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15:00 <popey> how are you!
15:00 <popey> ?
15:01 <JMulholland> o/
15:01 <sverzegnassi> fine, thanks!
15:01 <popey> Super!
15:01 <popey> Some updates...
15:02 <sverzegnassi> JMulholland: hey! o/
15:02 <popey> i worked with balloons to finally get your no-cache merge to land, and work on jenkins
15:02 <popey> there was a problem that the caching wasn't being cleaned up between builds on jenkins
15:02 <popey> but now it is, so jenkins always builds in a way that pulls latest libreoffice
15:02 <balloons> AND, it versions properly now too :-)!
15:02 <popey> Oh, and that too!
15:02 <sverzegnassi> I've spotted it yesterday :)
15:03 <popey> We had bzr missing, and now it is back, so we get bzr revno in the click package name which is super news
15:03 <popey> I'm currently testing the app on my devices. No problem so far.
15:03 <sverzegnassi> that's really a great news!
15:03 <sverzegnassi> thanks balloons!
15:03 <popey> If I don't see any major issues, then I'll upload in the morning tomorrow. If you're okay with that
15:04 <sverzegnassi> So, we'll have an update with LO 5.0.5, the bottom-edge fix and the fix for the M10. It's okay for me!
15:04 <popey> Ya. Great!
15:04 <popey> I'm also working on the automated doc testing, but that's not done yet.
15:04 <sverzegnassi> I could then fix theming (silo-50 issues) without having to do it twice
15:05 <popey> Been manually testing for now.
15:05 <sverzegnassi> do you need some further document? :D
15:05 <popey> if you have some to share, sure :)
15:06 <sverzegnassi> I actually have more than 10 documents I use for testing. I'd need to check the copyright first (some of them are books I use for university)
15:07 <popey> Okay, yeah, I'm being careful about which examples I use.
15:07 <popey> Will use some copyrighted things for sure, but won't share those.
15:07 <sverzegnassi> ok!
15:07 <popey> Ok, that's the end of my updates :)
15:08 <sverzegnassi> haha... now it's my turn!
15:08 <balloons> perhaps using some public domain books would help?
15:09 <sverzegnassi> yup... I should have some CC-licensed statistics book on my PC, need to check!
15:10 <sverzegnassi> I did some progress with the PDF plugin btw. I know popey, you were complaining about its slowness. I had a look, and if I disable the tiled rendering, it performs very well (maybe still a bit slower, but it's fair)
15:11 <popey> Good! Any improvement you can make would be most welcome
15:11 <popey> It's only certain types of documents that seem to be slow though.
15:11 <popey> Not sure of the pattern.
15:12 <balloons> depending on how the pdf is encoded, they can get nuts on a limited device
15:12 <popey> yeah
15:12 <sverzegnassi> also, images and graphical resources are part of the problem...
15:12 <popey> well, interestingly the Linux Voice (image heavy) ones seem really quick to render
15:13 <popey> But yes, I don't know how they're encoded
15:13 <popey> might just be optimised well by the thing that generated them
15:13 <popey> (might be interesting to look at the metadata of PDFs)
15:14 <sverzegnassi> i would say that it depends also on the page you're viewing. Some Linux Voice's page is very slow to be rendered...
15:14 <popey> ah okay
15:14 <sverzegnassi> But I think there's not much to do with this... we don't have many options for tweaking things a bit...
15:16 <sverzegnassi> Probably, just thinking loudly, switching to an engine like Foxit could help - afaik Pdfium - the Chromium PDF engine - is based on it, and it's open source
15:16 <popey> Yeah, I can't imagine we can ever make it super fast
15:18 <sverzegnassi> Other update, I'm updating the UI of the app, using the new UITK components + some of the UX specs for clock-app and calendar-app
15:18 <sverzegnassi> https://imgur.com/a/KqczD
15:18 <sverzegnassi> (I don't like all that monochrome to be honest)
15:19 <popey> oooh!
15:20 <sverzegnassi> (huh, in the second screenshot - i.e. selection mode - the "textual button with icon" does not come from the specs)
15:22 <popey> Looks good!  😃
15:25 <sverzegnassi> anyway, I hope to deprecate that document browser soon :P
15:25 <popey> heh, with the one that has previews?
15:26 <sverzegnassi> yeah, but i'm not only about the thumbnails... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docviewer-app/+bug/1540350
15:26 <sverzegnassi> you know, the recents page + file manager concept
15:26 <popey> oh nice :) yeah
15:26 <popey> That'll be awesome.
15:27 <sverzegnassi> but, as we were discussing, we can't do that because of the potential security issues (we provide libreoffice and have full FS access is not fair) and content-hub is not ready yet :/
15:27 <popey> yeah
15:28 <sverzegnassi> but being able to do it with just a few places (Documents, Downloads and SD card) would be already great, IMHO
15:28 <popey> yeah
15:28 <JMulholland> indeed
15:30 <sverzegnassi> JMulholland: what do you think about it? I mean, what could I use as reference for prototyping it?
15:30 <sverzegnassi> (i.e. which apps or mock-up or...)
15:31 <JMulholland> I dont think we have anything quite like that at the moment I’m afraid
15:31 <JMulholland> but I’ll talk to the other designers incase there are apps/patterns Im overlooking here
15:33 <sverzegnassi> mmh... okay. I have some component ready since months, so I'll probably start playing with it in the next weeks.
15:34 <JMulholland> cool, let me know if you need any UX input/help (particularly as this may be something new)
15:34 <sverzegnassi> sure!
15:35 <sverzegnassi> huh, by the way, http://imgur.com/cJMXjpB
15:35 <sverzegnassi> JMulholland: I saw that the purple accent color has been removed from clock-app
15:36 <sverzegnassi> what's the position of the latest UX specs on this?
15:36 <sverzegnassi> I mean, should we keep all text grey inside a ListItem?
15:36 <JMulholland> yea, the purple was one of the things dropped in the recent visual overhaul
15:37 <JMulholland> I believe so, but am pestering one of the visual designers to clarify as we speak
15:39 <sverzegnassi> ok! I'm a bit unsure because clock-app has anyway some color - e.g. blue or red. All grey is a bit sad... :D
15:39 <popey> yeah, very little colour in the clock now, just blue at the top, and colour on buttons on the stopwatch
15:40 <JMulholland> there’s very little colour in the visual style over-all now, in the march toward a more ‘clean’ look. Bold colours tend to be reserved for things that really need to jump out
15:44 <sverzegnassi> ok, looking forward for further info in future. I really like the new style for dekko and calendar-app (and the new today scope)
15:45 <JMulholland> cool, we can help with styling DV in a smilar fashion, and it should only get easier as the SDK is updated
15:47 <sverzegnassi> yeah, as we complete the migration to all the new goodies from ota10, it will be a lot easier
15:48 <popey> +1
15:48 <popey> Super.
15:48 <popey> Ok, anything else to discuss?
15:49 <sverzegnassi> nothing from me
15:50 <JMulholland> me either
15:50 <popey> Awesome. Thanks guys!
15:50 <sverzegnassi> thank you, popey, JMulholland!
15:51 <popey> #endmeeting