#title #xubuntu-devel: Xubuntu Meeting started by charlie-tca at 19:01:40 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-09-19-19.01.log.html . == Meeting summary == *=== Old Business === *=== Team updates === *==== Packaging & Development ==== (charlie-tca, 19:07:10) *==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== (charlie-tca, 19:15:41) *==== Website & Marketing ==== (charlie-tca, 19:24:44) ''ACTION:'' verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 (charlie-tca, 19:30:46) *==== Artwork ==== (charlie-tca, 19:31:25) *=== Announcements === *=== Any Other Business === *=== Xubuntu Governance === *Nominations for Xubuntu Project Lead (charlie-tca, 19:57:08) Meeting ended at 20:00:06 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 == People present (lines said) == * charlie-tca (129) * GridCube (68) * madnick (35) * mr_pouit (18) * micahg (16) * meetingology (5) * Unit193 (4) == Full Log == 19:01:40 #startmeeting Xubuntu 19:01:40 Meeting started Mon Sep 19 19:01:40 2011 UTC. 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If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. 19:02:46 #topic === Old Business === 19:03:15 suggestion, if you are here for the meeting, use o/ or here or something so we log everyone 19:03:42 o/ 19:04:13 well, small group with a lot of important things to do! 19:04:18 * charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds 19:04:27 micahg: did we decide if we need this yet? 19:04:41 no, sorry, and I know we're getting close to the end here 19:05:08 after reboot my bluetooth stopped working on my netbook as well, I have to reboot again to verify 19:05:18 will try to do this week, not happening for beta 2 19:05:19 .. 19:05:34 Okay, let's try not to forget then. 19:06:04 * charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu - Done 19:06:06 * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess 19:06:25 Any one that wants to review that page and let me know what is missing is welcome to. 19:06:47 #topic === Team updates === 19:07:10 #subtopic ==== Packaging & Development ==== 19:07:20 mr_pouit: Your turn, sir. 19:07:25 \o 19:07:28 Late, but here 19:07:32 * New upstream bugfix releases uploaded: libxfce4util, xfdesktop4, xfce4-session 19:07:40 * Build failures fixed: libxfcegui4, exo 19:07:46 * Misc uploads: xfce4-dev-tools, xfce4-utils, gigolo, xfwm4 19:07:56 * micahg converted gimp & catfish to dh_python2 (so probably some space gained on the isos \o/). 19:08:14 lightdm-gtk-greeter theming issue in progress, maybe :p 19:08:21 Yay! room for another language, maybe! 19:08:37 a new bugfix release of thunar is probably being prepared as we speak 19:08:43 charlie-tca: doubtful, was small, but on the alternates we can probably add one more back 19:09:14 and I think that's all (micahg, feel free to add anything I forgot) 19:09:16 .. 19:09:34 Thank you very much. You developers have been busy this week 19:09:42 o/ 19:09:48 :D 19:09:50 Go ahead, madnick 19:09:58 I have a question about some greeter related stuff for the LTS 19:10:05 Should I save it for "other talk"? 19:10:19 Oh, go ahead while we have mr_pouit here 19:10:40 Ok, can we use GTK + Webkit or GTK + mozembed? 19:10:49 in C ofc 19:10:51 madnick: mozembed is dead 19:10:54 oh 19:11:13 well, for Ubuntu at least :0 19:11:31 It's a really clean way of making it very themable and also maintainably and changable for other releases 19:11:40 Easy to theme for artists 19:11:48 not if it is dead, though 19:11:57 Webkit is not dead tho 19:12:01 we have no xulrunner anymore and it's probably not coming back 19:12:03 what about GTK+webkit? That should be okay, right? 19:12:20 yeah, but webkit seems heavy for a greeter 19:12:39 It was 2MB with O3 static linked 19:12:47 (it's already in the default install fwiw) 19:12:52 madnick: it's on the images, I have no inherent problem with it expect if it's slow 19:13:00 *except 19:13:00 oh okay 19:13:02 cool :) 19:13:13 madnick: and we're not static linking :) 19:13:18 there was a webkit greeter in the eraly versions of lightdm, but apparently it's not included by default anymore 19:13:26 *early 19:13:44 yup 19:13:46 But its doable :P 19:14:03 at mr_pouit * 19:14:04 Yeah, lot of changes in lightdm, and more coming :) 19:14:57 Any other comments/questions for Packaging and Development? 19:15:41 #subtopic ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== 19:16:02 Thanks to the testers for their efforts Saturday and Sunday. Gnome updates started today. 19:16:23 We know the images from yesterday are valid, if we have to fall back to them 19:16:41 Beta2 testing starts tomorrow; please update tests on the QA ISO tracker at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ 19:16:56 Beta2 testing requires the long test for Xubuntu, found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Long 19:17:14 Any help with getting these tests done would be greatly appreciated! 19:17:34 This is the last milestone before we get the final images 19:17:40 o/ : beta2 tests days are 20 and 21? 19:18:06 yes, they are 19:18:23 Beta2 releases on Thursday, September 22 19:18:30 :) ok, 21 is Spring Day so no schools are open :D 19:18:35 Great! 19:18:59 Today's images are for smoketesting, which we did, so I did not call for tests today 19:19:13 They will be rebuilt today/tonight, though 19:19:16 We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot 19:19:30 Let's make sure we keep adding the bugs to this. 19:19:38 Any questions or comments for testing? 19:19:55 o/ 19:20:01 Go ahead, madnick 19:20:04 I'll leave mine for Other Bussiness 19:20:12 I installed the Oneric image from yesterday, could someone check if: 19:20:31 Its replicatable to double click on a langauge of the keymap selection and it will never be able to pick another langauge again? 19:21:02 * madnick has ran out of space on hdd for new images 19:21:03 That seems bad 19:21:08 will delete some tomorrow 19:21:33 just go to settings ->Keyboard -> and pick a new one? 19:22:02 On the install 19:22:16 oh! in the installer itself 19:22:21 yes :) 19:22:30 will try it after the meeting, then 19:23:08 You should be able to pick a language, and pick a different one, since a bad hit on the keyboard can make you miss the language you wanted. 19:23:45 Okay, any one else? 19:24:04 madnick: did you file a bug for that? 19:24:17 charlie-tca: no sorry, i wanted to see if it was replicatable 19:24:35 That's okay. It is good to get it verified 19:24:44 #subtopic ==== Website & Marketing ==== 19:24:50 o/ 19:24:50 pleia2: your turn 19:25:32 knome: you here? 19:25:38 well, I am. 19:26:30 The wordpress site has been approved. We are now in the process of converting http://xubuntu.org from drupal to wordpress 19:26:56 We should have the site converted in time for final release of Oneiric 19:27:16 We need a good news article for Beta2 release Thursday 19:27:54 We also need release notes written up for beta2 19:28:03 any volunteers? 19:28:47 I am terrible at english :( Unfortunetly 19:28:50 madnick: was the issue with live session or install from the menu? 19:28:56 i can't log to irc from work, so no :( 19:28:58 charlie-tca: live session 19:29:02 wait sorry 19:29:21 It was the install directly from the boot menu 19:29:30 But yes, a live image 19:29:35 Okay 19:29:45 Any questions on website? 19:29:50 o/ 19:30:10 Someone needs to review the top 10 FAQ to see if they are ok, and no dangerous things are in them, also check question 10 for the help links that i dont know 19:30:12 GridCube: go ahead 19:30:46 #action verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 19:30:46 * meetingology verify top 10 FAQ and check help links in 10 19:31:01 Thank you for the reminder, GridCube 19:31:05 :) 19:31:23 .. 19:31:25 #subtopic ==== Artwork ==== 19:31:30 ochosi: any update? 19:31:48 o/ 19:31:56 go ahead, GridCube 19:32:10 i know this is a very late thing to ask but 19:32:38 its posible to update the shipped wallpapers? or we have had to do that long before? 19:32:50 mr_pouit: ^ ^ 19:32:52 its cool to have new wallpaper to atract people 19:33:17 madnick: not a bug 19:33:21 and i don't think its so hard to choose a few from a free repositorie 19:33:30 .. 19:33:58 charlie-tca: okay :) 19:34:13 it lets me choose fillipino and then go back to english 19:34:27 charlie-tca: you double clicked right? 19:34:30 Not just 1 click 19:35:20 depends on the language, perhaps. I am now stuck in Kyrgyz 19:35:29 but I hit continue and went back 19:35:40 file the bug, I will confirm it 19:35:43 Okay 19:35:48 GridCube: it might be a bit late, but you should check with ochosi & knome if they have something new/ready 19:36:08 ok :) 19:36:10 I think he wants to change the other ones we supply 19:36:16 that is 19:36:50 mr_pouit: he wants to replace the old / supplied wallpaper package 19:37:08 which ones? from xubuntu, or xfce? 19:37:11 the ones that commonly come to choose, if we keep shiping the same ones it would seem we are stuck there, but if we have a bunch of new ones that would be atracting to people? 19:37:17 both? 19:38:10 xubuntu-bluebird-notext.png xubuntu-bluebird.png xubuntu-greybird.png xubuntu-karmic-gdm.png xubuntu-karmic.png 19:38:19 we only ship these ones in xubuntu-artwork 19:39:08 hm, karmic is probably the only one we could replace, since bluebird is in the lts and greybird is in natty and oneiric 19:39:14 I see, so they are all xubuntu-related 19:39:53 i remember, from the top of my head, a flower wallpaper in the menu, thats from xfce? 19:40:05 yeah, the remaining ones are shipped by xfdesktop 19:40:18 if they're taking up too much space, we could create a xubuntu-artwork-archive or somethign 19:40:30 mmkay so we don't have any control over them 19:40:44 charlie-tca: xubuntu-karmic is also used by lucid, bluebird has only appeared for 10.10 19:40:46 or xubuntu-artwork-historical 19:40:46 micahg: my idea, or question, is to ship more, or different 19:40:46 Not too much space, just trying to change things up 19:41:08 just to spice things up :P 19:41:35 I'd say add more (why not drop a good thing)...if space is an issue, we can split the historical ones out 19:41:35 well, play with keyboard selection in the live installer, it will spice you up 19:41:44 *why drop 19:42:14 Something to look at for lts? 19:42:36 that should be nice :) 19:42:45 i think its a very late thing to ask now 19:42:50 agreed 19:43:04 .. 19:43:13 #topic === Announcements === 19:43:29 * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-09-25 at 22:00 UTC 19:43:31 * Important dates coming up: 19:43:33 * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta2 Freeze; archives will remain frozen until final release. 19:43:35 * 11.10 Beta2: September 2 19:43:37 * 11.10 Final Freeze: September 29 19:43:39 * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 19:43:41 * We need to update the Team Reports this week. 19:43:47 Archive will remain frozen until final release, but we can still get things in 19:44:15 #topic === Any Other Business === 19:44:28 charlie-tca: [16:43] * 11.10 Beta2: September 2 ?¿? 19:44:40 oops 19:44:48 make that September 22 19:44:53 :P 19:45:01 o/ 19:45:02 Thanks for catching that, grid 19:45:06 Thanks for catching that, GridCube 19:45:09 :D 19:45:09 go ahead 19:45:15 I've been working on a Testing Interface, as you might know, it needs some polishing, but i think its fairly ok so far, I can give the code to you people if you wish to host it on another server, besides of that please tell me what else needs to be worked on. http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XubuntuTestingsCenter.html In the same topic i've started working on a simple interface to load the proposed tests for a day, so it doesn 19:45:46 .. 19:46:01 It does make adding test results very easy. 19:46:10 :) 19:46:20 I haven't had a chance to really test it yet, but I like the way it looks so far! 19:46:29 :D thank you 19:46:43 We are going to switch from google docs for LTS testing 19:46:56 we just don't have everything worked out yet 19:47:09 oh, in that topic 19:47:18 yes? 19:47:22 there is an api to send the stuff to a google doc 19:47:24 I would like to edit things if I make an oopsie and checking to see what others have done also 19:47:51 Unit193: it shows what test have been done in a day 19:48:01 Well, a solution would be to register, without email requirement, but bot protection, Unit193 19:48:12 there is no check part 19:48:35 i could figure out how to make a check buffer, It migth not be really hard 19:48:40 so we could use it to send the results to google doc? 19:48:51 we could 19:48:52 charlie-tca: yes 19:49:03 which would allow easy correction and the chance to see all the tests that have been already? 19:49:16 but i don't know how we could recover the test that were done in a day 19:49:19 Let's do that, please 19:49:46 If they are in google doc, we should be able to look at them directly, shouldn't we? 19:50:01 yes... but the confusing part will remain 19:50:22 well, let's try it 19:50:25 the whole idea was to be able to see what test where done in a day in an easy and fast way to not duplicate eforts 19:51:02 We can use a simple week to set the tests up and not have to change them all the time. They should be the same for each week 19:51:05 I will see if i can retrieve the tests from an expecific date using it, it might be posible 19:51:31 that can be done, i did that the first timne 19:51:36 yes 19:51:45 now it has particular tests for particular days 19:51:53 it also has news for those days 19:52:03 we couldnt do that whit week days 19:52:18 which is what we want, since monday tests are different than tuesday tests, but every monday, the tests are the same 19:52:27 yes 19:52:48 but what about betas or alphas days? 19:53:00 or this past weekend? they had ALL TEST mode 19:53:18 don't need them specifically different. We just announce through email and here what we are doing for special times 19:53:23 ok 19:53:26 :) 19:53:39 will see what i can learn about the google api 19:54:01 hopefully i will be able to set it up 19:54:39 so far i know that i will have to create a new google account for it, it needs user/password to work 19:54:51 really? 19:54:55 yes 19:55:06 okay, 19:55:15 what about using the wiki for it? 19:55:26 Meeting over? 19:55:27 for what? 19:55:29 not yet 19:55:37 test results 19:55:52 I think that GDoc is easier than wiki editing though 19:55:54 oh, I don't know 19:56:08 i could save the results to a text file? 19:56:11 um, let's take this up later, we have one more bit to cover for the meeting before we lose people 19:56:14 one should be able to automatically put it on the wiki 19:56:33 mmm i don't know about that 19:56:37 it could be done 19:56:44 won't work, since you must have edit approval to add/change the wiki 19:56:50 okay charlie-tca :) please go on 19:56:52 #topic === Xubuntu Governance === 19:57:06 * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Governance_.26_Team_Structure 19:57:08 #subtopic Nominations for Xubuntu Project Lead 19:57:20 How time flies... 19:57:22 I have served as the Xubuntu Project Lead for three releases now. It has been a wonderful experience that I honestly enjoyed. 19:57:34 However, in accordance with our governing document, I will now open nominations for the next month. Those wishing to nominate themselves or others should do so by email to either mailing list, or myself (charlie-tca@ubuntu.com). 19:57:47 Nominations will close October 20, 2011, and the community election will be held at the meeting on October 23, 2011. If there are issues with this, please let us know between now and October 20. 19:57:54 questions? 19:58:13 nope 19:58:47 Okay, let's get those nominations in, then! 19:58:53 :D 19:59:27 Thank you all for participating in the meeting! It is only with participation that this project grows and stays strong. 19:59:53 If there is no other business, we will close the meeting... 19:59:56 going... 20:00:02 going... 20:00:06 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)