16:49 <popey> #startmeeting Weather app meeting
16:49 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Oct 23 16:49:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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16:49 * ahayzen moves the curtains ... gloomy
16:49 <popey> Hello hello!
16:49 <ahayzen> hey, how's your week been?
16:49 <popey> Get new ones. Nobody wants gloomy curtains
16:49 <vthompson> Hey guys!
16:49 <ahayzen> haha student life
16:50 <popey> :)
16:50 <popey> Super stuff.
16:50 <popey> Thanks again for the last minute fixes to get the weather in the store.
16:50 <vthompson> Busy, but it's the weekend so that's all behind me now
16:50 <popey> Seeing positive reviews turn up already!
16:50 <ahayzen> everyone get my mass email thing earlier ?
16:50 <ahayzen> :-)
16:50 <vthompson> What email was that?
16:50 <popey> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.weather
16:50 <vthompson> Ohhh, bug fix releasing?
16:50 <ahayzen> like 20+ fix committed -> fix released
16:50 <popey> Surprisingly few bug mails
16:50 <ahayzen> hehe
16:51 <ahayzen> we need to go through the old apps ones now, and invalid/fix-released them
16:51 <vthompson> yea, I saw the 50+ emails in my inbox this morning and was wondering who to blame
16:51 <ahayzen> "This app is 100% better with the new version, it looks great and I can actually use it now. Well done to all involved"
16:51 <ahayzen> :-D
16:51 <popey> Yeah, that's a nice way to end the week!
16:51 <vthompson> \o/
16:51 <popey> Well done.
16:51 <popey> So, agenda.
16:51 <popey> * UC1.3
16:52 <popey> * UOS (done?)
16:52 <popey> * AOB
16:52 <ahayzen> * convergence
16:52 <popey> Go!
16:52 <ahayzen> * 2.1
16:52 <popey> oh yes.
16:52 <ahayzen> ok .. again we have a listitems thing
16:52 <ahayzen> i'm gonna create a UC1.3 bump over the weekend that that can be rebased onto
16:52 <vthompson> Yea, we'll have to pick that up and try to verify what still needs to be done
16:52 <ahayzen> yeah it'll need tweaks to the listitems as i changed the way the animations etc were done
16:53 <ahayzen> is that a team branch?
16:53 <vthompson> I think we can make the UC1.3 bump for the next OTA here as well, it'll just be harder than for music
16:53 <vthompson> I thought it was
16:53 <ahayzen> eh i think once we have fixed the issues with music, we can pretty much copy across
16:53 <popey> yeah.
16:53 <vthompson> right
16:53 <ahayzen> so that should be pretty simple
16:54 <ahayzen> listitems affect/are used more in music so i wanna focus testing and coding on that first
16:54 <ahayzen> then just copy what we have learnt into the weather branch
16:54 <vthompson> agreed, we're almost there for music, so shouldn't be too long
16:54 <ahayzen> yup
16:54 <ahayzen> ok next!
16:54 <ahayzen> UOS
16:54 <ahayzen> oo we have a session :-)
16:54 <popey> :)
16:55 <ahayzen> so for both music+weather we can pre-fill the pad as usual
16:55 <vthompson> We can start putting together an agenda for the session(s) in the pad
16:55 <vthompson> yep :)
16:55 <popey> +1
16:55 <ahayzen> :-)
16:55 <popey> link to the docs we have in there too
16:55 <ahayzen> coolio
16:55 <popey> any design docs, the poll results, everything (music etc)
16:55 <ahayzen> :-)
16:56 <popey> I think a big topic for uos will be the alerts for weather
16:56 <popey> be good to put some thought into that before hand
16:56 <ahayzen> yeah, did you remember the plan you came up with for that?
16:56 <popey> Nope!
16:56 <ahayzen> :'(
16:56 <popey> Hence why I need to put some thought into it :D
16:56 <ahayzen> vthompson, didn't we have something else we delayed for 2.1?
16:56 <vthompson> weather map?
16:56 <ahayzen> ah yes!
16:56 <popey> Ah!
16:56 <popey> Good call.
16:57 <ahayzen> rainfall radar, IR satellite  etc
16:57 <vthompson> did we ask for design for that?
16:57 <ahayzen> nope
16:57 <popey> Don't think so
16:57 <ahayzen> that'd be sooooo cool
16:57 <vthompson> It'd be nice to get design to come up with a way of displaying the info
16:57 <ahayzen> yeah
16:57 * ahayzen tries to remember if we can get the last 5hrs of rainfall ... so then we could animate
16:58 <popey> Maybe we could look at other apps we like on other platforms for inspiration, in lieu of design input?
16:58 <ahayzen> yeah
16:58 <popey> Having never needed a map, I kinda dunno what the key things are you need
16:58 <popey> I have an ios and android devices though so can have a look around
16:59 <ahayzen> my dad uses a rainfall radar all the time
16:59 <vthompson> I bet we'd just put another icon in the upper right and then the UI for the actual map would be just a standard full screen
16:59 <popey> yeah, like a round radar icon
16:59 <vthompson> yea
16:59 <popey> big scrolly map
16:59 <popey> Design: DONE
16:59 <popey> Next!
16:59 <ahayzen> like all you need is a few frames of the rainfall and you can tell which way it is going and if your gonna get wet
16:59 <vthompson> with maybe one icon on the map to "close" it
16:59 <popey> pffft
17:00 <ahayzen> what else for 2.1? ...
17:00 <vthompson> hm
17:00 <popey> I think that's gonna be enough?
17:00 <ahayzen> more providers ;-) ?
17:00 <ahayzen> hopefully now OWM has an API key it won't go down as much
17:00 <vthompson> I know design was really keen on "natural language" forecasts when they originally did the design
17:00 <popey> yeah, if we know of any regional ones, that would be good to get others to contribute
17:01 <popey> I'm keen on other people contributing the backends
17:01 * ahayzen notes he should create a README to tell developers they will need to get their own OWM key or ask us for one
17:01 <popey> especially if they are from a specific region (e.g. India / Russia)
17:01 <ahayzen> yeah
17:01 <popey> didn't we put it in keys.js?
17:01 <ahayzen> localised weather providers :-)
17:01 <popey> as a comment
17:01 <ahayzen> we did
17:01 <ahayzen> but its not obvious if you just branch and run the code
17:01 <popey> ok, should add docs and I can add to the core apps website
17:02 <popey> lemme know when you add it, and I'll point to it from there
17:02 <ahayzen> coolio
17:02 <ahayzen> so alerts, maps, providers and natural language
17:02 <vthompson> For the weather alerts, who else do we need to include in the discussion
17:02 <popey> Depends how we architect it
17:02 <vthompson> The first two being the more important
17:02 <ahayzen> security/privacy people and design ?
17:02 <ahayzen> yup
17:03 <popey> but yes, we should come up with a high level plan and run it past design / security
17:03 <ahayzen> oooo convergence!
17:03 <ahayzen> that was it!
17:03 <ahayzen> lol
17:03 <vthompson> Didn't we sort of have a plan for the alerts when the design spec came out?
17:04 <ahayzen> not really, we came up with using account-polld but that was it
17:04 <vthompson> I wonder what a converged weather app would look like
17:05 <ahayzen> no scrolling
17:05 <popey> MASSIVE clouds
17:05 <ahayzen> daily info to the right ?
17:05 <ahayzen> or would you show multiple days
17:05 <popey> Well...
17:05 <vthompson> and you probably wouldn't need to toggle the hourly info
17:05 <ahayzen> popey, do we know what clock is doing? i sense we may want to consider if they show multiple locations or just further info
17:05 <popey> No.
17:05 <ahayzen> that could be underneath the *massive* cloud
17:06 <vthompson> yea probably
17:06 <ahayzen> i vote we just try a few things and then present to design
17:06 <ahayzen> as we've done with music
17:06 <ahayzen> as that seems to work well ;-)
17:06 <popey> +1
17:06 <popey> see which ones get people making youtube videos
17:06 <popey> :)
17:06 <ahayzen> popey, did you figure out where that mockup of music came from ;-)
17:06 <popey> hah, no. I didn't ask tbh
17:07 <vthompson> oh from that blog post?
17:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, did you see this? http://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/20/ubuntus-path-to-convergence/
17:07 <ahayzen> yah
17:07 <vthompson> yea, I was wondering who made it as well
17:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, also note in the mockup, all the cards are the same size
17:07 * ahayzen was wondering if we could jump to GridView ;-)
17:07 <popey> I expect it was jouni
17:07 <ahayzen> now that thumbnailer is super duper fast
17:08 <ahayzen> anyway this is music not weather...
17:08 <popey> :)
17:08 <vthompson> lol
17:08 <popey> We should have one meeting for both, for maximum confusion.
17:08 <popey> Ok, anything else for weather?
17:08 <ahayzen> erm...
17:09 <ahayzen> where is that bug you reported...
17:09 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1509298
17:09 <ahayzen> we should probably check out that
17:09 <vthompson> For convergence, do we want to do prototype branches and share on social media sometime in the future
17:09 <vthompson> ?
17:09 <ahayzen> +1
17:10 <ahayzen> we could create a poll :') lol
17:10 <ahayzen> i think a video/photo and then read the comments would be best tbh
17:10 <popey> :D
17:10 <popey> ya
17:11 <popey> Well, the poll thing worked out really well.
17:11 <popey> Lots of positive comments, enough votes to be worthwhile.
17:11 <ahayzen> it did, but that was for features
17:11 <popey> True.
17:11 <ahayzen> so it didn't matter if your vote came second/last where as this is do we want A or B
17:12 <ahayzen> people that vote the lower option would feel left out/bad
17:12 <ahayzen> so i think comments would be better
17:12 <popey> Okay. Makes sense.
17:12 <popey> Right, we done?
17:12 <ahayzen> think so
17:12 <vthompson> So for that bug, I think the way we get the user's location is different
17:12 <vthompson> so it's expected that it wouldn't match, per se
17:13 <ahayzen> vthompson, maybe but it is consistently ~1°C out
17:13 <ahayzen> so i was wondering if there is a rounding error somewhere
17:13 <vthompson> The website and the app say I'm in different towns even
17:13 <vthompson> It'd be odd if it's always 1 deg
17:13 <ahayzen> and this is what was said on the coreapps mailing list
17:13 <vthompson> It's 5 degrees for me
17:13 <ahayzen> "First of all, great new design of the app and the it is more smooth than ever.
17:13 <ahayzen> I realize that the values of weather on the app is not the same on the Weather Channel website. Same location with different results."
17:14 <ahayzen> well i searched for say London, or Oxford and they were slightly out between web and app
17:14 <ahayzen> but we don't know how *far* out this persons results were
17:14 <vthompson> We should investigate further, but I assume it's a location detection issue--which should be a non-issue
17:15 <ahayzen> yeah, it was just something i wanted to investigate and not be lost really :-)
17:15 <vthompson> cool, yea
17:15 <vthompson> Is that everything?
17:15 <vthompson> Nothing more from me
17:16 <ahayzen> don't think so, ooo should we change trunk to be /reboot now?
17:16 <ahayzen> or will CI somewhere explode ?
17:16 <popey> yes
17:16 <popey> oh, don't think so
17:16 <ahayzen> oh yeah
17:16 <popey> but lets do that on monday when people can fix it if it does :D
17:16 <ahayzen> meanwhile ... we have https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/ and ...
17:16 <vthompson> ah, do you want to do that ahayzen ?
17:16 <ahayzen> https://ubuntu-community-testing.staging.ubuntu.com/reports/overview
17:16 <ahayzen> now
17:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, lets do it on monday as popey said
17:17 <ahayzen> note most of the manual test results for the music sd card that fail state "i don't have a SD card"
17:17 <vthompson> cool, sounds good
17:17 <vthompson> have a good weekend guys!
17:17 <ahayzen> you too :-)
17:18 <popey> Thanks again chaps!
17:18 <ahayzen> \o/
17:18 <popey> Have a good weekend, see you next week!
17:18 <popey> #endmeeting