12:05 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko
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12:05 <JMulholland> Right, I’ll go ahead and get something set up for Tuesday then, thanks!
12:06 <DanChapman> :-)
12:07 <DanChapman> I have a couple of questions i'd like to go over with the thread view. see https://dekkoproject.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11272199 and right down the bottom. Saves me typing it all here :-)
12:08 * JMulholland has a read
12:09 <popey> I do like the way mailbox does it.
12:09 <popey> but does that lend itself better to longer mails?
12:09 <popey> reading a bunch of mails in the thread might get tedious going forwards and back?
12:10 <DanChapman> Well you still see all the content in the thread. Just if you want to zoom, copy text etc you need it to be full screen
12:12 <popey> ah okay
12:13 <DanChapman> There's a couple of other android apps that when you try to zoom it changes to a fullscreen view. Can't remember which they were now. So it's not an out of the ordinary solution
12:13 <JMulholland> The ‘step into specific message/ step back to thread view’ UX cost doesn’t seem too high to me, given the benefits - Seems a workable compromise given the tech-issue you’ve hit
12:13 <JMulholland> (or so it seems to me)
12:13 <jounih_> hey
12:14 <DanChapman> hey jounih_
12:14 <jounih_> how are you dan
12:14 <jounih_> sorry im a bit late
12:14 <DanChapman> I'm great thanks. Yourself?
12:14 <JMulholland> lo jouni
12:14 <jounih_> not too shabby thanks :)
12:14 <jounih_> hey james
12:14 <jounih_> i was wondering, how can we get the latest build to test on our xps 13 laptop?
12:15 <JMulholland> DanChapman - should have mentioned, faenil sends his apologies but can’t attend today
12:15 <DanChapman> jounih_: you can get it from the core-apps ppa or from my jenkins builds. Although that's not available until later today
12:15 <jounih_> yeah no rush
12:15 <JMulholland> nice
12:15 <jounih_> next week is fine
12:16 <jounih_> would you be able to email me and james instructions?
12:16 <DanChapman> Sure thing :-)
12:16 <jounih_> thanks :)
12:16 <JMulholland> brilliant, thanks
12:16 <DanChapman> jounih_: we were just discussing the thread view I have a couple of questions at the bottom of this page https://dekkoproject.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11272199
12:17 <jounih_> ah the thread view
12:17 <jounih_> ok
12:17 <jounih_> yeah i think we touched on this the last time
12:17 <jounih_> i need to update the design
12:18 <jounih_> to show a dropdown menu selection for reply/reply all/forward
12:18 <jounih_> in both the  thread view and  compose view
12:19 <DanChapman> JMulholland: I also like what mailbox does with being able to navigate through the thread from the full message view so you wouldn't need to step back out to go to the next in thread
12:19 <jounih_> let me read the whole writeup
12:21 <jounih_> how do you do that navigation dan? can you scroll outside the compose view to see the other messages in the thread?
12:21 <JMulholland> DanChapman Using the up/down carets I assume?
12:22 <JMulholland> My previous comment on this topc, FYI jounih_ :
12:22 <JMulholland> JMulholland: The ‘step into specific message/ step back to thread view’ UX cost doesn’t seem too high to me, given the benefits - Seems a workable compromise given the tech-issue you’ve hit
12:23 <jounih_> isn’t the design we have now the same as mailbox? (didn’t know dropbox have their own email client btw)
12:23 <DanChapman> jounih_, not sure I understand. The navigation to the full message view containing a single message?
12:24 <jounih_> ie. read messages in a thread -> reply/edit in full screen mode
12:24 <jounih_> and back button to get back to the thread
12:24 <jounih_> shall we hangout :)
12:25 <DanChapman> jounih_: the issue is touch interaction with the messages in the thread view. There's limitations with not being able to click links, zoom and copy text.
12:26 <DanChapman> So what i'm suggesting is to interact in that way the message needs to be made full screen so that oxide can receive all our touch inputs
12:26 <jounih_> ah because the qml steals the events?
12:26 <DanChapman> yeah :-)
12:26 <JMulholland> jounih_ the design is fairly close, but based on Dans findings regarding an oxide webview inside a qml flickable, we’ll likely need a little more thought/ finesing
12:26 <jounih_> right
12:26 <jounih_> would you be able to pass the events through from qml to oxide
12:28 <DanChapman> I did try but oxide doesn't seem to use Qt for it's input events so I couldn't get the events to propagate
12:29 <DanChapman> I had hoped to pick faenils brain on that one. I'll try grab him later today/tomorrow
12:30 <jounih_> olivier would be a good one too
12:30 <jounih_> he is the main dev for oxide
12:30 <jounih_> you know him?
12:31 <DanChapman> is that osomon?
12:31 <jounih_> yes
12:31 <DanChapman> ok i'll do that as well
12:31 <jounih_> cool
12:31 <jounih_> yeah i don’t know if it’s possible to bridge the events
12:32 <jounih_> but olivier might have come across the same in the browser before
12:32 <jounih_> with things like copy/paste which uses our SDK text selection on top of webview
12:32 <JMulholland> not currently they don’t jounih_ ;)
12:32 <JMulholland> but that’s probably better addressed by Oli
12:33 <jounih_> it’s pretty broken but i remember seeing the QML text selection handles there
12:33 <jounih_> if we can solve this by propagating the events then we wouldn’t need to adjust the design
12:33 <jounih_> in terms of design for the thread
12:34 <jounih_> do you like the Gmail style threading i’ve done, or the more card like design on some of these others?
12:35 <JMulholland> They both have their merits I suppose
12:35 <DanChapman> I like the current gmail style of it. And yes if we can figure out the event propagation then the design won't need adjusting
12:36 <jounih_> coolio
12:36 <JMulholland> Gmail style is perhaps ‘tidier’, but the card-like approach would be clearer if navigating to a different view were necessary for interacting with message bodies (copy, open URL, etc)
12:36 <jounih_> I’ll send you a design with the dropdown menu for reply/all/forward
12:36 <jounih_> anything else guys?
12:37 <jounih_> look forward to testing the thing on real hardware :)
12:37 <DanChapman> Super, thanks!
12:37 <DanChapman> I don't have anything else right now.
12:37 <popey> Awesome
12:37 <JMulholland> nothing from me either, thanks chaps! :)
12:37 <jounih_> alright, thanks dan & james!
12:37 <DanChapman> Thanks guys!
12:38 <jounih_> have a good weekend!
12:38 <popey> Thanks guys
12:38 <popey> #endmeeting