== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Music app meeting, 05 Feb at 17:00 — 17:28 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2016/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2016-02-05-17.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489591 
''LINK:'' http://pad.lv/1489591 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (71)
 * ahayzen (66)
 * karni (42)
 * faenil (16)
 * Elleo (4)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 17:00 <popey> #startmeeting Music app meeting

 17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Feb  5 17:00:37 2016 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 17:00 <popey> Yo!

 17:00 <ahayzen> yo o/

 17:00 * popey pokes Elleo karni and ahayzen redundantly

 17:00 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:01 <popey> So from the mails it seems we're tantalisingly close to something that mostly works? :)

 17:01 <ahayzen> popey, do we need to talk to f aenil as well?

 17:01 <ahayzen> popey, mostly... it can play two tracks

 17:01 <popey> If faenil is around

 17:01 <popey> hah

 17:01 <ahayzen> then libspotify crashes

 17:01 <popey> that's long enough for a demo ;)

 17:02 <ahayzen> then media-hub dies and restarts, so you have to restart the app

 17:02 <ahayzen> popey, and currently there is a bit of a hack to get it launching unconfined

 17:02 <popey> But that doesn't happen with libspotify in Elleo's app

 17:02 <popey> implying there's something about the way we're using it with media-hub

 17:02 <ahayzen> having to run something like

 17:02 <ahayzen> qmlscene /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.music/current/app/music-app.qml --desktop_file_hint=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.music/current/com.ubuntu.music_music.desktop -I /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.music/current/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/

 17:03 <ahayzen> you have to give it the hint

 17:03 <faenil> sorry, was in a meeting

 17:03 <faenil> sup

 17:03 <popey> yo

 17:03 <faenil> but I've got chinese new year party now :D

 17:03 <faenil> so be quick :D

 17:03 <popey> haha

 17:04 <popey> 新年快乐

 17:04 <faenil> lol

 17:04 <ahayzen> popey, Victor says he is at work, but asks when a demo-able convergence app needs to be ready? (he assumes ASAP)

 17:04 <faenil> popey: 謝謝

 17:04 <popey> Basically, yes.

 17:04 <ahayzen> hmm i can type minimal Japanese...not Chinese :-/

 17:04 <faenil> popey: I went for traditional :P

 17:05 <popey> :)

 17:05 <faenil> ahayzen: google can type everything :D

 17:05 <ahayzen> faenil, yeah, but usually subtly incorrectly

 17:05 <popey> You want to do _what_ with my sister!?!?!

 17:05 <faenil> I'd never know anyway :)

 17:05 <faenil> hahaha lol

 17:05 <popey> So back on track.

 17:06 <popey> Yes, a converged view is something that product management are keen to show at MWC

 17:06 <popey> and James asked Ben for some of faenil's time to put something together as I understand

 17:06 <ahayzen> hahah anyway, popey so the situation at you can play 2 tracks, and have to run the command to start it. (the latest mail shows that they potentially have a lead to fix the latter) but libspotify crashing is a bigger issue

 17:06 <faenil> Jouni*

 17:06 <popey> oh, ok

 17:06 <popey> Yeah, the crashing libspotify is a killer for this.

 17:07 <ahayzen> popey, as there isn't much more from our side for the streaming demo, i plan to get on with convergence next week

 17:07 <popey> and not something anyone other than karni or jim can really do anything about

 17:07 <popey> ahayzen, that would be great.

 17:07 <faenil> great

 17:07 <popey> Do you have everything you need to get started?

 17:07 <ahayzen> popey, yeah it is out of our control, karni said he was going to talk to the spotify devs and see if they can fix it or something, but it is more their side than ours

 17:07 <popey> I mean, we have some product screenshots

 17:07 <ahayzen> popey, we have some super simple screenshots

 17:07 <faenil> I'm sweating blood to get everything done and start working on that, so if you want to start, you're very welcome :)

 17:08 <ahayzen> faenil, i'll probably start monday/tuesday

 17:08 <faenil> ahayzen: great, I'll probably join thu

 17:08 <faenil> (if everything else works out)

 17:08 <popey> Awesome

 17:08 <ahayzen> so we need to decide a few things like...

 17:08 <ahayzen> tabs vs head sections

 17:08 <ahayzen> will we use APL on the left part?

 17:09 <ahayzen> and then relevant limitations that surround those

 17:09 <ahayzen> eg can't remember if you can do tabs inside APL?

 17:09 <popey> you around on monday for a hangout with Jouni perhaps?

 17:09 <popey> to nail some of these down?

 17:09 <popey> I feel it might be faster

 17:09 <ahayzen> or then if you have head sections, you used to get bug 1489591

 17:09 * ahayzen looks around for a bot

 17:09 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1489591

 17:09 <popey> http://pad.lv/1489591

 17:09 <popey> hah

 17:10 <ahayzen> popey, i have lectures.... from 1400->1700 IIRC

 17:10 <ahayzen> so it'll be in the evening i'll start

 17:10 <ahayzen> but Tuesday i don't have anything i don't think

 17:10 <popey> You around in the morning to discuss?

 17:10 * ahayzen maybe sleeping :-)

 17:10 <popey> :)

 17:10 * popey tuts

 17:10 <popey> student life

 17:10 <faenil> hehe

 17:10 <popey> so long ago

 17:10 <ahayzen> ...for another 6 months... :'(

 17:10 <karni> hi folks, sorry for being late

 17:11 <popey> No problem karni

 17:11 <karni> I guess the time doesn't suit me so well, but nvm, all good

 17:11 * karni reads highlights

 17:11 <popey> karni, the short version is basically we're stuck on streaming with the libspotify crash

 17:11 <ahayzen> karni, the main thing was about libspotify crashing and the unconfined stuff

 17:11 <karni> yes

 17:11 <karni> I, and Victor, found the issue independently, I'm having it sorted

 17:11 <karni> the apparmor thing. consulting with Jim/Thomas

 17:11 <popey> the crash?

 17:12 <popey> ok.

 17:12 <ahayzen> cool :-)

 17:12 <karni> no, the thing where we start from laucnher and doesn't want to queue

 17:12 <karni> whereas started from terminal does

 17:12 <ahayzen> yeah, the issue where unconfined didn't work

 17:12 <karni> as it turns out, starting from terminal runs the app unconfined by default (huh? i wasn't aware of that)

 17:12 <karni> so, I'm sorting this out.

 17:12 <popey> well the terminal is unconfined itself

 17:12 <ahayzen> yeah, was super weird

 17:12 <karni> as far as crash is concerned, it's out of our control

 17:13 <karni> so we wrap this, and then poke Spotify, but I doubt we'll have anything changed by MWC

 17:13 <popey> But libspotify doesn't crash when used with Elleo's app

 17:13 <popey> So are we using it differently?

 17:13 <karni> Elleo: ↑ something I'm happy to pick your brains on

 17:13 <Elleo> I'll have a bit of a poke in gstspotify tonight, see if there's anything obvious it does differently

 17:14 <karni> Elleo: you mean gstspotify probably?

 17:14 <karni> regardless of all, I wanted to thank all parties involved. this has been done amazingly fast,

 17:14 <popey> Yeah, I'm impressed!

 17:14 <karni> I have shown this to Joe, and he was very happy to see us progress so well

 17:14 <ahayzen> yeah, it is awesome that i can play popey's music streamed from online with the display off :-)

 17:14 <karni> so, while  Ihaven't put the dot above 'i' letter yet, great job guys!

 17:15 <popey> Yeah, apologies for my music taste.

 17:15 <ahayzen> hehe :-)

 17:15 <popey> Ok. So can I check back with you Elleo next week and see if you got anywhere with gstspotify?

 17:15 <karni> good news is it is sufficient to restart the app to continue demo, so there's an easy way to 'get going'.

 17:15 <popey> ahayzen, we can chat early next week and I'll ask jouni for a time on tuesday to chat about convergence, okay?

 17:16 <Elleo> popey: yeah, only time I have free to look at it is tonight and tomorrow evening, so will know Monday if there's anything I can do

 17:16 <ahayzen> popey, yup :-)

 17:16 <popey> thanks Elleo

 17:16 <karni> Elleo: you rock

 17:16 <Elleo> no worries

 17:16 <popey> karni, well, how long is a typical MWC demo?

 17:16 <ahayzen> thanks Elleo :-)

 17:16 <popey> One song long?

 17:16 <Elleo> heh

 17:16 <popey> We can possibly work around this, if we had to.

 17:16 <ahayzen> popey, it takes a while for the app to start with the spotify stuff as well :-/

 17:16 <ahayzen> so really you'd rather that the app was preloaded

 17:16 <popey> play two spotify tracks, switch to local tracks

 17:16 <karni> popey: it's not about that. yes, one or two song is sufficient to show "look, we have this working", and it'll only be in hands of 3 of canonicalers, not users

 17:16 <karni> these devices will not be handed to users

 17:16 <popey> Exactly.

 17:17 <popey> We're very good at crafting careful demos :)

 17:17 <karni> ahayzen: "t takes a while for the app to start" -- I FIXZED IT ;)

 17:17 <karni> popey: haha

 17:17 <ahayzen> karni, really?

 17:17 <karni> ahayzen: I made it lazy load

 17:17 * popey remembers ubuntu phone 3 years ago which mostly consisted of cardboard cutout "applications" :)

 17:17 <karni> so when Spotify is not the last tab you had open when you closed the app, Spotify doesn't load until you open that tab

 17:17 <ahayzen> karni, do i need to update things? as for me the whole app/phone locks up as it loads the spotify tab

 17:18 <ahayzen> karni, yeah but when you go to the tab it take *ages*

 17:18 <popey> do we need a bounce or some other "busy" signal.

 17:18 <karni> ahayzen: oh, THAT. I haven't noticed that, was on WiFi. I suppose calling the spotifySignIn is blocking & all

 17:18 <ahayzen> at least it won't lock on the startup though

 17:18 <karni> ahayzen: you testing on mobile connection?

 17:18 <karni> ahayzen: right

 17:18 <ahayzen> karni, yeah, if you watch the console you can see *loads* of stuff coming back, maybe it is the size of popey's music collection

 17:19 <ahayzen> karni, i'm on WiFi to university internet, so super fast

 17:19 <karni> ahayzen: no, this is just heavy, multi-threaded spotify, sadly.

 17:19 <karni> ahayzen: that's weird. how long is long for you?

 17:19 <karni> you said ages

 17:20 <ahayzen> karni, and when we move to WebAPI, that part will be removed right?

 17:20 <ahayzen> karni, a good few seconds

 17:20 <karni> I guess that page loads in like 1-2 seconds for me. perhaps it's because I have little data and popey is a heavy user?

 17:20 <karni> probably that is the reason ↑

 17:20 <ahayzen> sometimes it is worse than others, like up to 10 maybe

 17:20 <karni> oh god lol

 17:20 <karni> ahayzen: well, yes. mostly because it should be done asynchronously, and some of it seems is not, if you notice app lock-up

 17:21 <ahayzen> i think the retrieving of thumbnails or something

 17:21 <popey> that's plausible, there's a ton of them

 17:21 <ahayzen> as it sometimes caches and launches super fast

 17:21 <ahayzen> but anyway, this probably doesn't matter for the demo

 17:21 <ahayzen> karni, "#After Clean: Tracks 8118 Artists 3736 Ablums 5696" is what i get :-)

 17:22 <karni> LOL

 17:22 <karni> that's it :)

 17:22 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:22 <ahayzen> many tracks

 17:22 <karni> I have 1 song, and 2 playlists (weekly picks or sth, and OWSLA with 88 tracks)

 17:22 <ahayzen> :')

 17:23 <popey> I can imagine Joe has a similarly large collection

 17:23 <karni> all right folks. I gotta go. Leave the apparmor issue with me, I'll document on monday setting up a demo device. I doubt we'll get anything from spotify, but I'll poke Joe and David then.

 17:23 <popey> We can make a smaller account perhaps

 17:23 <popey> thanks karni

 17:23 <popey> have a great weekend

 17:23 <ahayzen> awesome thanks karni

 17:23 <karni> popey: that's why we shouldn't use personal accounts of heavy users perhaps :'D

 17:23 <popey> QA :)

 17:23 <karni> have a fantastic weekend folks :) o/

 17:23 <karni> hahahahahaha

 17:23 <popey> :)

 17:23 <popey> Right, anything else Music related?

 17:24 <ahayzen> popey, only decisions for the convergence, but we can talk about that next week?

 17:24 * ahayzen thinks if there is anything else

 17:24 <popey> yup

 17:24 <popey> I'll fire a mail at you and jouni so we can find a time.

 17:24 * popey does that now

 17:24 <ahayzen> \o/ thanks

 17:26 <popey> done

 17:26 <ahayzen> there was a new thumbnailer that was breaking things as well IIRC

 17:26 <popey> yay

 17:26 <ahayzen> that needs looking at

 17:27 <ahayzen> popey, nothing in OTA9.5 affects us right?

 17:27 <popey> not that I'm aware of, I'd expect QA to notify us before now if it borked anything

 17:27 <ahayzen> yeah

 17:27 <ahayzen> ok think we are done for music

 17:28 <popey> ok, great

 17:28 <popey> #endmeeting



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