== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Music app meeting, 09 Oct at 16:01 — 16:43 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-10-09-16.01.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1397582 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * ahayzen (73)
 * vthompson (48)
 * popey (46)
 * davmor2 (4)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 16:01 <popey> #startmeeting Music app meeting

 16:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Oct  9 16:01:11 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 16:01 <popey> Hey chaps, how you doing?

 16:01 <ahayzen> good thanks, until about 15mins ago when jenkins collapsed due to utopic not existing here anymore http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ :-) ... you ?

 16:01 <vthompson> I'm good, thanks. How are you guys?

 16:01 <popey> oh jeez

 16:01 <ahayzen> (i've asked in -ci-eng)

 16:02 <popey> we shouldn't be building on utopic at all

 16:02 <ahayzen> yeah well...we are :-) lol

 16:02 <vthompson> I'd imagine we aren't alone

 16:02 <popey> balloons is on vacation so we can't poke him

 16:03 <popey> Finally goodbye utopic!

 16:03 <popey> Jeez, worst release ever ;)

 16:03 <ahayzen> really?

 16:03 <ahayzen> karmic was bad

 16:03 <vthompson> It might not have actually been that utopic

 16:03 <popey> For the logs.. no, all releases are beautiful snowflakes

 16:03 <ahayzen> the jump to pulse <3 "oh noes my audio is broken"

 16:04 <popey> Speaking of pulse.

 16:04 <popey> Music!

 16:04 <ahayzen> hehe

 16:04 <vthompson> Convergence!

 16:04 <ahayzen> UOS!

 16:04 <popey> Indeed.

 16:04 <vthompson> So as for UOS, Tuesday is the day that's best for me

 16:04 <ahayzen> same

 16:04 <ahayzen> i have no lectures on a tuesday :-)

 16:05 <vthompson> Perfect, if we could get our sessions on Tuesday that would be cool

 16:05 <vthompson> back to back or not doesn't really matter too  much I suppose

 16:05 <popey> Ok.

 16:06 <vthompson> I'd prefer a somewhat later in the day schedule as well

 16:06 <ahayzen> FYI fginther is going to try disabling the utopic job to see if that fixes our jenkins woes

 16:07 <popey> ok

 16:07 <vthompson> ahayzen, awesome. fginther to the rescue

 16:07 <ahayzen> vthompson, when OTA7 is out we might be able to land the new listitems :-O

 16:08 <vthompson> So, I know we've said this a lot, but perhaps we should do the community/G+ feature poll for music so we have it to discuss at UOS?

 16:08 <popey> heh

 16:08 <ahayzen> haha

 16:08 <ahayzen> we actually should this time

 16:08 <vthompson> popey, when is OTA7 expected to ship?

 16:08 <ahayzen> 'soon'

 16:08 <vthompson> It's always soon :P

 16:08 <ahayzen> everything is frozen at the moment

 16:09 <popey> 19th

 16:09 <popey> testing underway right now

 16:10 <vthompson> cool. So, here's my plan. ahayzen can we kinda work together to put together the feature poll and we can either hand it off to popey or he can just share it on G+ for a wider audience

 16:10 <popey> +1

 16:10 <ahayzen> yup if it is posted in appdevs community first then it can be reshared in the personal channels

 16:10 <vthompson> that'd work great

 16:11 <ahayzen> ok shall we create a list of a separate sheet on that spreadsheet?

 16:11 <vthompson> We can just use that sheet

 16:12 <ahayzen> awesome

 16:12 <popey> +1

 16:12 <ahayzen> oh yeah i've been working with Jim and....

 16:13 <ahayzen> ...Alfonso on the bg-playlists stuff

 16:13 <ahayzen> managed to get 3 of the 'top' 4 issues fixed https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzI4D6knVJ6VmXxqJ2gyGSMowbtVVoNPgQl1fywim_U/edit

 16:13 <vthompson> that's great news

 16:13 <ahayzen> and Jim is working on the performance one at the moment

 16:13 <davmor2> +1

 16:13 <ahayzen> slowly getting closer and closer :-)

 16:14 <vthompson> the batch adding of tracks to the queue, is that something they're looking into now?

 16:14 <ahayzen> vthompson, thats the 'performance' one :-)

 16:14 <ahayzen> so yeah Jim is looking into that

 16:16 <davmor2> ahayzen, vthompson: currently there is retesting of silo 55 going on with the plan to land it as soon as ota8 is open with the plan that all the apps that use mpris and bg playlist can be landed  and then fixed throughout ota8

 16:16 <ahayzen> davmor2, awesome :-)

 16:16 <davmor2> that plan might change but is the overall goal

 16:17 <vthompson> davmor2, cool. Sounds like a good target to try to hit, I'm not hugely optimistic we'll hit it, but we can try

 16:17 <popey> Thanks for the input davmor2 !

 16:17 <ahayzen> vthompson, i think our plan is to just switch to using bg-playlists first... then in a separate release remove stuff like the lifecycle exception

 16:18 <ahayzen> as we have other things that will break if we remove the lifecycle exception :-/

 16:18 <vthompson> ahayzen, that's what I recall the plan being as well

 16:18 <ahayzen> :-)

 16:19 <vthompson> Putting the mh3 stuff aside for a second, should we try to source input on the convergence branch in the video popey shared?

 16:20 <vthompson> I assume we'll get feedback as-is, but is there anything more we should try to do? Maybe track any issues in another google doc just as we are doing for mh3?

 16:20 <ahayzen> read the comments? ... but seriously yeah we should and maybe invite feedback in the session at UOS ?

 16:20 <popey> I'm not convinced internet comments are the best place to get feedback :)

 16:21 <popey> I noticed a few gotchas, I can certainly provide you higher quality feedback :D

 16:21 <popey> (I think)

 16:21 <ahayzen> hehe :-)

 16:21 <ahayzen> obviously there are the bugs i linked to you.. and the fact that the sidebar is missing header actions (waiting on a component from tim)

 16:22 <ahayzen> but i guess some views could probably do with a refresh in the 'wider' mode

 16:22 <vthompson> Cool, let's do so in a google doc or something.

 16:22 * ahayzen tries to find the bug

 16:22 <popey> ok, got one already?

 16:22 <popey> I'll add some notes to it

 16:22 <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1397582

 16:22 <ahayzen> that was an old one

 16:22 <ahayzen> but i guess could be reused, maybe?

 16:23 <ahayzen> or maybe a new one specifically for the convergence stuff would be better?

 16:23 <popey> I am happy to file a bunch of bugs

 16:23 <popey> that's the "right" way to do it?

 16:23 <ahayzen> yeah :-)

 16:23 <popey> I can tag them with something?

 16:23 <ahayzen> 'convergence' ?

 16:23 <popey> convergence-bitches

 16:23 <ahayzen> 'ahayzen-todo'

 16:23 <vthompson> Bugs are fine, I just thought it'd be easier to track them in a list in a doc

 16:23 <ahayzen> ;-) lol

 16:23 <popey> haha

 16:23 <vthompson> haha

 16:24 <vthompson> as I think a lot of what we'll come up with are opinions and things up for debate. I'd also like to maybe get some design input, or maybe the SDK team if they have opinions

 16:25 <vthompson> since they have had their heads down thinking about convergence for some time now

 16:25 <popey> I am in london next week, will pounce on James

 16:25 <ahayzen> it'd probably be good to get Tim to have a play about with it so he can see the bugs himself

 16:25 <ahayzen> "<ahayzen> IIRC these are the bugs blocking convergence landing pad.lv/1489591 pad.lv/1489850 pad.lv/1492343"

 16:26 <ahayzen> + the extra header component that we need

 16:26 <popey> nice timing james

 16:26 <vthompson> :)

 16:26 <ahayzen> haha

 16:28 <ahayzen> guess we'll have a second iteration of convergence stuff as well.. like right click menus, scrollbars etc

 16:28 <ahayzen> or will they come 'for free' from the SDK

 16:30 <vthompson> I'm not sure how that'll work. I'd imagine we'll talk about it again at UOS

 16:30 <ahayzen> IIRC the plan was for leading/trailing actions to be auto made into a right click menu

 16:31 <ahayzen> and somehow for the multiselect...but not sure how that part would work

 16:31 <popey> if you guys have a short list, I can pounce on james next week

 16:31 <vthompson> I sent out a google doc to track convergence issues

 16:31 <popey> excellent

 16:31 <vthompson> James was included

 16:31 <vthompson> But still feel free to ping him

 16:32 <vthompson> s/ping/pounce on

 16:32 <ahayzen> "streaming?"

 16:32 <ahayzen> :-)

 16:33 <vthompson> Ah nearly forgot about that

 16:33 <vthompson> Was the one main thing we were waiting on mostly just design related?

 16:34 <ahayzen> yup

 16:34 <ahayzen> design and an ack from mh that they can do it

 16:34 <popey> platform issues yeah

 16:35 <vthompson> I'd really thing that streaming discussion is blocked by mh needing to finalize bg playlists

 16:35 <vthompson> *think

 16:35 <popey> +1

 16:36 <ahayzen> yup

 16:36 <vthompson> Anything thing else to discuss?

 16:36 <ahayzen> someone just asked in #ubuntu-touch "can we have "now playing" as a bottom edge feature"

 16:36 <ahayzen> what happened with that didn't we stop due to bugs?

 16:36 <vthompson> :)_

 16:36 <popey> pass

 16:36 <ahayzen> but then that should be easier now the now playing is a separate component

 16:37 <ahayzen> IIRC we didn't land as it sortof 'jumped' as it pushed the page on

 16:37 <ahayzen> creating a weird animation

 16:37 <vthompson> I think so. Also, I envisioned it working without a tool tip and things didn't seem to work very well

 16:37 <ahayzen> yeah direct from the 'toolbar'

 16:37 <vthompson> ahayzen, true. We could try to look into it again, I suppose

 16:37 * popey has flashbacks to when we had a toolbar

 16:37 <ahayzen> we do have a toolbar...

 16:37 <popey> i mean the retro one

 16:37 <ahayzen> just its now a Rectangle {} :-)

 16:38 <popey> hah

 16:38 <ahayzen> hah the 'retro one' lol

 16:38 <popey> no, nothing else from me

 16:38 <vthompson> Cool, it'd be nice if we could do something worth justifying a new release of the music app

 16:39 <ahayzen> new listitems :-)

 16:39 <vthompson> in the near term, but I don't know what that'd be.

 16:39 <ahayzen> 2wks away :-)

 16:39 <vthompson> Yea, I suppose that's the best thing to try to get in

 16:39 <vthompson> listitems and UC1.3, etc

 16:40 <ahayzen> i'll remerge listitems so then we can get testing it

 16:40 <popey> "* Bug fixes and performance improvements"

 16:40 <ahayzen> as its quite big codewise

 16:40 <ahayzen> thing is we have like *massive* branches at the moment

 16:40 <ahayzen> with like bg-playlists, convergence and new listitems

 16:41 <vthompson> Merging will not be fun

 16:41 <ahayzen> it'll be fine

 16:41 * ahayzen hidees

 16:42 <vthompson> haha, well let's move on. :)

 16:42 <popey> we done?

 16:42 <davmor2> vthompson: if it all goes wrong just blamepopey™

 16:42 <popey> \o/

 16:42 <popey> davmor2: were you silent for the last 15 mins looking for the ™ key? :)

 16:42 <vthompson> davmor2, I would have it no other way :)

 16:42 <popey> \o/

 16:43 <vthompson> lol

 16:43 <popey> #endmeeting



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