#title #xubuntu-devel Meeting Meeting started by charlie-tca at 19:02:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-22-19.02.log.html . == Meeting summary == *Agenda for today's meeting: *=== Old Business === *=== Team updates === *==== Packaging & Development ==== ''LINK:'' http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png (knome, 19:24:33) ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 (GridCube, 19:26:45) *==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== ''LINK:'' http://www.google.com/url?q=http://2tu.us/3dmh&usd=2&usg=ALhdy2__BW8olO1HKH4HdYEcAVhIv6zxCw (charlie-tca, 19:37:45) ''LINK:'' http://2tu.us/3gn1 (charlie-tca, 19:39:06) *==== Website & Marketing ==== *==== Artwork ==== *=== Announcements === *=== Any Other Business === Meeting ended at 20:19:51 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * charlie-tca (187) * GridCube (62) * knome (54) * Olbi (49) * mr_pouit (35) * madnick (16) * xrdodrx (13) * meetingology (11) * pleia2 (10) * astraljava (6) * ubottu (4) * Unit193 (2) * beardygnome (1) == Full Log == 19:02:01 #startmeeting 19:02:01 Meeting started Mon Aug 22 19:02:01 2011 UTC. 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If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. 19:03:30 The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings 19:03:32 [TOPIC] === Old Business === 19:03:32 TOPIC: === Old Business === 19:03:45 geany has a delay when trying to use the right click menu 19:04:12 GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work 19:04:29 If anyone has something in particular they think should be in the list, please tell GridCube 19:04:39 hard week 19:04:49 so, slow progress? 19:04:50 no progress, hope to get it done this week 19:04:58 .. 19:05:15 Thank you, GridCube 19:05:22 Your efforts are apreciated! 19:05:25 madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work 19:05:26 oh yes telling me its cool, its hard to see what its important to add 19:05:32 madnick: how we doing? 19:05:33 .. 19:05:54 Doing OK, the greeter itself works 19:06:07 Its not finished, but the problem i have is with --test-mode ) 19:06:18 But I hope to be done by this week 19:06:20 Maybe they broke that mode now? 19:06:38 mr_pouit: what's the latest date we have to be done by? 19:06:39 Maybe, It just twitches and dies and no logs on it 19:06:58 UI freeze is on next thursday iirc 19:07:09 .. 19:07:22 so, we need to get lightdm in by the 25th 19:07:40 charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu 19:07:42 I forgot 19:07:59 will get this going this week 19:08:06 Hello all :) 19:08:21 Hello, Olbi 19:08:25 hello Olbi 19:08:32 Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Meeting 19:08:43 Any questions on old business? 19:08:49 any old business we missed? 19:08:58 not that i recall 19:09:05 WWII 19:09:16 thats pretty much done 19:09:30 [TOPIC] === Team updates === 19:09:30 TOPIC: === Team updates === 19:09:32 [TOPIC] ==== Packaging & Development ==== 19:09:32 TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ==== 19:09:35 mr_pouit: ?? 19:09:40 o/ 19:10:02 GridCube: question? 19:10:14 what happened to mousepad and scrot 19:10:15 ? 19:10:26 mousepad has been replaced by leafpad 19:10:33 \o/ 19:10:39 \o/ 19:10:41 oh.. i see. ok. 19:10:44 They broke mousepad bad for us 19:10:59 .. 19:10:59 mousepad doesn't even function properly for me in natty :/ 19:11:08 (mousepad is supposed to be a better fork of leafpad, but mousepad isn't well maintained currently, and leafpad has some activity upstream, and uses teh gtk+ printing api) 19:11:27 okay 19:11:29 and scrot? 19:11:48 was it in the default package set? 19:11:51 I don't think so 19:12:06 dunno, in today test install it wasnt there 19:12:48 !info scrot 19:12:54 scrot (source: scrot): command line screen capture utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-13 (natty), package size 15 kB, installed size 72 kB 19:13:05 snapshot? 19:13:25 screenshot 19:13:41 was missing from Accessiories? 19:13:42 the problem is that using print screen key doesnt work if you have the panels locked, so 19:14:08 when you want to screenshot something that hangs the panels., like an error you have to launch it from a terminal 19:14:23 and scrot is faster to write than xfce4-screenshoter 19:15:10 .. 19:15:24 oh 19:15:35 we have never installed scrot by default 19:16:04 GridCube: really? printscreen should call the xfce4-screenshooter binary, not the panel plugin, so it should work afaik 19:16:10 no 19:16:13 if it doesn't, please file a bug 19:16:25 no keybinging work if a panel is open 19:16:34 like configuration or something like that 19:16:36 it never did 19:16:39 ah, yeah, because it gets the focus 19:17:07 if you launch the start menu, forget about keybindings 19:17:15 (and grabs the keyboard, etc. like when a menu is opened) 19:17:21 yes that 19:17:22 yeah 19:17:35 maybe shutter? http://shutter-project.org/ 19:17:42 what is the benefit of locking the panel? 19:17:48 I think it's a problem (or call that a design choice) of gtk 19:17:48 is better than scrot :] 19:17:48 nah, it just takes installing scrot 19:17:56 and launching scrot is faster, i could xfce4-sc[tab][tab] but is faster to scrot 19:18:15 mr_pouit: what about seeding scrot? Is it possible? 19:18:22 nevermind i though it was on previous versions 19:18:27 GridCube, xfce4-screenshotter is part of default xfce 19:18:31 scrot is a command line application 19:18:42 i don't think we want to replace something graphical with something command line 19:18:43 i must have installed it back in the day on 10.04 19:18:54 scrt will be very usfell, specially when u are tested livecd 19:19:04 especially since new users aren't going to want to open a terminal just to take a screenshot :\ 19:19:08 charlie-tca: daily alternate/i386 is already oversized by ~300k, I'd like to avoid that 19:19:15 good enough 19:19:21 so for graphical take shutter, and for cmd scrot 19:19:27 if a user really wants it, they should install it then 19:19:37 ^ 19:19:41 no, as i said, i though it was there back on 10.04 but i must have installed it myself 19:19:45 It really is a matter of the number of letters needed to run the app 19:19:51 yes 19:19:57 GridCube, create an alias 19:20:06 xubuntu is for devel or fo users?:P 19:20:32 Xubuntu is for users. We do what is best for the user, almost all the time. 19:20:41 echo 'alias sshot="xfce4-screenshotter"' >> ~/.bashrc 19:20:43 :) 19:20:45 :P it would be faster to launch xfce4-screenshoter that create an alias and then launch it, so never mind 19:21:12 .. 19:21:15 maybe script for xfce4-screenshoter ? 19:21:20 The point was, whether in live session or installed session, scrot is faster to type the xfce4-screenshooter 19:21:27 which will be called screenshot? 19:21:39 but just hitting the prntscrn key brings up xfce4-screenshotter 19:21:44 It doesn't matter which one he uses, they both will do the same job for it. 19:21:47 this wouldn't work with scrot since scrot is command line 19:22:00 i came in late so sorry if i'm back tracking here, but are keyboard shortcuts broken in oneric? 19:22:01 okay, let's continue with the meeting. 19:22:22 yes please 19:22:22 no, you can't use them when a panel app is hung 19:22:34 mr_pouit: do you have a developer update today? 19:22:39 yep 19:22:46 floor is your's 19:22:55 Okay, so, last week, xubuntu-default-settings was updated to set the default session & greeter for lightdm \o/; some xubuntu-artwork uploads for the plymouth themes (more to come when madnick and knome are around at the same time); I fixed the build failure of abiword, and micahg fixed some package conflicts (the gtk themes have been moved from xubuntu-artwork to murrine-themes). 19:23:25 Yesterday I dropped "de" language packs from i386 daily live to make it fit again in 700M (it wasn't in amd64, only in i386 because "we're supposed to have much free space there" :/). 19:23:30 mr_pouit, what do you need from us? :) 19:23:37 .. 19:23:39 I think abiword isnt good ass default aplication for text writing 19:23:46 knome: the 16b theme support :p 19:24:05 mr_pouit, okay, i've provided the files for madnick 19:24:13 except the logo! :P 19:24:16 hmm? 19:24:23 wrong.. 19:24:33 http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png 19:24:33 maybe install by default writer and calc only? they arent so hardly for systems :P 19:24:34 there you go 19:24:44 oh okay :) 19:24:53 Olbi: can it wait until we get to Other? 19:24:58 ok 19:25:03 charlie-tca: ok 19:25:44 Thanks, mr_pouit. You guys stay pretty busy, I am glad you are on top of things 19:26:21 no, thank you ;-) 19:26:25 knome, madnick : that is the last thing for lightdm, right? 19:26:25 no more questions? 19:26:26 o/ 19:26:39 charlie-tca: for plymouth 19:26:45 https://launchpad.net/bugs/831488 19:26:46 Ubuntu bug 831488 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center not found on xubuntu oneiric when launching bluetooth device" [Undecided,New] 19:26:48 mr_pouit: maybe-ubiquity is just the app that takes the cd menu away 19:26:57 we still need to update the logo for the menu 19:27:09 charlie-tca, this was for plymouth. if we have some time, i'd actually want to talk about a few minor issues in lightdm 19:27:12 well, doesn't take it away, but hides it from the users 19:27:35 charlie-tca, the UI freeze is on WED, so we need time until tomorrow noon to make absolutely last minute changes? 19:27:46 charlie-tca: yeah, all other variants/derivatives/ use it, don't they? 19:27:47 It gives Ubuntu the "install now" and "try now" menu late in the boot process instead of the cd menu 19:28:10 I don't remember if they all use it. 19:28:16 You want the menu hidden? 19:28:30 I will have it activated if we do want it. 19:28:43 Shouldn't take effort here, installer does it all 19:29:13 but I still need to get the logo on the menu updated, since pressing a key gives the user the same menu we have 19:29:16 I recall it was a bit nicer, but I didn't use an ubuntu/kubuntu iso for a long time ;> 19:29:25 Okay 19:29:31 I will tell them do it to us 19:29:43 o/ i'm just having a talk with NCommander on the livecd menu logo 19:29:47 okay, if it's too risky, we can delay that for O+1 19:29:48 knome: lightdm? 19:29:53 no, before that 19:30:05 yay 19:30:53 UI freeze is at August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC 19:31:13 oh, so aug 24 is the last day to submit things? 19:31:34 So, Thursday about 1 and a half hours from now 19:31:56 well, the wiki said last minute updates should be made 1 day earlier 19:31:58 Preferred to get things in wednesday, yes 19:32:06 yeah. 19:32:12 madnick, do you have some time today? 19:32:20 I guess sleep will have to wait until friday :| 19:32:23 knome: yes 19:32:30 madnick, takes maybe 15mins, or at most 30 19:32:36 Any questions on development and packaging? 19:32:51 knome: you got the logo update handled? 19:33:09 charlie-tca, i'll try to do that, if at all possible, but i think yes'ish 19:33:16 okay 19:33:25 charlie-tca, today's bug? 19:33:27 You had some lightdm things to discuss? 19:33:34 isnt for packaging? 19:33:46 GridCube: mr_pouit got a handle on that already 19:33:50 oh 19:33:52 okay 19:33:55 :) 19:33:55 charlie-tca: knome: thank you for the boot menu and logo "investigations" ;-) 19:33:58 charlie-tca, with madnick, we'll handle those after the meeting, just some final tweaks for the artwork 19:34:04 mr_pouit, no problem sir ;) 19:34:10 Thank you, knome 19:34:12 mr_pouit, i'll let you do the technical part though 19:34:18 eww :p 19:34:23 mr_pouit: you are most welcome. Glad we finally got one 19:35:06 madnick, knome : ubuntustudio might want to discuss lightdm themes too 19:35:20 They are trying to figure out how to do what you did! 19:35:36 charlie-tca, probably better to ask madnick about the code 19:35:57 I will tell them, if madnick is okay with that? 19:36:02 sure 19:36:34 Great! 19:36:34 * astraljava hails charlie-tca re: studio - lightdm 19:36:42 yup 19:36:56 madnick will be happy to explain what he did 19:37:03 [TOPIC] ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== 19:37:03 TOPIC: ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== 19:37:33 Testing is slow. We need to get on top of it again. We do have a tracker for daily testing at: 19:37:45 http://www.google.com/url?q=http://2tu.us/3dmh&usd=2&usg=ALhdy2__BW8olO1HKH4HdYEcAVhIv6zxCw 19:38:05 Yep, thankfully, work slows down a bit, so I'll have more time for that. 19:38:06 .. 19:39:06 http://2tu.us/3gn1 19:39:10 That's better 19:40:06 mr_pouit: Do we need a separate bug report for each application giving us fails with the stuff at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/77809901/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20-%20220811%20-%2012%3A22%3A14.png 19:40:09 I have both images now for today 19:40:29 We have several apps failing for the same things not updated? 19:41:02 I will try to help with testing from tomorrow :] 19:41:03 charlie-tca: it should be a transient issue 19:41:23 I think they were updated tomorrow, so maybe they have not propagated to all mirrors? 19:41:27 Okay, more reasons to keep up with the daily testing 19:41:30 s/tomorrow/today/ 19:41:36 mr_pouit: I get them from main 19:41:48 oh, nm 19:42:18 We just have to keep checking to see if they fixed this week 19:42:29 e.g. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-August/007395.html 19:42:30 where I can get daily images? 19:42:46 !topic 19:42:46 Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic 19:42:52 i've done tests today 19:42:54 Olbi: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ 19:43:06 this week i can do a few more, everyday hopefully 19:43:09 GridCube: updated the spreadsheet? 19:43:12 yes 19:43:14 charlie-tca: thx very much 19:43:15 Thanks 19:43:23 Olbi: you are welcome 19:43:29 Any other questions for testing? 19:43:47 [TOPIC] ==== Website & Marketing ==== 19:43:47 TOPIC: ==== Website & Marketing ==== 19:44:00 pleia2 and knome : your turn please 19:44:04 website is looking good :) 19:44:08 knome has updates 19:44:12 charlie-tca, we're forwarding the code to IS today 19:44:15 I hear good things! 19:44:18 charlie-tca, once i get there 19:44:20 w00t! 19:44:37 IS will need to do code review for the theme and plugin, hopefully it won't take long 19:44:48 hopefully... 19:44:55 once that's done we'll be able to work on the staging server, moving all content over 19:45:14 People are expecting more news and information about Xubuntu. Any ideas? 19:45:45 charlie-tca: agree 19:45:48 try to make the blog more open to new contributors than it is now 19:46:01 what blog? 19:46:10 the news area? 19:46:13 well, the xubuntu website "blog"/news 19:46:16 site is good, but it need some local transaltions :] 19:46:20 yes, as discussed earlier 19:46:29 pleia2, crap, translations 19:46:34 pleia2, let's add them later 19:46:34 We need to be telling people they can submit articles anytime they want. 19:46:35 :) 19:46:53 but we won't ever have everyone entitled to upload, I don't think 19:47:03 maybe news about new programs from xfce mailing lists? 19:47:04 we'll need to talk to someone who knows more about translations, I don't know best practices for this 19:47:16 Olbi: any idea how to do the translations? 19:47:35 charlie-tca: thinking :) 19:47:51 charlie-tca: what framework is used for site? 19:47:55 wordpress 19:48:01 pleia2, there is a good plugin for WP for translations 19:48:08 knome: good :] 19:48:09 knome: ah, nice 19:48:14 Obvious, I guess... ML should have reminders about articles and where to submit them ? 19:48:17 so we are at home 19:48:56 pleia2, http://wpml.org/ 19:49:01 we need testing page for transaltions 19:49:11 the translations bug report is here, so if people have thoughts: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/797600 19:49:12 Ubuntu bug 797600 in Xubuntu Website "Impossible to translate the Xubuntu website" [Undecided,Confirmed] 19:49:23 oh wait, that says "purchase" ? hmm, need to investigate :| 19:49:56 pleia2, http://wpml.org/purchase/non-profits/ too 19:49:59 xD 19:50:12 .. 19:50:23 Continuing on then, 19:50:26 [TOPIC] ==== Artwork ==== 19:50:26 TOPIC: ==== Artwork ==== 19:50:34 I don't see ochosi back yet. 19:50:40 knome: any update? 19:50:47 about what exactly? 19:50:57 do you know what happened to the greybird updates for Oneiric? 19:51:01 no 19:51:09 knome: can you add the nonprofit link to the bug report so we remember it? 19:51:12 There were some being done, but we seem to have lost them 19:51:20 pleia2, sure 19:51:30 ty 19:51:32 When will ochosi be back? 19:51:33 artwork is great, but I think theme from official Ubuntu is so good :] 19:51:56 charlie-tca, probably tomorrow for a while. he doesn't have a shell right now, but email works 19:52:02 okay 19:52:16 worries me that we lost those upgrades to greybird 19:52:53 they are most probably in github anyway 19:52:56 Okay, any other questions / comments for website, marketing, artwork? 19:53:15 I saw in some themes that characters are seen after changing 19:53:22 arent 19:53:27 right, knome. I think that is where those of us that got them went 19:53:43 i'll get the livecd menu image changed 19:53:43 anything specific, Olbi ? 19:53:50 :) 19:54:15 charlie-tca: I have to check it one more time to say which 19:54:26 charlie-tca: and what 19:54:27 file bugs on the themes that it happens in? 19:54:44 [TOPIC] === Announcements === 19:54:44 TOPIC: === Announcements === 19:55:03 * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-28 at 22:00 UTC 19:55:05 * Important dates coming up: 19:55:07 * 11.10 BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC 19:55:09 * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC 19:55:11 * 11.10 Beta1: September 1 19:55:13 * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 19:55:15 * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24. 19:55:17 * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/ 19:55:19 two days left to apply for UDS sponsorship 19:55:41 Note the UI freeze and beta1 freeze! 19:55:59 [TOPIC] === Any Other Business === 19:55:59 TOPIC: === Any Other Business === 19:56:01 * Blueprints 19:56:03 * We should blueprint at least for default applications 19:56:24 mr_pouit: I think we should at least blueprint and have one uds session for default apps 19:57:02 it would eliminate the time gap we have now deciding what is going to stay and what is going to change 19:58:03 interesting 19:58:08 so when will be official blueprint for 11.10? 19:58:21 already 19:58:34 my bad, sorry :P 19:58:35 11.10 will be released in October. 19:58:35 if you think so (I'm not sure we've _that_ many apps we want to change, so maybe blueprints are overkill ;-) 19:58:42 I'm guessing charlie-tca referred to next devel cycle. 19:59:12 Let's think on it, anyway. It would help get us some recognition from the Ubuntu side of things, too. 19:59:14 oh o/ 19:59:27 greybird isnt updated 19:59:33 in oeneric 19:59:37 right 19:59:54 ochosi will be back tomorrow, hopefully, and can push the updates in to mr_pouit 20:00:19 Olbi: you wanted to discuss abiword? 20:00:22 he might have to check whats happening whit gtk3 20:00:35 This is the time for it 20:00:52 i get warnings from it all the time in oneiric 20:01:00 afaik, the freybird gtk3 theme is still WIP :| 20:01:01 (for thursday, we've got to sort out the plymouth 16bit theme fallback, the lightdm greeter, and the greybird update ;p) 20:01:10 I, for one, support abiword 20:01:18 plymouth and lightdm are ready today 20:01:43 madnick: gonna get a new tar file to mr_pouit today? 20:03:14 * GridCube thinks we shouldnt even pack ristretto 20:03:20 charlie-tca: yes 20:03:41 i don't agree with GridCube. there was a discussion about this earlier, and we decided to keep ristretto. 20:03:45 however, since mr_pouit already packaged it, perhaps its better to use send the affected files? 20:03:51 ristretto's memory consumption has been fixed now 20:04:07 but it doesnt add up nothing gThumb doesnt do better 20:04:09 mr_pouit: new complete tar or just the changes? 20:04:22 anyway, thats my opinion 20:04:32 madnick: what you prefer 20:04:58 Olbi: Why do you think abiword is not good? 20:05:14 mr_pouit: okay 20:05:37 GridCube, there is going to be lots of updates to ristretto soonish, and as it's an "xfce" app, i'd like to prefer it ti gthumb. the improvements won't make it into oneiric, but it's more consistent to keep ristretto for this release too, if we're going to drop gthumb in the next. 20:05:57 okay 20:06:02 i understand that 20:06:04 :) 20:06:16 good. that was pretty much the only reason to keep ristretto 20:06:18 remains to be seen if we want ristretto or gthumb in the lts, I guess 20:06:25 yes, exactly 20:06:28 I've a patch ready to plug some memleaks 20:06:32 but ristretto should be good :) 20:06:57 if ristretto could add text yes i would choose it over anyother 20:06:59 yes, that ristretto developer worked hard to patch the leaks. 20:07:08 (I committed it to the debian packaging, but I haven't uploaded yet) 20:07:12 GridCube: put in a wishlist for it? 20:07:30 (if it would actually figure out that im opening a folder whit lots of fimages too, it doesnt do that now on oneric) 20:07:31 okay, anything else we need / want to discuss? 20:07:42 not from me 20:07:48 mr_pouit: will those patches make oneiric? 20:08:25 sorry for afk 20:08:43 Beta1 is next week! Let's get a good writeup with all the changes for it, please! 20:08:44 charlie-tca: yeah, I'll try to upload soon 20:08:48 charlie-tca: Abiword isnt so popular 20:08:53 why? 20:09:16 Abiword has most of the functionality of openoffice / libreoffice writer 20:09:25