== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Music meeting, 15 Jan at 17:00 — 17:33 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2016/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2016-01-15-17.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' http://pad.lv/1534172 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1533779 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * karni (78)
 * popey (62)
 * ahayzen (60)
 * Elleo (41)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 17:00 <popey> #startmeeting Music meeting

 17:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 15 17:00:39 2016 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 17:00 <ahayzen> o/

 17:00 <karni> hah

 17:00 <ahayzen> karni, yup :-)

 17:00 <karni> indeed it is

 17:01 <karni> for the sake of brevity, if we do talk about it, please let's reference it as "music streaming" :)

 17:01 <popey> sure

 17:01 <popey> So typically we use this as a catch up

 17:01 <karni> coolio :)

 17:01 <ahayzen> popey, was there any result from the RTM meeting?

 17:01 <ahayzen> popey, Jim is still investigating things

 17:02 <popey> Only that the app is currently with QA

 17:02 <popey> I suggested that they talk to Jim

 17:02 <popey> They are also testing some other silos

 17:02 <ahayzen> popey, the case of camera Jim thinks they are using the multimedia not the alert role :-/

 17:02 <popey> and they _may_ be building an rc image later today

 17:02 <ahayzen> but that still doesn't explain why the queue gets cleared lol

 17:02 <popey> But I wouldn't be surprised if that actually happens next week

 17:02 <ahayzen> yeah a monday build :-)

 17:02 <popey> well there is a camera app in the pipeline to land

 17:03 <popey> so if thats the case then potentially that could be fixed and slipped in with that update

 17:03 <ahayzen> probably doesn't include a change, unless it was reported

 17:03 <ahayzen> popey, yeah i say after this we discuss with Jim and decide what actions todo

 17:03 <Elleo> heya

 17:04 <karni> hi Elleo

 17:04 <popey> ello Elleo

 17:04 <ahayzen> popey, note that it happens for telegram notifications and screenshoting as well .. so they may need changes we'll see

 17:04 <ahayzen> Elleo, o/

 17:04 <karni> ahayzen: the playlist clearing bug?

 17:04 <popey> yes

 17:05 <ahayzen> karni, bug 1534172

 17:05 <karni> ahayzen: I suppose for any time of notificaiton then :( ? sms, etc

 17:05 <ahayzen> ugh no bot! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1534172

 17:05 <popey> http://pad.lv/1534172

 17:05 <karni> yeah, saw the bug tho

 17:05 <karni> nasty

 17:05 <popey> no, only some

 17:05 <karni> oh

 17:05 <ahayzen> karni, some are fine some aren't

 17:05 <karni> :O

 17:05 <ahayzen> Jim is chasing

 17:05 <popey> Ok, so that's on Jim's plate.

 17:05 <popey> Let's move on :)

 17:05 <ahayzen> yup

 17:06 <popey> What do you need from Elleo / karni for music streaming ahayzen ?

 17:06 <ahayzen> since out last meeting, we had the ListItemLayout and GridView changes land :-) == super fast scrolling

 17:06 <ahayzen> ok

 17:06 <ahayzen> for the playback side, as karni was saying we should be able to pass the spotify url straight to the MediaPlayer

 17:06 <ahayzen> so that seems pretty simple

 17:06 <karni> for full disclosure I'll say I know as much about cutespotify as ahayzen after the meeting :D

 17:06 <karni> that is correct, ahayzen

 17:07 <ahayzen> it's the listing side that is going to be fun, sounds like we can either use libqtspotify? or their web api ?

 17:07 <ahayzen> then once we can get that into a ListModel like thing...it'll be simple for us to show it as a view

 17:07 <Elleo> yeah, web api has the advantage that it's a) not depricated and b) allows for oauth

 17:07 <Elleo> so could potentially integrate with online accounts

 17:07 <ahayzen> so really the questions are how do we get the models

 17:07 <karni> I wonder what's the best way to expose credentials to the app so that they're not up somewhere in a branch. I think env variables would work.

 17:07 <Elleo> but it'd likely be much quicker to just grab stuff from libqtspotify

 17:08 <ahayzen> karni, weather just stores them in the built click :')

 17:08 <karni> Elleo: do we *need* online account at this point though? does it make anything easier?

 17:08 <popey> put creds in ~/.config/com.ubuntu.music/

 17:08 <popey> because this is only temporary for now

 17:08 <karni> popey: +1

 17:08 <Elleo> karni: at this point no, but if deciding for the technology to base all the future stuff on it matters

 17:08 <popey> I'd hard wire them into a file in there, share with developers and people giving demos at MWC

 17:08 <ahayzen> popey, remember the other day i suggesting a APIKey storing component thing

 17:08 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:08 <popey> :)

 17:08 <karni> ahayzen: that means they'll be somewhere up in JEnkins. as long as this is not public (and I guess it is?) that'd be okay

 17:08 <Elleo> karni: I think long term the web api makes more sense, but short term libqtspotify is likely to be much quicker

 17:09 <popey> +1

 17:09 <ahayzen> Elleo, agreed

 17:09 <karni> Elleo: sure, we will definitely make use of online accounts

 17:09 <karni> Elleo: completely agree

 17:09 <Elleo> so it depends on if people mind redoing a bit of stuff between libqtspotify and the web api

 17:09 <ahayzen> well, for the demo we are only going to show like a basic list IIRC ?

 17:09 <karni> I just think we should be laser focused and if we don't *have* to do it now, we shouldn't do it. we can easily add it later tho.

 17:10 <karni> ahayzen: not too much fancy, yes. song list. if we pull it off early enough, perhaps playlist list, but I wouldn't go that far today.

 17:10 <ahayzen> yeah, so that means minimal tasks to perform with libqtspotify, hopefully

 17:10 <popey> I agree playlist support is "nice to have"

 17:10 <karni> tab/page -> song list, touch song -> song plays.

 17:10 <popey> and just showing the "Starred" list is sufficient for demo.

 17:10 <Elleo> yeah, I could take a quick look on sunday and see if I can get libqtspotify exposed to the music app

 17:10 <karni> popey: +1

 17:10 <popey> Joe didn't pooh-pooh that idea

 17:10 <Elleo> which'd provide you with a list model to play with

 17:11 <karni> popey: what's pooh-pooh? like boo-boo? :D

 17:11 <popey> dismiss

 17:11 <ahayzen> yeah, so it should be a simple as adding the .so into the click ?

 17:11 <Elleo> and then it's just music app UI and handing off to media-hub that'd be left to do, if that helps?

 17:11 <karni> Elleo: well tat would be perfect, though you don't have to give up your weekend for it

 17:11 <karni> Elleo: very much so :)

 17:11 <ahayzen> Elleo, yeah from there we can just copy what we do in the Songs tab already ?

 17:11 <ahayzen> (that just takes a SongsModel from mediascanner2)

 17:11 <karni> ahayzen: yes (re: .so file)

 17:12 <Elleo> ahayzen: I expect so, the exact properties on the model might differ a bit, but otherwise pretty similar

 17:12 <karni> TBH it's amazing to know music app is pure QML :D

 17:12 <ahayzen> yeah cool :-)

 17:12 <Elleo> I might need to rework the build for libqtspotify a bit, as at the moment I think it gets statically compiled into cutespotify

 17:12 <karni> Elleo: yeah, this is easily changable in QML though (field names, etc) right :)

 17:12 <ahayzen> karni, hehe :-D and its still relatively quick :-)

 17:12 <Elleo> but that shouldn't be too much work

 17:12 <karni> Elleo: oh I see

 17:13 <karni> I'll try work towards documenting how to set up the gst-spotify plugin

 17:13 <ahayzen> but, long term when we use the webapi. Is that XML/JSON ? as then we should be able to use the XMLListModel right ?

 17:13 <karni> you can have a quick look here (no notes on installing it though) https://git.launchpad.net/gstspotify/tree/README

 17:13 <Elleo> ahayzen: yeah, from a quick glance it seems to provide json at the very least

 17:13 <Elleo> ahayzen: didn't see if there was also xml output

 17:14 <karni> yeah, what Elleo said. JSON, haven't seen XML myself.

 17:14 <karni> it's a pity there's no JSONListModel haha

 17:14 <ahayzen> cool, that should be possible todo then

 17:15 <karni> Elleo: do you think you could expose 3 env vars via QML in libqtspotify? ideally we'd store the credentials nowhere else other than demo devices I'd say.

 17:15 <karni> otherwise we have to protect the click like hell, so that nobody else "oh shiny!" gives it at try, while others are demoing at the same time..

 17:15 <Elleo> karni: yeah, should be possible

 17:16 <karni> or what popey said (qt.labs.settings?) in ~/.config/com.ubuntu.music

 17:16 <popey> We can share the click privately, that's fine.

 17:16 <Elleo> karni: I'll just make a quick hacked up version that sticks those env vars in if you try calling the login stuff without credentials

 17:16 <popey> I'd prefer a file on disk

 17:16 <popey> that way we don't have to worry too much

 17:16 <ahayzen> yeah then we can access via Settings {}

 17:16 <Elleo> yeah, actually popey's way is nicer

 17:16 <popey> and if someone does want to try it, they can just put the file in the right place and play using their own api key

 17:16 <karni> perhaps file on a disk, that we don't have to ship with the click then?

 17:16 <Elleo> then I don't need to change libqtspotify at all

 17:17 <karni> popey: oh yeah, that should work

 17:17 <karni> ahayzen: +1

 17:17 <Elleo> we can just read the settings and pass it via the normal login stuff

 17:17 <karni> yes, agreed

 17:17 <ahayzen> \o/

 17:17 <popey> \o/

 17:17 <karni> hrm. theres one thing though. currently the gst-plugin gets the credentials from env vars (I just literally laughed out loud)

 17:17 <karni> I guess I'll have to figure this part out

 17:18 <Elleo> karni: the docs show it as having parameters for user and pass at least

 17:18 <Elleo> karni: maybe just add another for the api key?

 17:18 <karni> Elleo: they're not part of the track URI though, if that's what you mean

 17:18 <Elleo> karni: or better still might be allowing it to just take an auth token, then the user and pass don't have to be passed around so much in a way that's potentially easily introspectable

 17:18 <ahayzen> karni, could we give something to qtubuntu-media somehow ?

 17:19 <ahayzen> karni, or is it lower than music ?

 17:19 <karni> Elleo: actually, they do. I think it's a technical limitation, that you need to pass those for each stream. TBH I'm not sure if we can use different authentication

 17:19 <Elleo> karni: ah yeah, sorry I was just thinking from a gstreamer perspective not a media-hub via

 17:19 <Elleo> view*

 17:19 <karni> but I mostly did porting to GST 1.0, I don't know as much about their auth

 17:20 <karni> this runs with media-hub privileges.. would it have read access to ~/.config/com.ubuntu.music then?

 17:20 <karni> if so, this would cut it for the demo

 17:21 <Elleo> presumably media-hub must have read access everywhere

 17:21 <ahayzen> karni, hmm is it only the qtubuntu-media side that runs with the same permission as the app ?

 17:21 <Elleo> to be able to play music in any app location

 17:21 <ahayzen> Elleo, you can't play from any location IIRC

 17:21 <ahayzen> there was something Jim was working on today related to that

 17:22 <karni> let's shelve this detail, I'll ask around to see how we can get those creds to the gst plugin

 17:22 <popey> ok

 17:22 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1533779

 17:23 <karni> Elleo: if you could rework for the libqtspotify not to link statically, that would be great, so we could ship it with the music app

 17:23 <Elleo> ahayzen: that's a bit different iirc, that's due to media-hub not being able to cope with the non-click style name for messaging-app

 17:23 <karni> I have no further questions/comments on the subject right now

 17:23 <ahayzen> Elleo, yeah just reading it now, it looks like that...i just have a vague memory of something

 17:23 <Elleo> karni: sure thing

 17:23 <popey> We'll need to tweak the build of Music app if we're going to put binaries (libs) in it as it's qml now.

 17:24 <popey> Or am I misunderstanding the libqtspotify install location?

 17:24 <Elleo> popey: for a demo click we can potentially just bundle a precompiled .so and a qmldir file

 17:24 <karni> popey: we just put it in a subdirectory, so it should be simple

 17:24 <popey> ok

 17:24 <ahayzen> \o/

 17:24 <popey> I wont worry about that then

 17:24 <karni> yes, please don't :)

 17:24 <ahayzen> popey, are Elleo and karni part of the ~music-app-dev team ?

 17:25 <popey> no but they can be :)

 17:25 <ahayzen> popey, as then we can have a team branch going

 17:25 <karni> most probably not

 17:25 <Elleo> yeah, pretty sure I'm not at the moment

 17:25 <Elleo> but happy to be added :)

 17:25 <ahayzen> :-)

 17:25 <karni> :)

 17:25 <popey> you both are now

 17:25 <karni> thanks

 17:25 <Elleo> great, thanks

 17:25 <ahayzen> \o/

 17:25 <popey> Ok, anything else needing discussion?

 17:25 <popey> 5 mins left

 17:26 <karni> may I just suggest we don't name it too specifically. say, mwc-demo or streaming or such

 17:26 <karni> I'm good

 17:26 <Elleo> super-secret-branch-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-spotify-honest

 17:26 <ahayzen> :')

 17:26 <karni> Elleo: lol

 17:26 <popey> :)

 17:27 <karni> streamify lol

 17:27 <popey> music-streaming seems sane to me

 17:27 <karni> +1

 17:27 <Elleo> sure

 17:27 <ahayzen> yup

 17:27 <karni> coolio!

 17:27 <popey> Ok, we done then?

 17:27 <popey> Everyone happy?

 17:27 <karni> :)

 17:28 <ahayzen> yup \o/ so i guess we need to wait until we get the .so bundled in before we can start properly working on it from the music-app side

 17:28 <popey> obv we need to poke design but I expect this will be a basic list view for the demo

 17:29 <karni> yeah. TBH I expect a "fancy" header (not app header, just something above the list) and a list. should be no more than that.

 17:29 <popey> JMulholland, ^

 17:29 <ahayzen> yeah :-)

 17:29 <Elleo> iirc there's a bit of text we have to display in the app as well

 17:30 <karni> ahayzen: yeah, for now (if you really want to haha) you can get as "far" as adding that new dedicated page, a list view with delegate same as regular songs in the music app, and no model :')

 17:30 <Elleo> about registered trademarks and being powered by spotify streaming core or similar

 17:30 <popey> For license compliance?

 17:30 <Elleo> yeah

 17:30 <popey> only if we distribute it, surely?

 17:30 <Elleo> good point

 17:30 <karni> we should check..

 17:30 <popey> could put it in the splash screen

 17:30 <karni> (I admit I facepalmed though)

 17:30 <ahayzen> guess we all need to acquire spotify accounts...

 17:30 <Elleo> got to make sure we don't forget it when fully releasing stuff though

 17:31 <karni> ahayzen: they're free for 3 or 6 months if you sign up (check it though!). you have to provide a credit card though.. (that I plan to remove myself later)

 17:31 <popey> i have one, if you don't and you're signing up expressly for this then I think we should pay

 17:31 <popey> at least for the first year :)

 17:31 <karni> with the first half free :)

 17:31 <popey> we could put that through the community donations fund I think. I will speak to dpm about it after the meeting.

 17:31 <karni> Elleo: yeah. it'll be a while before we release this though, no worry.

 17:31 <karni> popey: sounds nice

 17:32 <popey> Ok, we done?

 17:32 <ahayzen> \o/

 17:32 <ahayzen> think we are

 17:32 <karni> yeah

 17:32 <karni> thanks guys

 17:32 <popey> Ok, we all hang out in #ubuntu-app-devel or #ubuntu-media or telegram or whatever

 17:32 <popey> so we're all easy to find.

 17:32 <ahayzen> thanks karni Elleo :-)

 17:32 <popey> Thanks all

 17:32 <ahayzen> #ubuntu-media is good

 17:32 <popey> Have a great weekend.

 17:32 <ahayzen> as not many folks there

 17:32 <popey> yeah

 17:32 <karni> yeah, ahayzen +1

 17:32 <popey> true

 17:33 <karni> you too, popey :)

 17:33 <popey> secret :D

 17:33 <karni> lol

 17:33 <karni> the more we use that word, the less it is xD

 17:33 <popey> heh

 17:33 <Elleo> heh

 17:33 <karni> hahaha

 17:33 <popey> #endmeeting



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