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== Meeting summary ==

 *Agenda for today's meeting:

 *Agenda for today's meeting:

 *=== Old Business ===

 *=== Team updates ===

 *==== Packaging & Development ====

 *==== Bug Triage & Testing ====

 *==== Website & Marketing ====

 *==== Artwork ====

 *=== Announcements ===

 *=== Any Other Business ===
''LINK:'' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-September/007970.html   (micahg, 22:31:28)



Meeting ended at 22:37:28 UTC.



== Votes ==




== Action items ==

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== People present (lines said) ==

 * charlie-tca (92)
 * micahg (31)
 * knome (28)
 * mr_pouit (15)
 * meetingology (3)
 * madnick (1)



== Full Log ==


 22:02:40 <charlie-tca> #startmeeting Xubuntu

 22:02:40 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Sep 11 22:02:40 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.

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 22:03:05 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:

 22:03:31 <charlie-tca> #topic Agenda for today's meeting:

 22:03:36 <charlie-tca> Oh goody

 22:03:55 <charlie-tca> * Old business

 22:03:57 <charlie-tca> * Team updates

 22:03:59 <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development

 22:04:01 <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing

 22:04:03 <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing

 22:04:05 <charlie-tca> * Artwork

 22:04:07 <charlie-tca> * Documentation

 22:04:09 <charlie-tca> * Announcements

 22:04:11 <charlie-tca> * Governance structure

 22:04:13 <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business

 22:04:15 <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.

 22:05:13 <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

 22:05:15 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Old Business ===

 22:05:35 <charlie-tca> * charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds

 22:05:50 <micahg> o/

 22:05:55 <charlie-tca> With this, I notified the release manager we will need FFe's to get this done, and they will be accepted

 22:06:03 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg

 22:06:29 <micahg> are we sure we need this?  bluetooth seemed to work fine, but I have to verify it again after I restore a more default configuration on my armel laptop

 22:07:10 <micahg> ..

 22:07:19 <charlie-tca> If you can verify it works without gnome-control-center, we don't need blueman

 22:08:07 <micahg> ok, will keep you advised

 22:08:22 <charlie-tca> yes, we will, because blueman can take the place of gnome-control-center which causes a crash report if it is not installed and bluetooth is clicked when you have no devices

 22:08:28 <mr_pouit> I think it works, except that you're unable to configure it

 22:08:53 <charlie-tca> So, for configuration purposes, we need blueman

 22:09:00 <micahg> I still seemed able to configure with the indicator

 22:09:12 <micahg> but I might have had some extra packages installed

 22:09:19 <charlie-tca> yup

 22:09:34 <charlie-tca> Please do verify if it works without g-c-c

 22:10:02 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Team updates ===

 22:10:17 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ====

 22:10:25 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn, sir

 22:11:19 <mr_pouit> uploaded some bugfix for xfce4-session, xfdesktop4, xfce4-indicator-plugin; fixed build failure of tumbler; fixed plymouth script for xubuntu-logo.

 22:11:36 <mr_pouit> oh, xterm/uxterm was hidden from the menu also

 22:12:00 <mr_pouit> (some memleak fixes for ristretto)

 22:12:37 <mr_pouit> and micahg has been investiguating bluetooth and some recents debian uploads (if/which ones we need to sync)1

 22:12:46 <mr_pouit> investigating?

 22:12:49 <mr_pouit> meh

 22:12:51 <mr_pouit> ..

 22:12:53 <charlie-tca> You been busy again! Thank you very much for your hard work.

 22:12:56 <micahg> o/

 22:13:06 <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg also. It is very much appreciated

 22:13:11 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg

 22:13:19 <micahg> maco fixed the printer dialog issue

 22:13:21 <micahg> ..

 22:13:30 <charlie-tca> Yes! and it works, too

 22:13:48 <mr_pouit> (indeed, sorry, I forgot this one too)

 22:14:15 <charlie-tca> as to syncs, I hear Dutch translations are being pushed out by Xfce, so if possible, we want those

 22:14:51 <micahg> yep, will keep an eye out, Thu Sep 29 is final freeze for images though

 22:14:58 <charlie-tca> There are supposed to be at least 10 packages upgraded this week

 22:15:17 <charlie-tca> Sept 15 is beta2 freeze

 22:15:28 <mr_pouit> yeah, I told Pjotr to see upstream for the translations, and he pushed a bit Nick, so we might have new bugfix releases in the next few days

 22:15:51 <charlie-tca> May as well get them in.

 22:16:08 <charlie-tca> They are planning to push the latest gnome upgrades in on Sept 19

 22:16:21 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ====

 22:16:21 <micahg> so, right after beta 2 would probably be the time to land those new upstreams

 22:16:45 <charlie-tca> no, if we can, we need them in beta2 to get them tested as much as we can

 22:16:58 <micahg> freeze for that is thursday :)

 22:17:01 <charlie-tca> yup

 22:17:43 <charlie-tca> Testing is hit and miss this week

 22:18:03 <charlie-tca> With the gnome upgrades coming in, we need to hit the images hard to make sure they work

 22:18:22 <charlie-tca> All tests need to be done this week, and again Saturday/Sunday.

 22:18:42 <charlie-tca> If gnome breaks things, we will revert to the last working images for Beta2

 22:19:13 <charlie-tca> Seeing quite a few bugs coming in, we picked up a couple more bug reporters with beta1

 22:19:40 <charlie-tca> Any questions?

 22:20:01 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ====

 22:20:21 <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome : any updates?

 22:20:28 <knome> pending on canonical IS

 22:20:29 <charlie-tca> I know it is waiting for IS now, too.

 22:21:00 <knome> yeah, nothing else happening now

 22:21:01 <charlie-tca> knome: thank you for the updated logos

 22:21:12 <charlie-tca> We got them into beta1, even!

 22:21:13 <knome> np

 22:21:18 <knome> good to hear that

 22:21:24 <knome> they are fine?

 22:21:42 <charlie-tca> They are from my view, yes

 22:21:47 <knome> good

 22:22:27 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ====

 22:22:38 <charlie-tca> ochosi, madnick : Any news?

 22:23:01 <madnick> I dont have any

 22:23:19 <knome> probably no updates then, haven't seen ochosi much lately

 22:23:37 <charlie-tca> We are looking very good right now. Artwork is in good shape, and people are happy with what they see.

 22:23:46 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Announcements ===

 22:23:52 <mr_pouit> (Lightdm greeter theme might come, maybe)

 22:24:17 <charlie-tca> That would be great if we can make it happen.

 22:24:34 <charlie-tca> I do have the bug yet, and am still pushing

 22:24:39 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-19 at 19:00 UTC

 22:24:41 <charlie-tca> * Important dates coming up:

 22:24:43 <charlie-tca> * We are now in UI Freeze

 22:24:45 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Beta2 freeze: September 15

 22:24:47 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Beta2: September 2

 22:24:49 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011

 22:24:51 <charlie-tca> * We need to update the Team Reports this week.

 22:24:53 <charlie-tca> * gnome updates will be dropped on September 19. Since that is so close to beta2, it is vital we get the images on the 17th and 18th. If the upgrade to gnome makes the images unusable, we will use the last known good image.

 22:24:57 <charlie-tca> We really need to be on top of the testing this week, please!

 22:25:23 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Any Other Business ===

 22:25:41 <charlie-tca> This is a good time to bring up any thing you want to discuss...

 22:25:54 <charlie-tca> Are there any questions?

 22:26:09 <charlie-tca> going once...

 22:26:10 <micahg> o/

 22:26:15 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg

 22:26:40 <micahg> just an FYI, the final Firefox and Thunderbird builds for oneiric will be landing after beta 2 due to the upstream schedule

 22:26:53 <micahg> We'll be shipping version 7 of each

 22:26:59 <micahg> ..

 22:27:00 <charlie-tca> Very minimal chance of breaking things, right?

 22:27:04 <micahg> yep

 22:27:11 <micahg> we'll have the final beta for beta 2

 22:27:19 <charlie-tca> Kind of scared of the gnome upgrades, myself

 22:27:42 <charlie-tca> going... 2

 22:28:11 <charlie-tca> Thank you all for participating in the meeting. It is always great to see so many interested in shaping Xubuntu, as a project!@

 22:28:26 <micahg> o/

 22:28:31 <charlie-tca> Go ahead

 22:28:48 <micahg> heh, about the e-mail WRT the linkedin group, is that something the project wants?

 22:28:55 <micahg> ..

 22:29:17 <charlie-tca> I answered that I don't use it, any one have an opinion on it?

 22:29:37 * micahg uses linkedin, it's nice for networking

 22:30:25 <charlie-tca> seems to be a very limited thing :(

 22:30:41 <knome> why would one need Xubuntu *Users* in linkedin?

 22:30:56 <mr_pouit> I've an account there as well, but I don't go there very often...

 22:30:56 <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I thing

 22:31:00 <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I think

 22:31:07 <knome> but it was about users group

 22:31:14 <knome> in linkedin

 22:31:25 <knome> and the guy asked for official approval

 22:31:28 <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-September/007970.html

 22:31:34 <knome> can anyone of us even give that?

 22:31:53 * micahg would think that's up to charlie-tca as project lead

 22:32:00 <charlie-tca> What do you call groups in linedin? I suspect the "users group" is a generic term there

 22:32:14 <micahg> you can have a group for anything you want

 22:32:20 <knome> but, he asks "to be recognized by *Canonical*"

 22:32:23 <mr_pouit> shouldn't we forward it to $random community manager?

 22:32:23 <micahg> it's a way to network, ask questions

 22:32:31 <knome> which i think is correct

 22:32:32 <mr_pouit> (jono? jcastro?)

 22:32:36 <knome> they need to ask Canonical

 22:32:41 <knome> jono prolly

 22:32:47 <micahg> why? xubuntu's a community project

 22:32:57 <charlie-tca> Um, Canonical is not involved in Xubuntu, but I will go hunt down either jono or jorge and ask them about it

 22:33:20 <knome> what i'm kind of thinking is

 22:33:25 <charlie-tca> I don't believe Canonical will care either way, other than use of trademarks

 22:33:25 <knome> who is administrating the group?

 22:33:37 <mr_pouit> yeah, but canonical owns *buntu trademarks, so maybe they want to administer the linkedin group?

 22:33:48 <knome> if it's an official, canonical/xubuntu recognized group, shouldn't one of them/us be the admin?

 22:33:50 <charlie-tca> I can ask

 22:34:08 <micahg> it would probable be an open group anyways

 22:34:15 <knome> i'm not on linkedin myself, so i don't know much about the system

 22:34:37 <knome> micahg, but the admin can change it to closed anyday, and make some unwanted changes there?

 22:34:45 <charlie-tca> and if we are not members on linkedin, we can't actually be admins there either

 22:34:56 <knome> micahg, and he'd get all of the joined people in a puddle of mud?

 22:35:02 <knome> charlie-tca, exactly.

 22:35:15 <knome> charlie-tca, that's another reason why jono/jcastro might come in handy. :)

 22:35:22 <micahg> well, then the users of the group would be notified and have the option to leave

 22:35:42 <knome> micahg, well of course, but that would still be bad for xubuntu, in a way

 22:35:43 <charlie-tca> I expect it is similar to a group on indenti.ca, twitter, facebook, etc

 22:36:01 <micahg> yup

 22:36:13 <knome> imo, any group that is called "official", should be something that a xubuntu developer is an admin in

 22:36:24 <charlie-tca> The only difference is this person dared to ask for permission

 22:36:33 * micahg could be an admin if charlie-tca wanted

 22:36:51 <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, that makes it "official" :)

 22:36:53 <charlie-tca> I will bring the discussion up to jono or jorge and get a reading

 22:37:07 <charlie-tca> Any thing else to discuss?

 22:37:14 <knome> yeah, let's ask jono &/ jorge first :)

 22:37:18 <charlie-tca> Let's go to work

 22:37:28 <charlie-tca> #endmeeting



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