== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Music meeting, 12 Feb at 17:01 — 17:54 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2016/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2016-02-12-17.01.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489591 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489850 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * ahayzen (131)
 * vthompson (59)
 * popey (51)
 * faenil (8)
 * karni (4)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 17:01 <popey> #startmeeting Music meeting

 17:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb 12 17:01:33 2016 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 17:01 <popey> Heya, hows you?

 17:01 <ahayzen> o/

 17:01 <ahayzen> good thanks you?

 17:02 <popey> Super

 17:02 <ahayzen> \o/

 17:02 <popey> So where are we? :)

 17:02 <ahayzen> streaming is 'working'

 17:02 <ahayzen> i think

 17:02 <ahayzen> other than the issues discussed before

 17:03 <ahayzen> so unless we get specifically poked, don't think we need todo any more on that for now

 17:03 <popey> okay

 17:03 <popey> I'll speak to John who will be flashing the devices that go out to MWC

 17:03 <popey> let him know the gotchas etc

 17:03 <popey> hello vthompson !

 17:03 <ahayzen> there is a 24hr hackathon at Brookes starting tonight, so i might hijack that event to work on convergence \o/

 17:03 <vthompson> hey popey, hey all

 17:04 <ahayzen> popey, remember only *some* devices will have the streaming stuff

 17:04 <ahayzen> popey, i would check what k_arni's plans are

 17:04 <ahayzen> vthompson, o/

 17:04 <vthompson> Someone should make a checklist that includes installing the codecs, and loading a playlist from the web app, etc

 17:04 <vthompson> ahayzen, o/

 17:05 <ahayzen> vthompson, i need to reread the emails, what was that .tar thing?

 17:05 <popey> Yeah, I'll play with it on a device here

 17:05 <vthompson> All the spotify stuff and the app itself

 17:05 <vthompson> So, we could put a apt-get install of any plugins in the install script I suppose

 17:06 <ahayzen> yeah, ...but you had to install codecs ?

 17:06 <vthompson> I did not have to

 17:06 <vthompson> It appears as though Lorn had to though

 17:06 <ahayzen> i just ran k_arni's instructions, they were pretty clear

 17:06 <vthompson> The tar is 100 times easier and you don't have to compile anything

 17:07 <ahayzen> 'gstreamer1.0-tools'

 17:07 <vthompson> Just 1 conf file to modify for the user credentials

 17:07 <ahayzen> ah maybe that came down in the build-dep

 17:07 <vthompson> oh yea, I bet

 17:07 <ahayzen> so other than that, i don't see much else for us todo

 17:07 <ahayzen> yeah there are probably some minor bugs

 17:07 <popey> I'll let you know after I test it  😃

 17:08 <vthompson> There are still quirks

 17:08 <ahayzen> but as popey said Joe and that lot usually have a specific set of tasks to demo

 17:08 <vthompson> Like you can't add to the queue using multiselect for spotify tracks

 17:08 <ahayzen> vthompson, that should be an easy fix

 17:08 <ahayzen> vthompson, i fixed the swipe

 17:08 <vthompson> I figured it would be

 17:09 <ahayzen> vthompson, probably missing makeDict() or something, i may have a look later

 17:09 <vthompson> But if this is just so people can give a demo, then that type of thing isn't really needed

 17:09 <ahayzen> popey, when are they making the phones for MWC? next week?

 17:09 <popey> exactly

 17:09 <popey> yes

 17:09 <ahayzen> so we need to get things by monday effectively?

 17:10 <popey> am just checking with John

 17:10 <ahayzen> thanks

 17:10 <vthompson> Does that include convergence?

 17:10 <popey> 17:10 < john-mcaleely> popey, I will do it onsite on sat/sun next weekend

 17:10 <ahayzen> vthompson, yup

 17:10 <popey> so thats next week

 17:10 <popey> so we have time

 17:10 <popey> 17:10 #phablet: < john-mcaleely> popey, so next week is good

 17:10 <ahayzen> vthompson, that's why i plan to spend all weekend getting convergence going

 17:10 <ahayzen> sweet \o/

 17:10 <vthompson> \o/

 17:10 <popey> Excellent

 17:11 <popey> they would like to lock the images on wednesday if poss

 17:11 <popey> but this will be on top of the image

 17:11 <vthompson> So the base image will have spotify?

 17:11 <popey> almost certainly not

 17:11 <ahayzen> vthompson, there will be like 3 specific ones with spotify

 17:11 <popey> will provide script / steps to John

 17:11 <vthompson> Or will we be putting 2 different blobs of music app on 2 different sets of devices

 17:11 <ahayzen> vthompson, that is what the email thread stated

 17:12 <popey> yes

 17:12 <vthompson> ok, cool

 17:13 <popey> ahayzen: do you have everything you need?

 17:14 <ahayzen> popey, just need to decide direction....

 17:14 <ahayzen> so what i'm thinking so far

 17:14 <ahayzen> use APL for left side (but don't actually split into many parts), use head sections for the tabs...and then have a fixed right side

 17:15 <ahayzen> so far i've found if you use the tabs it is full width

 17:15 <vthompson> So the far right would be Now Playing still

 17:15 <vthompson> I think doing exactly that would line up with the mockups of the music app that are everywhere

 17:16 <ahayzen> yup

 17:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, so only one section on the left

 17:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, we won't split like Albums | SongsView yet

 17:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, still stack them

 17:17 <ahayzen> however...

 17:17 <ahayzen> i need to see if the head sections overflowing bug has been fixed :-/

 17:17 <ahayzen> which i think it hasn't

 17:17 <karni> gstreamer tools - i think its actually not required (gstreamer should rebuild plugin registry). so, ignore if that si gle line fails in the install script from that spotify tarball

 17:17 <karni> *single

 17:17 <ahayzen> so if this was shown on mobile you wouldn't be able to scroll the head sections, and only see the first few :-/

 17:17 <ahayzen> vthompson, then we should be able to use the new headerbar thing to add a header to the now playing part

 17:18 <karni> no, no image will contain spotify. it will only be installed on 2-3 devices.

 17:18 <ahayzen> vthompson, you think that is probably the simplest for me todo? as it is basically a simpler version of what we did before

 17:18 <vthompson> ahayzen: I think so. Perhaps we should check with jouni or James

 17:19 * karni checks-out back to family meal at the table :)

 17:19 <ahayzen> vthompson, oh were you in the email thread? where i sortof asked that

 17:19 <ahayzen> karni, thanks :-)

 17:19 <ahayzen> vthompson, major thing is head sections vs tabs

 17:20 <ahayzen> vthompson, unless i can get a way of tabs not being full width, maybe inside APL or something

 17:20 * ahayzen wonder if f_aenil may know

 17:20 <popey> faenil: *poke* :)

 17:20 <vthompson> I see an email from Jouni asking to demo the converged app on January 12th

 17:20 * faenil wakes up

 17:20 <popey> yeah, nope.

 17:21 <ahayzen> faenil, the Tabs{} component, does it have to be fullwidth?

 17:21 <vthompson> Oh I see the Music Desktop thread now

 17:21 <faenil> ahayzen: no idea, sorry, never used it

 17:21 <ahayzen> vthompson, yah :-)

 17:21 <ahayzen> faenil, hehe, like you've seen the design mockup ?

 17:21 <ahayzen> faenil, they want a static right side (which we can do quite easily) .. but still tabs on the left, so far the Tabs{} is always full-width

 17:22 <ahayzen> i remember discussing with Tim, think it was going to eventually change

 17:22 <ahayzen> after the headerbar etc

 17:23 <vthompson> Tabs being full width means what exactly?

 17:24 <ahayzen> vthompson, then the right sidebar (now playing) can't have its headerbar thing

 17:24 <faenil> ahayzen: meeting ,brbr

 17:24 <ahayzen> to have the header actions

 17:24 <ahayzen> faenil, no problem

 17:24 <vthompson> Ok, gotcha

 17:24 <ahayzen> i think head sections maybe best to go with for now

 17:24 <ahayzen> but then we hit like

 17:24 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489591

 17:25 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489850

 17:25 <vthompson> The only thing I don't like about the sections is that IMO the user should be able to swipe between views... but on a keyboard and mouse view that's not an issue

 17:25 <ahayzen> which one is possible fixed

 17:25 <ahayzen> vthompson, swipe between views?

 17:26 <vthompson> Being able to go from say Albums to Artists by swiping in the center of the view

 17:26 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah, but you can't do that with tabs anyway?

 17:26 <vthompson> nope, but it wouldn't be expected when you have tabs

 17:26 <ahayzen> i guess

 17:26 <vthompson> And it's only a nitpick for the sections

 17:26 <ahayzen> but i think we'll just have to go for whatever works for now

 17:26 <vthompson> agreed

 17:26 <ahayzen> vthompson, report a bug/feature request ;-)

 17:26 <vthompson> hehe

 17:27 <popey> :)

 17:28 <popey> So really I'm hearing "I'll do what I can" ?

 17:28 <ahayzen> popey, yah, we'll get *something* working, that looks different between mobile vs tablet/desktop :-)

 17:29 <ahayzen> hehe 'convergence' \o/

 17:29 <vthompson> I think it's doable though, it's far simpler than what we had

 17:30 <popey> :)

 17:30 <popey> yeah

 17:30 <ahayzen> "Simple is better than complex."

 17:30 <vthompson> It's probably discussed in the email thread, but I guess Jouni's design isn't what I was thinking... he has the Album view on the far right

 17:30 <faenil> back

 17:31 <ahayzen> vthompson, far right?

 17:31 <vthompson> Nevermind, the start of the thread is from 2014

 17:31 <popey> hah

 17:31 <vthompson> I'll read from the bottom up

 17:31 <ahayzen> vthompson, 3rd feb one

 17:32 <ahayzen> vthompson, and as he said in the email, the SongsView would fill whole of the left side

 17:32 <ahayzen> which i don't like, but will have todo for now

 17:33 <faenil> I'm about to leave, anything else needed ahayzen? sorry I couldn't help with Tabs :/

 17:33 <ahayzen> vthompson, oh and for our previous debate, about what should happen when you scroll the now playing+queue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-tLisxSgM

 17:33 <vthompson> I don't think the SDK fully allows 3 panels anyway

 17:33 <ahayzen> faenil, no it's cool, thanks for your answers :-)

 17:33 <ahayzen> faenil, i'll pest you on telegram if i break things ;-)

 17:34 <ahayzen> vthompson, it would technically be 2 columns (APL) + a static sidebar

 17:34 <vthompson> oh like we played with before

 17:34 <ahayzen> yeah that was more what i was thinking before

 17:35 <ahayzen> vthompson, but for now we are going to have 1 column + a static sidebar

 17:35 <ahayzen> but i'm going to use the APL component, to hijack the moving of the header bar across etc i think

 17:36 <vthompson> For that video that's more or less what we had thought about doing, but it seemed hard to use when you have 100 songs and are scrolling all the way to the top just to see the now playing artwork

 17:36 <vthompson> But at least you'd always have the controlls

 17:36 <faenil> ahayzen: sure!

 17:36 <ahayzen> vthompson, would it be like the header bar though

 17:36 <ahayzen> vthompson, if you scroll down a bit then the art displays

 17:36 <ahayzen> vthompson, that is what i'd like

 17:36 <ahayzen> faenil, thanks :-) hopefully i'll be ok though

 17:36 <faenil> :)

 17:37 <ahayzen> vthompson, but it think we are unlikely to get that done for this demo, idk how todo the sticky stuff in QML with a listview, without some thought :-)

 17:37 <faenil> unfortunately I keep going from one task to the other so I haven't yet had the chance to try the toolkit as a "developer user", which would be greatly helpful to have a broader view over the current status of things I'm sure

 17:37 <vthompson> Ok, that makes more sense

 17:38 <ahayzen> vthompson, so basically, i'll try and get a simple branch with just the static sidebar on the right with now playing+ queue... and then something on the left likely using head sections and a stack of some kind

 17:38 <ahayzen> vthompson, then we can stack additional branches ontop of that?

 17:39 <popey> It would be good if this wasn't a throwaway branch too :)

 17:39 <vthompson> That sounds good to me--I'll be about this wkend to play around

 17:39 <ahayzen> popey, yeah if i modularise, it'll be easier to extract

 17:39 <ahayzen> as the old branch, i'm struggling to get the changes as it is once massive blob :-)

 17:40 <popey> heh

 17:40 <vthompson> Maybe we should make a google doc or blueprint to list the things we want to modularize and change to fit how we want to do this--but we don't have much time

 17:40 <popey> I'll be around too, but my skills are limited to breaking whatever you make

 17:40 <ahayzen> vthompson, maybe, i might if i get bored later

 17:41 * ahayzen wonders how much time he'll get in the hackathon to 'hack' on things :-)

 17:41 <ahayzen> popey, do you have a tablet?

 17:41 <vthompson> We do have this, which was abandoned: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XC5wItIqtayYdiKV2dl2y8_nuv_T_YzMfBtRtTc5pcI/edit

 17:41 <popey> I do not :(

 17:41 <popey> I think testing on desktop is sufficient

 17:41 <ahayzen> popey, awww, but it is tricky to test on desktop now

 17:42 <ahayzen> was just discussing in #ubuntu-media how to get bgplaylists on a Wily desktop

 17:42 <ahayzen> popey, does that unity8 container still work ?

 17:42 <vthompson> Xenial FTW

 17:42 <popey> pass

 17:42 <ahayzen> some of us need to use our machines for Uni work, so don't wanna risk Alpha releases :')

 17:43 <popey> I suspect vthompson uses it in a vm

 17:43 <popey> on his pretty machine

 17:43 <vthompson> You are correct sir

 17:43 <ahayzen> heh, RMS would be proud of you...

 17:43 <vthompson> I wonder if it's worth trying to jam the required packages in a ppa

 17:44 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah i was thinking of installing the debs, but don't wanna break things

 17:44 <ahayzen> also what about differing qt versions

 17:44 <vthompson> As we technically should have the packaging requirements in the debian directory for trunk

 17:44 <ahayzen> heh

 17:44 <ahayzen> i think that would be right for Xenial but not for Wily

 17:44 <vthompson> Oh I forget what version of Qt my VM is on for xenial, but yea, that's kind of a breaker

 17:44 <ahayzen> as Xenial has the new qtmultimedia that has bgplaylists

 17:45 <ahayzen> so yeah maybe a unity8 container is the way

 17:46 <vthompson> I can also test things on my Nexus 7 if you want me to

 17:46 <ahayzen> coolio

 17:46 <ahayzen> i'll let you know of my hacking progress

 17:46 <popey> Ok, anything else we need to talk about?

 17:46 <vthompson> \o/

 17:46 <ahayzen> currently mako is okish

 17:47 <ahayzen> erm we have loads of mini bugs we should also fix

 17:47 <ahayzen> but yeah 'bug fixing'

 17:47 <vthompson> And I think we have a few minor MPs lying around

 17:47 <vthompson> Mini bugs in trunk? Or in what the converged app would be?

 17:47 <ahayzen> mini bugs in trunk maybe

 17:48 <ahayzen> i have a suspicion about the bug that makes the app explode on launch

 17:48 <popey> Are they really "mini"?

 17:48 <popey> Like bite-size ones?

 17:48 <ahayzen> haha, idk

 17:48 <popey> Which we could put a call out for help with?

 17:48 <ahayzen> just not 'make convergence work'

 17:49 <ahayzen> they are complicated as it could be anywhere in the app

 17:49 <ahayzen> but the fix will likely be simple, let me have a look over the weekend

 17:49 <ahayzen> and we can tag any next week that are really bitesize

 17:49 <vthompson> hm, we'll let's at least try to file bugs for them when we hit them

 17:49 <ahayzen> but most of them require you understand the whole app

 17:49 <ahayzen> vthompson, there is a bug for this one...

 17:50 <ahayzen> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1530721

 17:51 <ahayzen> as everyone that has had it reports if you remove .config/com.ubuntu.music/ the app starts working

 17:51 <ahayzen> i'll defo have a look over the weekend :-)

 17:51 <vthompson> I wonder what gets corrupted in the config

 17:51 <ahayzen> anyway, we have 9mins to sprint though weather as we have overrun :')

 17:51 <ahayzen> vthompson, the currentIndex

 17:51 <vthompson> maybe start tab?

 17:51 <vthompson> ohhh

 17:51 <ahayzen> vthompson, if they have removed tracks that were on the device

 17:51 <popey> ooh

 17:51 <ahayzen> vthompson, queue becomes smaller, then tries to restore one longer than the queue

 17:52 <ahayzen> that is my current theory

 17:52 <vthompson> seems valid, and easy to test

 17:52 <popey> and fix

 17:52 <popey> :)

 17:52 <ahayzen> yeah, just need to test and debug :-)

 17:52 <ahayzen> so maybe while eating pizza later tonight :-)

 17:53 <popey> Ok. Anything else?

 17:53 <ahayzen> not from me i don't think

 17:54 <vthompson> Nothing here

 17:54 <popey> Super. Thanks chaps!

 17:54 <popey> Ping me on telegram if you need me to do anything

 17:54 <ahayzen> will do

 17:54 <popey> Have a great weekend.

 17:54 <popey> #endmeeting



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