== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Calculator meeting, 26 Nov at 15:53 — 16:34 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-11-26-15.53.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1442804 
''LINK:'' https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NjAHEq9cvETW9ZemZSSlp0NWs/view 
''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1468663 
''LINK:'' http://doc.qt.io/qtcreator/creator-qml-performance-monitor.html 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * gang66 (48)
 * popey (47)
 * JMulholland (29)
 * meetingology (3)
 * JMulholland_ (1)



== Full Log ==


 15:53 <popey> #startmeeting Calculator meeting

 15:53 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 26 15:53:11 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 15:53 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 15:53 <popey> :D

 15:53 <gang66> :-D

 15:53 <JMulholland> hi!

 15:53 <JMulholland> :P

 15:53 <gang66> hi !

 15:54 <gang66> How are you ?

 15:54 <gang66> :-)

 15:54 <gang66> First thing to do not forget

 15:54 <gang66> James: Could you please take a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1446808

 15:55 <JMulholland> ack, i thought I’d replied to that last friday

 15:55 <JMulholland> so sorry Gang66, will recreate my comment

 15:55 <gang66> no problem

 15:55 <gang66> please do so

 15:56 <JMulholland> will do (short version is your proposal seems to line up with the designs, so lets try it!)

 15:57 <gang66> James: Please add comment that you agree with that

 15:58 <gang66> Next nice think, which I would like to introduce is "Welcome Wizard" or "Tips of the day:

 15:58 <gang66> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1442804

 15:58 <gang66> Kevin already provided two graphics

 15:58 <gang66> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8NjAHEq9cvETW9ZemZSSlp0NWs/view

 15:58 <gang66> Please let me know what do you think about that ...

 15:59 <JMulholland> gang66 already replied on 1446808

 15:59 <JMulholland> :-)

 16:00 <popey> ooh, i like those graphics

 16:00 <popey> they'll be good on the tips wizard thing

 16:01 <JMulholland> they look pretty good to me too :)

 16:01 <gang66> I have some doubts, that maybe it is too much phone specific

 16:01 <JMulholland> ah, good point gang66!

 16:01 <JMulholland> The visual designers might have some comments on the style/ colours too

 16:01 <gang66> I would like to have more generic (to be also applicable for tablet and other phone layouts

 16:03 <popey> Well, we could only display them if the GU is smaller than a certain number?

 16:04 <popey> If you're on a large tablet / desktop we could just not show them

 16:04 <JMulholland> hm, there’s some work being done for coach marks as SDK components… I wonder if any of that could help us out here

 16:04 <popey> but if the GU is small, assume it's a phone, so the user might want to know

 16:04 <popey> coach marks?

 16:04 <JMulholland> little tags that tell people how edge gestures work on furst use, etc

 16:04 <JMulholland> *first

 16:04 <popey> ah okay.

 16:04 <popey> like the welcome wizard has already?

 16:05 <popey> those coloured semi-circular things?

 16:05 <JMulholland> might be a way to provide tips for the large tablet / desktop scenario...

 16:06 <JMulholland> last i saw

 16:06 <popey> When will that land?

 16:06 <JMulholland> they we’re little bands across the bottom of the display/ window

 16:06 <JMulholland> with some instruction and a next/ dismiss button

 16:06 <JMulholland> (and the app itself fadded out behind them)

 16:07 <JMulholland> Their among the things being reviewed during next weeks sprint, so as an early part of 1.3, as far as I know

 16:07 <popey> okay, cool.

 16:07 <popey> 1.3? 1.4 you mean?

 16:07 <JMulholland> oops

 16:08 <JMulholland> I think we can all agree we *do not* want dialogue style tips, right?

 16:09 <popey> What, spammy things on top of your work, yeah.

 16:09 <popey> We need a paperclip

 16:09 <gang66> yes

 16:11 <popey> Ok, anything else?

 16:12 <gang66> hmm

 16:12 <gang66> I already started:

 16:12 <gang66> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1468663

 16:12 <gang66> And it is running in Landscape mode on Desktop

 16:12 <gang66> Unfortunately there is a thing with Autopilot

 16:13 <gang66> During Autopilot tests it is also running in landscape mode

 16:13 <JMulholland> was grabbing an example for you guys: http://imgur.com/a/rG1An

 16:13 <JMulholland> Not my sketches, another designer put them together. But they give you some idea of the coah marks component

 16:13 <JMulholland> *coach

 16:14 <popey> Yeah, the only problem I have with those is they're like a Game tutorial

 16:14 <popey> There's no way to skip them

 16:14 <popey> you _have_ to do as they instruct

 16:14 <popey> when you've seen them 20 times it gets old very fast

 16:14 <JMulholland> certainly the second one, but the first (band along the bottom) has a ‘skip’ button top-right

 16:14 <popey> and there's nothing on the screen that lets you make them go away quickly other than to do as the phone commands you to do, like a good little boy! :D

 16:15 <JMulholland> I totally see your point though

 16:15 <popey> yeah

 16:15 <popey> I dont actually like the first one at all

 16:15 <popey> :)

 16:15 <popey> Redeemed by having a skip button though ;)

 16:16 <JMulholland> heheh

 16:16 <popey> gang66, is autopilot failing ?

 16:16 <gang66> Nope, it is passing

 16:17 <gang66> But in Ladnscape view

 16:17 <JMulholland> food for thought. Maybe we need to suggest a more ‘full screen with a tip of the day and/or image’ version...

 16:17 <gang66> James: It will be very useful

 16:18 <popey> ah

 16:18 <popey> JMulholland, i like the ones podbird has on first launch

 16:18 <popey> same for music app

 16:19 <JMulholland> will flash my device and remind myself of how they look/ behave!

 16:21 <popey> heh

 16:23 <gang66> I would like to make it similar to Podbird

 16:24 <popey> yeah, that would look good.

 16:24 <gang66> One more question

 16:24 <popey> They have that right, one picture, a little text, easy to understand how to scroll and skip

 16:24 <popey> ok

 16:25 <gang66> I would like to decrease Calculator load time

 16:25 <gang66> For other project I was using QtCreator (eg. Clock)

 16:25 <gang66> Unfortunately for Calculator it cannot connect

 16:26 <gang66> Do you know who could help in that matter

 16:26 <gang66> I tried many possible solution, and none of them is working for me

 16:26 <popey> I don't understand.

 16:26 <popey> cannot connect to what?

 16:27 <gang66> It is Profiling, and it unable to connect to device

 16:27 <gang66> It seems that Calculator is crashing during startup

 16:29 <gang66> Steps to run profiler on Clock:

 16:29 <gang66> 1. Run QtCreator

 16:29 <gang66> 2. Load Clock app

 16:29 <gang66> 3. Switch to Debug tab

 16:30 <popey> ahh for profiling, I understand.

 16:30 <popey> Not tried that, will try

 16:30 <popey> I don't know if that's a qtc bug or an issue with the codebase of the app?

 16:30 <gang66> It is "Analyze" tab

 16:31 <gang66> http://doc.qt.io/qtcreator/creator-qml-performance-monitor.html

 16:31 <gang66> Try with Clock app first

 16:31 <popey> Yeah, I haven't used that for a while.

 16:31 <gang66> On real device

 16:32 <popey> Will have a play with that tomorrow and see what happens here.

 16:32 <gang66> For Calculator it is crashing

 16:32 <popey> It would be good to see what's eating up the startup time

 16:32 <popey> ok. will take a look.

 16:33 <gang66> Do you know where I could find logs from crash on phone (BQ E4.5) ?

 16:33 <popey> made a note to play with that tomorrow, thanks.

 16:33 <popey> .cache/upstart usually

 16:33 <gang66> ok

 16:33 <gang66> thanks

 16:33 <gang66> That's all from my side

 16:33 <JMulholland_> thanks!

 16:34 <popey> Thanks guys!

 16:34 <popey> #endmeeting



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