12:04 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
12:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 12:04:12 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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12:04 <DanChapman> Hah
12:04 <popey> brb
12:04 <DanChapman> :-)
12:05 <popey> bah, not even interesting mail
12:05 <popey> right, how we doing?
12:05 <DanChapman> I'm doing good thanks. Making some good progress
12:05 <faenil> o/
12:05 <DanChapman> hey faenil
12:06 <DanChapman> Is James not available/around today?
12:07 <popey> he disconnected an hour ago
12:07 <popey> faenil: is he in the office?
12:07 <popey> DanChapman: I saw your post about the colour avatars, are those colours we provided?
12:07 <faenil> popey: let me check
12:08 <DanChapman> popey: yeah the colors from the bottom of this design https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qeWJFdldmQi1SMVU/view?usp=sharing
12:08 <faenil> popey: he should join from home
12:08 <popey> ah
12:09 <faenil> he was not feeling well this morning
12:09 * DanChapman is full of cold. Eldest one decided to bring it home from school
12:09 <faenil> hehe
12:10 <popey> Heh, new term, new germs!
12:11 <faenil> lol
12:11 * faenil writes that down
12:11 <DanChapman> In your opinion should the avatars in the message list view display the avatar of the oldest "unread" message or the "newest"
12:11 <DanChapman> ?
12:11 <DanChapman> hah
12:12 <popey> ooh, good question
12:12 <faenil> I'd say newest
12:12 <popey> If the thread is entirely unread, I'd use the first mail avatar, as that person started the thread
12:12 <faenil> but popey's point is valid as well
12:13 <popey> if it's a partially read thread, then I'd use the oldest new mail
12:13 <faenil> oldest unread? mmm
12:13 <popey> yes
12:13 <popey> as that's the start of the conversation
12:13 <popey> But that's just gut feeling
12:13 <popey> It also prevents it from changing all the time as new threads come in
12:13 <DanChapman> Right yeah that's what i was thinking. THe current logic in the thread view is to position the view at the oldest unread messageso you can then follow the thread down. So it would follow that current logic
12:14 * DanChapman makes note to ping this at james in an email
12:16 <JMulholland> Hi all. Apologies for running a little late today
12:16 <DanChapman> Hey JMulholland o/
12:17 <popey> np
12:18 <faenil> popey: doesn't sound wrong to me :)
12:18 <DanChapman> JMulholland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12631412/ we were just discussing what avatar should be displayed in the message list, whether it shoul;d be the oldest or newest unread message
12:18 <JMulholland> My instinct is most recent
12:18 <JMulholland> but that’s verymuch off the cuff
12:19 <popey> ditto
12:22 <DanChapman> Ok then
12:23 <DanChapman> I also wanted to talk about possibly collapsing lots of read messages into single item. So you don't have to loads of scrolling in a long thread. I think gmail app does this already
12:24 <JMulholland> it does, by having a special collapsed element
12:24 <popey> yeah, it does.
12:24 <popey> Totally worth doing.
12:25 <JMulholland> I think that would be a great touch, maybe we can get a visual design from Jouni as it doesnt map to anything we’ve done previously
12:25 <JMulholland> (and we dont want it to look too gmaily ;))
12:25 <DanChapman> THis would also help not having to have an insanely large off screen buffer to avoid lots of resize events as each message is created
12:26 <JMulholland> could be as simple as having a ‘special’ vesrion of the collapsed messages that we already have design (so instead of having sender and a sample of the message contents it would just read ’12 previous messages’ or similar)
12:26 <JMulholland> *have designed
12:27 <DanChapman> I was thinking similar
12:27 <JMulholland> tapping/clicking that would reveal the stack of collapsed messages with sender, etc
12:27 <JMulholland> and a further tap/click would expand the individual messages
12:27 <JMulholland> I think that would be a great touch, for the reason you mentioned
12:27 <popey> pinch to zoom/expand would be nice, but I'd imagine hard to implement well.
12:28 <JMulholland> yea!
12:29 <DanChapman> that would be cool!
12:32 <DanChapman> Are we going to have a way to show extra message header info like cc's
12:32 <popey> We should, just via a tap to expand?
12:32 <DanChapman> hmmm but the tap will collapse the message?
12:35 <JMulholland> I think keeping headers brief is no bad thing
12:35 <JMulholland> tap to exapnd the header if you want/ need that sort of info (or more info in general)?
12:36 <JMulholland> *I think keeping collapsed messages brief is no bad thing
12:38 * DanChapman is a bit confused...
12:39 <DanChapman> So is that display the cc's when expanded or an additional tap should expand jsut the header section further to display it.
12:42 <popey> i meant tap to expand the header, yes.
12:42 <popey> like cc/bcc etc
12:42 <JMulholland> so Im suggesting:
12:42 <JMulholland> we already have : avatar, sender name, first line of message, time-stamp, replied/forwarded icon & flag (star) icon for collapsed messages
12:42 <JMulholland> that already seems like a fair amount to scan, as such maybe the user would need to expand the message for cc/bcc info
12:43 <JMulholland> (essentially what popey suggested :P)
12:44 <DanChapman> gotcha :-)
12:45 <DanChapman> JMulholland: Is this new colour palette planned to stay? I'm struggling to like a few of those colours :-D https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qTkM2Rm1vc0J1MmM/view?usp=sharing
12:45 <JMulholland> Im afraid so, last I heard
12:45 <JMulholland> I can check in with one of the visual designers
12:46 <JMulholland> there’s a lot of ‘brownishness’ isnt there? :P
12:46 <popey> heh
12:46 <DanChapman> hah :-)
12:48 <DanChapman> I don't think I have anything else right now
12:48 <popey> okay.
12:49 <popey> balloons has crafted the manual testing app which contains some dekko manual tests
12:49 <popey> I believe that will be hitting the store soon.
12:49 <popey> So we'll have some community people manually testing dekko on devices, which is excellent.
12:49 <DanChapman> \o/
12:49 <popey> We can add more tests and balloons can update the app later ( I presume )
12:49 <DanChapman> That will be awesome.
12:50 <balloons> yes and yes
12:50 <popey> \o/
12:50 <popey> balloons: it pulls tests at build time, right?
12:50 <popey> Not at run time
12:50 <DanChapman> I was talking to him before the meeting about translating them so I'll see what's required about updating them
12:50 <balloons> yes, for now, it's at build time
12:50 <DanChapman> oh he's here. o/
12:51 <balloons> I had to make some syntax tweaks I'll share back with you at some point
12:51 <popey> kk
12:51 <balloons> to the tests that is, but yea, they worked great
12:53 <popey> Ok, are we done then?
12:53 <DanChapman> I think so...
12:53 <faenil> :)
12:54 <JMulholland> Let us know if you need anything else!
12:54 <faenil> I reworked Dekko's delegate to
12:54 <faenil> use ListItemLayout, which is the new component I've been working on
12:54 <DanChapman> Which rocks!
12:54 <faenil> shared it with DanChapman, who seems to be happy about it :)
12:55 <faenil> and had JMulholland and jounih review the result in Dekko
12:55 <popey> ooh!
12:55 <popey> Awesome faenil thank you!
12:55 <JMulholland> it’s looking great :D
12:55 <popey> \o/
12:55 <faenil> no worries :) Dekko's delegate is quite a complex example, glad to see we can cover that as well (even if with a minor hack)
12:55 <DanChapman> faenil is it still looking like ota-8 it will be available?
12:55 <faenil> DanChapman: I'm still hoping for OTA7
12:56 <faenil> can't promise anything, the MR has been merged just a few mins ago
12:56 <faenil> https://code.launchpad.net/~faenil/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listItem_slotsLayout/+merge/270581
12:56 <DanChapman> \o/ oh  excellent :-)
12:58 <faenil> cross your fingers :)
12:58 <faenil> I'm crossing mine :D
12:59 * DanChapman struggles to type with crossed fingers, so opts for toes instead
12:59 <JMulholland> :D
13:00 <popey> haha
13:00 <popey> Ok, shall we wrap?
13:00 <DanChapman> Go for it :-)
13:00 <JMulholland> nothing else here :)
13:01 <popey> \o/
13:01 <popey> Thanks guys.
13:01 <popey> #endmeeting