'll get the stuff directly to minutes, and they are easier to pick to the official team reports too 22:25:30 micahg, mr_pouit ? 22:26:31 #info Nothing big this week: xfce4-indicator-plugin fixed in oneiric-updates for some open issues, and micahg did some syncs from debian testing 22:27:04 that's it? :) 22:27:07 mr_pouit: ooh, scrollwheel-stuff and togglebutton is fixed? 22:27:31 yeah, let me find the bug numbers ;> 22:28:01 Bug #852017 and Bug #879928 22:28:03 Launchpad bug 852017 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu Oneiric) "xfce4-indicator-plugin does not update output" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852017 22:28:04 Launchpad bug 879928 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Scrolling the mousewheel over the sound-indicator doesn't adjust the volume" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879928 22:28:16 hm, i have all oneiric updates activated, but it seems i haven't received that update yet... :/ 22:28:23 ooh, nice! 22:28:26 * ochosi is soo keen to get it 22:28:29 good work :) 22:28:45 mr_pouit, you ready? :) 22:29:04 (0.3.1-1ubuntu3.1 is the fixed version. It was accepted 16h ago, so maybe some mirrors haven't updated yet) 22:29:17 * ochosi switches to ubuntu.com servers 22:29:30 knome: that's all, unless micahg has something to add ;-) 22:29:50 nope 22:29:52 #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing 22:30:01 charlie-tca? :) 22:30:15 still pretty quiet for pangolin is it 22:30:20 #info all testing will now be coordinated through the QA ISO tracker, including daily testing 22:30:39 Starting tests Nov 24th, correct? 22:30:43 #info New process for images... if you break it, you fix it, and you get 3 hours 22:30:49 madnick, want to add a few words about the testing system? 22:31:09 #info we will start our daily testing between 24 and 28 November 22:31:18 cool :) 22:31:23 knome: well, this overrides it, i think? i will still continue developing it, because it may be useful, not sure if gridcube will however 22:31:33 right 22:31:54 don't know QA ISO tracker, but i suppose it does. 22:32:07 anything else from bugs or testing? 22:32:15 I want to thank both GridCube and madnick for their work on the testing setup, but with qa iso tracker, we will not be using it 22:32:17 charlie-tca: "you break it you fix it in 3 hours"? 22:32:40 good to have a tool, even if it was not ours 22:32:47 The developer that uploads a broken package will have to fix it, including weekends and off days,. 22:32:52 ohhh 22:32:56 They initial fix time goal is 3 hours 22:33:08 sounds pretty ambitious 22:33:11 i hope this applies to canonical developers too 22:33:17 * madnick thought it was about if you broke it while testing :P 22:33:30 does it apply to a package breaking some other package too? 22:33:31 applies to everyone, 22:33:51 They will revert the package if needed to fix the others 22:33:58 okay 22:34:03 let's hope this works as planned 22:34:20 we all do 22:34:23 yep 22:34:29 anything else, or shall we continue? 22:34:33 The goal is to have working images, as much as possible 22:34:43 I'm done 22:34:46 okay 22:34:55 #subtopic Website, Documentation 22:35:14 #info Finishing touches are made for the website 22:35:43 we should add starting guide on website for newers :] 22:35:57 #info Discussion about website content at the developer mailing list, will give people at least a week to share their ideas and drafts 22:36:27 olbi, yes, and we should be getting the Top 10 FAQ online too on our staging site 22:36:59 mr_pouit: confirmed, scrollbar works again over sound-indicator! yay! 22:37:37 #action knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week 22:37:37 * meetingology knome will schedule a sprint for the website content review and update next week 22:37:53 #subtopic Marketing, Artwork 22:38:40 right 22:38:50 i've mostly done minor tweaks of greybird lately 22:38:52 #info madnick works on Plymouth and lightdm to create a nice booting experience; we follow the artistic specification created for Oneiric 22:39:01 some of you know already 22:39:18 #info ochosi has created a dark style for xfce4-datetime-plugin http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11072011-113830pm.php 22:39:36 we need better artworks for apps, in Xubuntu 11.10 when I used FF 7.0 and for examples wordpress plugin "Add images" it doesnt look good :/ 22:39:53 #info A patched version is available for testing in the shimmer PPA (thanks to mr_pouit). You'll need Greybird from git though. 22:40:25 A few combo GTK2/3 themes would be good, IMO 22:40:31 +1 22:40:34 #info New website needs dynamic content, see the message on developer mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-October/008004.html 22:40:38 only greybird is supported now? 22:40:42 but who will do them ;) 22:40:55 olbi: yes, atm it's only greybird... 22:41:03 olbi, application specific stuff should mostly go upstream, we don't want to use time fixing other peoples bugs 22:41:16 yes, greybird is the only feasible gtk2+3 theme right now 22:41:20 ochosi: xfce-look doesn't even have a subpage with them yet, while gnome-look does :/ 22:41:41 Unit193: well, in fact that makes sense because xfce is still all-gtk2 22:41:44 i dont like greybird, better is bluebird 22:42:12 but support under 11.10 is poor so use now greybird :] 22:42:14 doing bluebird's gtk3 won't be too difficult, albatross will a lot more challenging 22:42:22 #info Ideas for the new website content, including drafts, should be sent to the developer mailing list, and you can use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts too 22:42:38 olbi, ^ about xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu diffs etc. 22:42:38 if any of you feel like supporting me here, that'd be nice 22:42:52 i'll help you as much as i can 22:43:26 testing will help, when we can. I can't upgrade to precise until I get to Idaho, though 22:43:32 I would like to offer my help in any way with themes 22:43:47 ehh, site is working like it is on huge load :/ 22:43:58 daz1: nice, thanks. let's talk about it after the meeting? 22:44:05 olbi, the wiki is always slow, that's why ML is okay too 22:44:30 #action Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi 22:44:30 * meetingology Those interested in helping with themes (testing or anything else), contact ochosi 22:44:48 ochosi, anything else you want to add? 22:45:35 hm, not for now, i guess even greybird needs a few gtk3-fixes 22:45:41 okay 22:45:48 #topic Announcements 22:46:12 #info No (other) announcements. 22:46:19 #topic Other Business 22:46:32 #subtopic Xubuntu brainstorming day/weekend 22:46:36 ochosi, go ahead 22:46:52 ochosi, (and please use #info where applicable) 22:48:32 right 22:48:39 (and sry for the delay) 22:48:45 np 22:49:11 my idea was develop a – maybe even longish – todo list for precise 22:49:20 something like a real roadmap 22:49:38 but basically say: we have until next week to add stuff to that list, and then it's "done" 22:49:47 "done" obviously excludes bugfixes 22:50:01 but settle on features we would like to see and then concentrate on those 22:50:11 i think this is a good idea 22:50:20 the way i experienced the last cycles there were always a lot of things coming up late in the cycle 22:50:32 I defer to mr_pouit for that. I think the developers should play an active role 22:50:45 and this is something that is very strainful – especially for people who are also fixing bugs... 22:50:50 i think the whole community should take part 22:50:55 exactly 22:51:02 in xfce they have something like that 22:51:08 they develop a roadmpa 22:51:10 map 22:51:16 and then they try to find assignees 22:51:27 yep 22:51:28 obviously without an assignee a feature isn't going to be implemented 22:51:32 it is very good :) 22:51:38 but that way we could also "track" what's going on 22:51:52 finding assignees could happen after the "feature freeze" for the roadmap 22:51:59 and also items could be dropped, but not added 22:52:15 (not sure how strict this policy would have to be though, just thinking out loud) 22:52:17 so, basically, you really want blueprints that we did not do for UDS? 22:52:36 the reality is most of us can't attend UDS 22:52:39 yes, but in a more accessible way, e.g. in the wiki 22:52:48 and that the things planned in UDS very rarely happen 22:53:05 Why isn't launchpad blueprints fully accessible by everyone? 22:53:12 unless you have people that are committed, and it's too easy to promise something in UDS 22:53:36 yes, it's a shame we didn't have blueprints for UDS. 22:53:39 actually, the entire Ubuntu distro is built from blueprints that happen at UDS. Xubuntu has only tried to use them one time. 22:53:57 the problem is that we had a really weak representation at UDS 22:54:16 and those who are there, don't really have time to hang out at IRC 22:54:20 charlie-tca: maybe it's me being used to editing wikis, but i tend to think they're quick and more intuitive to use than launchpad. also: many people don't even know what a "blueprint" is. i have read discussions on irc about that again and again 22:54:38 this should be done BEFORE UDS in the next cycle, but it's not possible anymore for pangolin 22:54:38 * micahg has to go will check backscroll later 22:54:39 but really, i'm not opposing using blueprints as a means to accomplish this 22:55:05 the main thing is the idea of getting more users involved and collecting more ideas 22:55:17 #idea Schedule a daay or two for Xubuntu brainstorming, and create the blueprints for the release during those days 22:55:19 Yes, they should be done before UDS, but they can still be built at this time 22:55:42 #info This should be done before UDS in the next cycles, but since we are already late, we will have to stick with this timeframe 22:56:14 suggestion: we could create a wikipage for starters 22:56:21 It also requires more than just one or two people applying to go to UDS. 22:56:24 and those ideas that find assignees "become" blueprints 22:56:40 #action knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best 22:56:40 * meetingology knome to create a Doodle poll for best days for the majority of contributors so we can see which dates would be the best 22:57:03 knome: maybe make it more than one day in a row 22:57:08 charlie-tca, that's a problem that does beyond the blueprints only 22:57:11 ochosi, yes 22:57:26 err -only 22:57:56 any more thoughts on this? 22:57:57 #action ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea 22:57:57 * meetingology ochosi to build a wikipage around the idea 22:58:25 I can help :) 22:58:34 nice 22:58:37 #info Discussion will continue on the mailing list and the following community meetings after the wikipage and the Doodle poll is set 22:59:32 #subtopic Contributor check 22:59:32 #action knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week 22:59:32 * meetingology knome to send an email about this to the mailing list in the following week 22:59:36 #subtopic Meeting times 23:00:32 #info Will be discussed at the next meeting. The next meeting is at Sunday, November 13 at 22UTC. 23:00:50 #subtopic Any other business 23:00:52 anybody? 23:01:20 I dont have now 23:01:29 GridCube had this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GridCube/ProposedChanges , but he isn't here so.... 23:01:44 okay, any discussion should be continued on the mailing list, or IRC 23:01:58 Unit193, let's discuss those when he's online 23:02:02 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)