12:02 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
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12:02 <popey> How we doing?
12:03 <JMulholland> full house!
12:03 <DanChapman> Doing great thanks. You?
12:03 <popey> tickety boo
12:03 <JMulholland> all good here, accosted Dan for his community interview this morning ;)
12:03 <popey> Aside from Xorg crashes which have caused me to lose data twice this week, but hey ho
12:03 <DanChapman> i'm being bitten by the wrath of wily today. It's not playing fair
12:04 <popey> hah, same!
12:04 <faenil> popey: ouch
12:05 <DanChapman> so to kick things off how about a little video of progress on this thread view https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qNmJxN18ycnlXR0U/view?usp=sharing
12:05 <popey> so yeah, I'll get your manual tests ovet to you once I stop my laptop going nuts
12:05 * popey looks
12:05 <JMulholland> ooh, video!
12:05 <DanChapman> davmor2: ^^ sorry it's taken so long :-)
12:06 <JMulholland> wow, that’s some nice progress DanChapman
12:06 <davmor2> DanChapman: \o/ videos
12:06 <DanChapman> So i have a few new questions at the bottom of https://dekkoproject.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11272199 which I have come across while implementing it
12:06 <faenil> cool stuff DanChapman :)
12:06 <popey> are you mouse wheel scrolling there?
12:06 <JMulholland> I’m making a note to get a ‘message thread’ icon for us to use (I’m guessing the one in there is a placeholder,, looks a lot like a contextual menu icon)
12:06 <popey> (because it looks great)
12:06 <DanChapman> popey: yeah you can drag and scroll
12:07 <popey> ok
12:08 <DanChapman> JMulholland: Yeah that just points out which message has children. It will change to showing the list of names in the top label once i get to it.
12:08 <JMulholland> so no need for a ‘threaded messages’ icon then?
12:08 <DanChapman> nope :-)
12:08 <JMulholland> nice, cheers Dan!
12:10 <DanChapman> I'm trying to figure out at what point should a message be marked read. It's no longer a case of once the message has been opened start the mark read action as it may still be off screen
12:10 <DanChapman> if more than one message is unread
12:10 <DanChapman> so should it be like once X percentage is visible then mark it or wait for it to fill the screen or at least all be visible
12:11 <popey> Gmail marks entire thread read if you open it (the thread)...
12:11 <JMulholland> which seems the sensible thing to do
12:12 <popey> yeah
12:12 <popey> until a new mail comes in which is part of the thread
12:12 <JMulholland> messages in a thread are largely regarded as a single ‘thing’ after all, so we should have the same behaviour for single messages and thread (i.e. once opened, marked as read)
12:13 <DanChapman> That would make it simpler :-) So as soon as a thread is opened just mark them all
12:13 <JMulholland> is it that straight forward?
12:13 <JMulholland> (just want to be sure)
12:14 <JMulholland> so if we mark a thread as read when opened, does that interfere with our ability to have previously read messages in that thread collapsed, and unread ones open?
12:14 <popey> if you switch to non-thread view, then it marks individual messages read as they are read, like a "traditional" (i.e. crap) mail client
12:15 <popey> but in threaded, yes, I think all messages in a thread go "read" once thread opened
12:15 <DanChapman> No the expanded/collapsed is decided on instantiation the marking is done once that is complete
12:16 <DanChapman> what should be the behaviour of newly arrived messages in a thread while reading it. Should it silently add it to the end and hope you find it or should it automatically focus it in the view?
12:17 <JMulholland> I think silently adding, but reverting/marking the thread as unread (if pos)
12:17 <JMulholland> that way there’s the additional cue of an unread message in thread when looking at/ going back to the inbox list
12:17 <popey> i dont think you should silently add
12:18 <popey> gmail notifies you there's new mail, but lets you choose whether to add it
12:18 <faenil> gmail notifies you at the bottom
12:18 <popey> yeah
12:18 <JMulholland> hm, i can see your point popey
12:18 <JMulholland> as long as its not view stealing/ moving the users position in the thread when a new message arrives...
12:18 <popey> if I know the thread is 3 messages long, and close it, I won't have seen 4 and 5 which arrived after
12:18 <JMulholland> that has the potential to be very anoying
12:19 <popey> if we can have some kind of animation which lets you know new stuff is below, then sure
12:19 <popey> but it needs to be obvious there's more content down there
12:19 <popey> or, you do as gmail does and don't show it
12:19 <JMulholland> agreed, I’ll see if theres anything we can use to notify the user a new message has been added to a thread (not a notification though, that would be way too much)
12:20 <popey> sure
12:20 <popey> something nudging up from beneath maybe
12:20 * popey doesn't know :)
12:20 <DanChapman> I was thinking something wiggling at the bottom
12:20 <JMulholland> i’ll have a think, check the current planned components as well as have a word with visual-design
12:21 <DanChapman> super thanks.
12:21 <JMulholland> if we don’t have anything suitable we might just have to come up with something new :)
12:22 <DanChapman> Next.... how should attachments be displayed as it's missing from the current designs? (this is also probably one for jouni?)
12:23 <popey> you mean, how do you display the fact that there _is_ an attachment (paperclip)?
12:23 <popey> or do you mean, how do we show the content?
12:23 <DanChapman> both :-)
12:24 <JMulholland> right, i did wire-frame that in the convergence spec, but I’ll ask visual-design to take a look to at my sketches and see if it still lines up with the ongoing visual style overhaul
12:26 <DanChapman> ok then that would be great.
12:27 <popey> paperclips... paperclips everywhere
12:28 <DanChapman> :-)
12:28 <popey> I'd imagine some file formats (the simple ones) to be renderable inside dekko (images, plain text, html)?
12:28 <JMulholland> as long as the dont grow eyes and start saying things like ‘i looks like youre trying to read an email…’
12:28 <popey> as a pop over?
12:28 <JMulholland> ;-D
12:28 <popey> hah
12:28 <popey> "It looks like you're trying to distrupt the mobile phone industry..."
12:28 <DanChapman> I would like to have something like that
12:28 <JMulholland> ahaha
12:29 <popey> But any other file format should go -> content hub imo
12:29 <JMulholland> it would be lovely to preview the obvious content types inline, I agree
12:29 <popey> oh, inline yeah, scroll down, and attachments underneath the body of the mail maybe?
12:29 <popey> pretty sure that's how it works on ios
12:29 <popey> when i get photos I just scroll past teh mail and the pics are all right there, preview size
12:30 <JMulholland> that’d be nice, wouldnt ruin the reading flow in threads that way (for example)
12:30 <DanChapman> +
12:30 <DanChapman> 1
12:34 <popey> Ok, anything else?
12:35 <DanChapman> I don't think I have anything else right now. Priority is to get everything moved to uitk 1.3 atm
12:35 <JMulholland> nothing at my end!
12:35 <popey> super!
12:35 <popey> Thanks chaps!
12:35 <popey> #endmeeting