== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Music meeting, 04 Mar at 17:00 — 17:48 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2016/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2016-03-04-17.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://developer.jamendo.com/v3.0 
''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JHIQrszKFuypUT-nSbJLC3n3ovDZRnsAMV1U8g96AsM/edit#gid=419590646 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1413821 came up again



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (107)
 * ahayzen (107)
 * dpm (5)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 17:00 <popey> #startmeeting Music meeting

 17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar  4 17:00:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 17:00 <popey> Boom!

 17:00 <popey> How are you?

 17:00 <ahayzen> synchronised

 17:00 <popey> Sorry about the confusion earlier.

 17:00 <ahayzen> good thanks, you?

 17:00 <ahayzen> haha it's cool

 17:00 <popey> Turns out _next_ friday is when I need to be at school :)

 17:00 <popey> Super.

 17:00 <ahayzen> ah cool

 17:00 <popey> Eagerly looking forward to that converged branch

 17:01 <popey> Also, wondering if dpm plans on tackling a snap of Music app sometime :)

 17:01 <popey> (he made a calc and clock one)

 17:01 <ahayzen> ooo

 17:01 <popey> I figure music would be harder because it would need access to music, and thumbnailer and mediascanner etc.

 17:01 <ahayzen> a Snap for ... ? Desktop ?

 17:01 <popey> yes

 17:01 <ahayzen> Xenial ?

 17:01 <popey> yes

 17:02 <dpm> popey, you're asking me if I'm feeling brave? :)

 17:02 <ahayzen> hmm that's have Qt5.6 QtMultimedia right?

 17:02 <dpm> I intendently started with calc, as the one with less dependencies

 17:02 <popey> It can have whatever it wants inside the snap :)

 17:02 <ahayzen> as it needs something with the bgplaylists code in the MediaPlayer thing

 17:02 <ahayzen> heh

 17:02 <dpm> after seeing it worked, I got excited and gave clock a go

 17:02 <popey> It's not dependent on the system qt

 17:02 * ahayzen has had a few concerns over Snap recently..but hopes most have been thought of

 17:02 <dpm> not sure I'm ready for mediascanner, though :)

 17:04 <ahayzen> hehe :-)

 17:04 <ahayzen> popey, is getting Snaps done a target for April ?

 17:05 <ahayzen> or a 'nice to have' :-)

 17:05 <popey> Well, there's a few reasons for doing it.

 17:05 <popey> 1, we're gonna go to snap eventually, so we should be prepared

 17:06 <popey> 2, we need to feedback requirements / use cases to the snappy / snapcraft devs

 17:06 <ahayzen> ah cool

 17:06 <popey> 3, It's the future ㋛

 17:06 <popey> And if we dont start building them now, we won't get our requirements on the backlog in time for the snappy 16 release

 17:07 <ahayzen> so the Phone will have a 'OS Snap' ... which includes all stuff like mir, qt, media-hub etc (maybe mediascanner?) ?

 17:07 <popey> Maybe

 17:07 <popey> Not sure that's all set in stone yet

 17:07 <ahayzen> like where does it crossover from the OS Snap to what we put

 17:07 <popey> Things are still a bit fluid

 17:07 <ahayzen> eg mediascanner, thumbnailer, media-hub, qt, are all 'platform' but also could be in our snap :-/

 17:08 <popey> I expect a kernel snapy, a core snap, and maybe a "phone" snap which has all the things you need on the phone, and then some others like the apps along side that

 17:08 <popey> the phone one will provide the frameworks that are needed by the apps

 17:08 <ahayzen> yeah

 17:08 <popey> But that's just a guess. It's all a bit blurry to me at the moment

 17:08 <ahayzen> that's what i've seen from Mark's presentations

 17:08 <popey> Yeah.

 17:09 <popey> Ok, lets move on :)

 17:09 <popey> We can come back to that another day.

 17:09 <popey> What's the current state of the convergence branch?

 17:09 <ahayzen> if dpm needs any help with anything, feel free to ping me :-)

 17:09 <popey> okay :)

 17:09 <ahayzen> popey, Victor is reviewing over the weekend :-)

 17:09 <popey> Did you say you had a fix for the search focus?

 17:09 <popey> Sweeet!

 17:09 <popey> Good answer

 17:10 <ahayzen> popey, yup should be 'all working' ... in my mind

 17:10 <dpm> awesome, thanks ahayzen!

 17:10 <ahayzen> popey, next up is sorting the issues the new UITK from silo 050 has introduced

 17:10 <ahayzen> popey, oh we have another branch that adds ScrollView to all our flickables...we should queue up that after the convergence

 17:11 <popey> Yeah, is silo 50 aimed to be in OTA 10?

 17:11 <ahayzen> popey, did you see my conversation with Tim in #ubuntu-app-devel ?

 17:11 <popey> yes

 17:11 <popey> sounds nasty :)

 17:11 <ahayzen> it is not nice

 17:11 <ahayzen> app goes from dark->white->partial white/dark->dark on startup

 17:12 <popey> DISCO MODE!

 17:12 <ahayzen> greyscale disco mode...

 17:12 <ahayzen> lol

 17:12 <popey> :)

 17:12 <ahayzen> popey, did you see the convergence designs made on the telegram group ?

 17:12 <popey> nope!

 17:13 <ahayzen> they are WIP and he was going to post on G+ when done..

 17:13 <popey> show me show me

 17:13 <ahayzen> i'll forward...

 17:13 <popey> ta

 17:13 <ahayzen> done, it is a light theme

 17:13 <ahayzen> but also shows what he'd (and i would like) the Tab component to look like in convergence mode

 17:15 <popey> niiiice

 17:15 <ahayzen> like with the new SDK palette stuff, we should do it all properly so we can theme

 17:16 <ahayzen> and then have a light/dark like that

 17:16 <popey> That would be great, and would be nice to have a leader app doing that

 17:16 <popey> (that's you)

 17:16 <ahayzen> heh, podbird does it IIRC ?

 17:17 <popey> oh, okay.

 17:17 <ahayzen> but i'd love to have all apps doing theming in a common way that could be set at system level

 17:17 <popey> a default installed, leading app :)

 17:17 <popey> +1

 17:17 * ahayzen prefers dark apps on a phone

 17:17 <ahayzen> but that light on a desktop could look nice :-)

 17:18 <ahayzen> popey, OK, so we can try and investigate this stuff once we have landed these convergence things and sorted the new UITK out

 17:19 <popey> Ok, previously we had "streaming" as the next thing to look at after convergence.

 17:19 <popey> We might have to push that back and wait for the web api?

 17:20 <ahayzen> we need design

 17:20 <ahayzen> everything else is cool i think?

 17:20 <ahayzen> obviously the media-hub side may need tidying up

 17:20 <ahayzen> and then we need to read the web api docs ... but really it is design we are blocked on for that i would say

 17:21 <ahayzen> popey, also we need to decide a second service

 17:21 <ahayzen> i saw your conversation on twitter with sil/d0od as well :-)

 17:22 <popey> Thought you might

 17:23 <ahayzen> we need a list

 17:23 <popey> soundcloud / deezer / pandora

 17:23 <popey> done

 17:23 <popey> :)

 17:23 <ahayzen> is that *it* ?

 17:23 <ahayzen> last.fm ?

 17:23 <ahayzen> pandora is US-only ?

 17:23 <popey> yeah

 17:23 <ahayzen> deezer is commercial ?

 17:23 <popey> last.fm and/or libre.fm

 17:24 <popey> dunno

 17:24 <ahayzen> libre.fm!

 17:24 <popey> these are just what the cool kids use

 17:24 <popey> you should know ㋛

 17:24 <popey> <- very far from being a) cool, or b) kid

 17:24 <ahayzen> and jamendo !

 17:24 <popey> They still exist?

 17:24 <ahayzen> haha .. https://www.jamendo.com/

 17:24 <ahayzen> cool kids use Apple Music, Google Music, Amazon ;-)

 17:25 <popey> wow, just clicked play and it works

 17:25 <ahayzen> i used it to test content-hub

 17:25 <ahayzen> as you can donwload

 17:25 <ahayzen> jamendo, is what Rhythmbox used to use

 17:25 <popey> yeah

 17:25 <ahayzen> they use libre.fm now?

 17:25 <popey> https://developer.jamendo.com/v3.0

 17:26 <ahayzen> it seems a possibility due to its open API

 17:26 <popey> 500,000 api calls a month

 17:26 <ahayzen> "Number of API requests per month"

 17:26 <popey> might be an issue

 17:26 <ahayzen> yah :-/

 17:26 <ahayzen> wonder if Canonical could do a deal

 17:26 <popey> yeah

 17:27 <popey> can you take a look at the api maybe, see if it could work out

 17:27 <ahayzen> "CONTACT US talk-to-us@jamendo.com +352 26 53 42 32 " ;-)

 17:27 <popey> and I'll speak to pitkin to see if we can get a deal with them?

 17:27 <popey> be good to have spotify & jamendo

 17:27 <ahayzen> popey, shall we start a google doc spreadsheet where we list the services .. then with a link to API docs

 17:27 <popey> oauth2 too

 17:27 <ahayzen> and Y/N if it is free, open API, has limitations etc

 17:27 <popey> great idea!

 17:27 <popey> list api limits and stuff in it

 17:27 <ahayzen> as i keep losing track which services we are talking about lol

 17:28 <popey> Shall I make it and share with you?

 17:28 <ahayzen> if that's cool, or i can do it after the meeting

 17:29 <popey> ok, lemme now

 17:29 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:29 <ahayzen> share with Victor as well

 17:30 <popey> done

 17:30 <popey> you have mail

 17:30 <ahayzen> sweeeeet

 17:31 <ahayzen> popey, ok another thing, the same guy that did the convergence designs asked if we would ever add lyrics support

 17:31 <ahayzen> i think that was on that master list somewhere

 17:31 <ahayzen> but i think it would be cool to have

 17:32 <popey> hm, maybe. Didn't other things get voted above that? ㋛

 17:32 <ahayzen> yeah i think

 17:32 <ahayzen> i'm just thinking long term

 17:33 <popey> ok

 17:33 <ahayzen> i'll have to dig out that spreadsheet

 17:34 * ahayzen notes he should organise his google drive so things are in folders :-)

 17:34 <popey> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JHIQrszKFuypUT-nSbJLC3n3ovDZRnsAMV1U8g96AsM/edit#gid=419590646

 17:34 <popey> there it is :)

 17:34 <popey> "Have the app automatically create dynamic playlists that show frequently played songs" was the top one :)

 17:35 <ahayzen> popey, hmm i don't see lyrics

 17:35 * popey is still listening to the Pop jamendo channel

 17:35 <popey> bopping along

 17:35 <ahayzen> yeah i think Favouriting i may have a shot at though

 17:35 <ahayzen> that was second on the list

 17:35 <popey> yeah, that would be good

 17:35 <ahayzen> dynamic playlists needs more thought

 17:36 <popey> I don't think we should block streaming on design

 17:36 <popey> but come up with something that works, and have them review it.

 17:36 * ahayzen needs to find a system which nicely organises his TODOs that he can access on phone/lappy...

 17:36 <popey> because otherwise we'll be waiting forever

 17:36 <ahayzen> popey, yeah i think we should start investigating the WebAPI and pester design

 17:36 <popey> ya

 17:37 <ahayzen> also we should start migrating AP -> QUnit etc

 17:38 <ahayzen> popey, have you got 'the tablet' yet ?

 17:38 <ahayzen> or still on N7/10 or something ?

 17:39 <popey> no, i dont have one

 17:39 <popey> currently begging for one :)

 17:39 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:39 <ahayzen> also ...

 17:40 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1413821 came up again

 17:40 <ahayzen> i think my comment #7 is relatively simple to implement

 17:40 <ahayzen> or even better i wonder if you could do useUrlHandler = MediaStore.lookup(filename) !== null;

 17:41 <ahayzen> popey, who is working on file manager at the moment? or am i better off attempting something myself ?

 17:41 <popey> Carlos and Arto, but they're not super active

 17:41 <ahayzen> okies

 17:42 <popey> If you have time to have a go at it, that would be appreciated

 17:42 <popey> I know arto will review it.

 17:42 <ahayzen> popey, do you agree with #7 ?

 17:42 <ahayzen> if the path is /home/*/Music or /media/*/*/Music .. simply use url-handler

 17:43 <popey> seems reasonable, and is what docviewer is already doing

 17:43 <ahayzen> then you could do the same for /home/*/{Documents,Music,Pictures,Videos} or /media/*/*/{Documents,Music,Pictures,Videos}  .. to open docviewer, music, gallery, media-player

 17:43 <popey> it's a hac

 17:43 <ahayzen> hmm how do they do it?

 17:43 <popey> *hack

 17:43 <ahayzen> from their side? o.0

 17:44 <popey> they have a read-path in the manifest

 17:44 <popey> and write in fact

 17:44 <popey> which is okay as it's core app - nobody else can do it

 17:44 <popey> which is a bodge

 17:44 <ahayzen> hmm, so they compare all the files that they know about :-/

 17:44 <ahayzen> that'd be slow surely ?

 17:44 <popey> they don't have that many files usually

 17:44 <popey> not like hundreds of music files

 17:45 <popey> and I dont think they compare, not sure.

 17:45 <ahayzen> yeah, until you start using LO in convergence mode with super big spreadsheets...

 17:45 <ahayzen> ok well if i get something, obviously we'll have to check it works for all apps

 17:46 <ahayzen> or just limit to the ones that needs it, eg music

 17:46 <popey> yeah

 17:47 <ahayzen> ok, think that is all for music..

 17:47 <popey> :)

 17:47 <popey> okay, thanks ahayzen

 17:48 <popey> #endmeeting



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