#title #ubuntu-tv Meeting Meeting started by MrChrisDruif at 17:03:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-tv/2011/ubuntu-tv.2011-11-23-17.03.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV (MrChrisDruif, 17:05:11) ''LINK:'' http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/22/%23ubuntu-tv.html (MrChrisDruif, 17:05:44) *Prioritizing the list Meeting ended at 18:08:46 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * MrChrisDruif (91) * dmj726 (28) * AlanBell (28) * popey (23) * callumsaunders1 (18) * IAmNotThatGuy (14) * Wellark (13) * tgm4883 (6) * imnichol (6) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 17:03:18 #startmeeting 17:03:18 Meeting started Wed Nov 23 17:03:18 2011 UTC. The chair is MrChrisDruif. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 17:03:18 17:03:18 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 17:03:42 Welcome everyone, now we get "official" 17:03:54 Raise your hands for attendance 17:03:57 o/ 17:04:01 Indeed 17:04:01 o/ 17:04:03 o/ 17:04:05 o/ 17:04:27 o/ 17:04:40 tgm4883 is unfortunately missing because of two interview back-to-back 17:04:53 oh, is the meeting actually now? 17:04:58 Yup 17:05:00 you're not just testing the bot? 17:05:01 popey, lol yep 17:05:02 oh, sorry 17:05:03 ☺ 17:05:11 #link http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV 17:05:26 (Quiet link acceptance?) 17:05:34 And another one 17:05:44 #link http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/22/%23ubuntu-tv.html 17:06:22 The first link is to the document we are about the further discuss. To know what has been discussed already, please look in the second link 17:06:23 Okay. Carryon 17:06:56 #topic Prioritizing the list 17:07:26 MrChrisDruif: yeah, #link doesn't do a massive amount right now, there is a bug about that 17:07:37 <_<" 17:07:49 It's still useful to mention the links =) 17:08:00 yes 17:08:51 We were going down the list from top to bottom and we got to Collaboration with Ubuntu devices 17:09:47 Does everybody understand the different sections? (They are pretty explanatory if you ask me) 17:09:52 hi! sorry for being late! 17:10:08 Welcome Wellark 17:10:13 Personally I think collaboration is high importance 17:10:31 It could be a pretty key differentiator for Ubuntu devices 17:10:44 +1 17:11:21 I'm not sure to put it in the high section. 17:11:47 Mark seems fairly keen on the idea too 17:11:54 yes, +1 17:11:59 i agree with with dmj726 17:12:10 high 17:12:15 as I've understood the "Unity Experience" is also largely about collaboration 17:12:19 MrChrisDruif, Any reasons for that thought? 17:13:14 Well, I think it might be a very good feature to have, I do think we shouldn't put it in the high because I don't know how many devs we will have and we can't have it all in high 17:13:55 Well, I think it's important to design with it in mind than to tack it on after all other things are implemented 17:14:14 well, I think the rest can be other than "high" :) 17:14:40 but collaboration between devices as high 17:14:41 Wellark; How do you mean? The things that are now in high you mean? 17:14:54 I mean the uncategorized ones 17:15:00 Okay, noted 17:15:09 there are only two left after this one 17:15:43 the high priority list seems to be pretty good package 17:15:56 So collaboration in High? 17:16:07 high 17:16:31 +1 17:16:55 Btw I had a note added after the meeting about the previous item 17:17:06 But you should consider what MrChrisDruif is talking about. Starting it with less number of developers will also lead to some wrong tracks and delay in work 17:18:17 We should try to figure out how many developers the project really has. 17:18:19 That is certainly something to keep in mind, but it's prospected to not have anything very functional until 13.04 or something 17:18:50 It's probably more important to get it right than get it done quick and have to backtrack 17:19:23 +1 17:19:25 Indeed 17:19:50 I don't feel the HIGH section is too cumbersome 17:19:51 dmj726, True. But if you ask me, then I will say "What about finding the right developers be the high priority job? =]" 17:20:12 is there a hardware reference specification? 17:20:14 anyway the items in high section have to be prioritized 17:20:26 So we should decide what the core functionality needs to be for a compelling offering, and then work toward that. 17:20:43 is it ARM or Atom for example? 17:20:46 all of it. except home automation 17:20:56 dmj726; that was the main reasoning in the different sections 17:20:56 what screen resolution? full HD? 17:21:00 that list should be ubuntu tv 1.0 17:21:31 0.00001 17:21:38 Haha, popey 17:21:51 popey +1000 ;D 17:22:02 also some things are easier to bolt on after the fact and others are much harder to change once you've gone far 17:22:13 What is absolutely required, is essential 17:22:33 That's why the plugin system is in high 17:22:53 It's not necessary, but it's a very useful way to add functionality later on 17:23:02 So essential is "what do we need for a working TV" 17:23:06 Yup 17:23:19 High is the "cool" system 17:23:31 We can even plan how it should be and can keep it for the next version (If needed) 17:23:31 Medium is the "awesome" system 17:23:32 high is "what do we need for a device that people will want beyond an ordinary tv" 17:23:33 yeah 17:23:57 And low is the "ICan'tDescribeThisInWords" system 17:24:50 for reference I suspect that control from portable devices will be very easy once we have Collaborate with other Ubuntu devices, just a little work on top of that framework 17:25:26 Yeah, that's why we initially put it in medium 17:25:39 and Push media to/from other Ubuntu devices / Media syncing capabilities would also fit within the framework 17:26:08 so implement collaboration framework and the other two are specific applications thereof 17:26:48 I tend to agree on that (I'm not a dev) 17:27:19 yeah, that sounds good 17:27:43 so we need the collaboration framework because that lets other devs make the TV very cool 17:28:17 this needs to be in tablet & phone & pc aswell 17:28:30 yes, it should be everywhere 17:28:40 So either all those should be in high OR in medium, and if we'd have to call it now I'd say high (seeing the functionality of collaboration with tablet/phones) 17:29:01 okay 17:29:10 Everyone agrees on that? 17:29:14 sure 17:29:18 sure 17:29:51 Alright, I'll move it up (and rephrase it after the meeting) 17:30:18 okies 17:30:48 I've put a note in the last one from the high (now at least) about collaboration with Ubuntu Phone & Tablet 17:31:21 I think we should also let them in on the "action" and pitch in where it's logical 17:31:42 yeah 17:31:50 (Luckily I've noticed that a lot from #ubuntu-phone & #ubuntu-tablet are already here) 17:32:13 But we still should give a shout-out to them on their mailing-lists 17:32:19 Also, input from other devices greatly enhances our 10' UX capabilities 17:32:44 (think typing on tablet vs typical TV keyboards for search) 17:33:01 its just gravy 17:33:03 True that (or even a laptop =) ) 17:33:20 Anyhow, shall we continue down the line? 17:33:33 maybe gravy, but definitely a pain point on traditional ui 17:33:34 yep 17:33:36 k 17:33:38 moving on 17:34:04 Alright, next one is: Sharing media with friends 17:34:17 it's a good way to get word out 17:34:48 With social media, think of youtube like/dislike, facebook, twitter, diaspora, what-have-you? 17:34:48 I think this sounds like a great plugin if done right 17:35:30 i would say low 17:35:32 Indeed, but now it's about prioritizing =) 17:36:03 low +1 17:36:17 I would say medium as low is really "awful" things like home automation, which might even be more for server than tv 17:36:38 yeah, higher than home automation, but not high 17:36:44 But home automation should have a friendly shell for which a TV might be a good medium 17:36:56 So medium is good I think 17:37:03 Home automation would be a good app for a tv 17:37:12 +1 on that callumsaunders1 17:37:46 Alright, next is Purchasing media 17:38:10 this would mostly be web interfaces for stores? 17:39:34 Yes, I would think so. Use case: search for a movie > if it is available for purchase it gets highlighted in the search results 17:39:57 I think of VOD (in high quality of course) 17:40:00 youtube do movies now, is that part of their api? 17:40:23 * MrChrisDruif doesn't know, nor care at this moment 17:40:32 lol ok 17:40:38 Is it in the right location in medium? 17:40:41 i would say medium 17:41:03 +1 on that 17:42:12 First a good basis/rich system, then we can think about financial stuff like buying content 17:42:30 So medium it is? 17:43:10 Silence says it all I think, moving on =) 17:43:33 Next has already been done I think: Home automation 17:43:51 Anyone disagreeing with the Low priority? 17:43:59 not even sure it should be there at all 17:44:54 That's the advantage of low priority, we can always decide to drop it all together in a later stage, but for now I'd say keep it in =) 17:45:51 If Ubuntu want a complete system, then home automation should get a place in there. For the front-end I think it's a good idea to have it on TV 17:46:07 Any other comments? 17:46:31 im happy 17:46:38 Good to hear =) 17:46:44 Alright, moving on 17:47:06 There has been an addition since yesterday: TV Guide 17:47:50 I think this one falls under Watching Media in Essential 17:48:59 Otherwise it could be easily implemented with the plugin system; devs what do you think? 17:50:11 dmj726? popey? IAmNotThatGuy? Others? 17:50:17 * AlanBell thinks mythbuntu does all of this already 17:50:25 it needs a unity theme 17:50:37 with lancher and lens type gui 17:50:55 then everything is either already done, or a mythtv plugin 17:51:08 already has the 10' /3m user interface 17:51:27 If we need some changes, then we can work on that plugin 17:51:30 TV guide is there, weather, home automation stuff like that 17:52:01 AlanBell; I think it was tgm4883 that already commented that we should try to use current software solutions 17:52:32 so a chunky launcher bar on the left selecting live tv, recorded stuff, playback of DVDs (which would already pop up in the launcher) 17:52:43 lens for current live channels 17:52:49 So if Mythbuntu already fits the bill, that would save a lot of effort 17:53:06 however, what are we targetting? 17:53:24 Hardware-wise you mean? 17:53:28 what is the hardware platform? does the OEM team have a customer hardware specification in mind? 17:53:58 hardware, broadband connectivity, screen resolution, screen size etc 17:54:15 is this for a settop box or something integrated in TVs? 17:54:16 Do we even have a OEM team? =/ 17:55:01 yes, canonical has an OEM team 17:55:17 Alright, then we haven't spoken to them about that 17:56:06 Back for 2 minutes before the next interview 17:56:25 were there concept drawings done for unity on tv when unity was being designed? 17:56:28 tgm4883; I wanted to close up, but if you have anything to say, do so =) 17:57:43 looks good, the TV guide data is necessary for any DVR type functionality 17:58:10 AlanBell, Mythbuntu does fit the bill for a lot of this, but I think we need to change the frontend 17:58:10 AlanBell; any suggestions for what we should do next? Speak to which teams, to get an idea of what kind of concept canonical already has envisioned for Ubuntu TV? 17:58:24 I don't think the MythTV frontend is capable/flashy enough for what we want 17:58:28 I suggested XBMC 17:58:54 fine, whichever 17:59:03 and time for interview #2 17:59:47 we could contribute improvements upstream for one or the other 17:59:57 Indeed 18:00:08 Hey everyone, that meeting still happening? 18:00:27 is it for ARM or x86? 18:01:33 Does anybody feel for inquiring for this information? 18:01:46 * popey returns 18:02:06 And besides ARM or x86; settop-box or integrated 18:02:15 both and both 18:02:17 :D 18:02:21 there, that was easy 18:02:23 Probably 18:02:40 I dont think we're far enough down the line to make decisions about hardware platforms 18:02:45 full HD? 18:02:49 yes 18:03:02 where full = 1080p 18:03:07 yup 18:03:36 that makes a huge difference in gui design 18:03:50 yeah, needs a massive interface 18:04:00 big fonts, big icons/pictures 18:04:08 cover art etc 18:04:10 and crisp, svg all the way 18:04:20 That's the idea of 10' interface, right? 18:05:45 17:58:10 < MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; any suggestions for what we should do next? Speak to which teams, to get an idea of what kind of concept canonical already has envisioned for Ubuntu TV? 18:05:53 Anyhow, I'm wasted. Shall we call it a day? 18:05:55 Design Team and Product Strategy 18:06:05 Thanks popey =) 18:06:06 (are who you might want to speak to) 18:06:07 Are we going to return to the idea of home automation at all? 18:06:11 Or did I miss that? 18:06:13 willcooke and myself both work in product strategy 18:06:25 imnichol; we will keep it low for now =) 18:06:26 and the design team live in #ubuntu-design 18:06:47 Ok cool. I've got some concerns about the right place for it, but I'll register them later 18:06:53 I think for a first run the main focus should be "choosing video to play" and "playing video" ☺ 18:07:04 imnichol; read the logs afterwards 18:07:11 where that content comes from who knows, how we play it, who knows.. 18:07:32 MrChrisDruif: reading them now. 18:07:57 popey; AlanBell; others; shall I #endmeeting ? 18:08:10 fine by me 18:08:21 yea 18:08:25 yup 18:08:26 Alright 18:08:43 Thanks everyone for showing up and raising your voice =) 18:08:46 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)