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15:38 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 27 15:38:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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15:38 <mzanetti> haha
15:38 <popey> So a couple of things from this sprint worth noting:-
15:38 <popey> Been doing a lot of testing of nexus 4 + mouse / kb + screen
15:38 <mzanetti> uh!
15:38 <popey> been taking notes and have bugs to file all over the place, which is my friday activity I think :)
15:39 <mzanetti> that works for me...
15:39 <popey> Some, I am not sure if they're unity or app specific
15:39 <mzanetti> so basically topic is: Let's converge!
15:39 <popey> e.g. mouse wheel
15:39 <popey> yes!
15:39 <popey> basically no apps scroll when you use the wheel
15:39 <mzanetti> right... I think no support in unity yet
15:39 <mzanetti> should be pretty high up the list by now tho
15:39 <mzanetti> within next 4 weeks I expect
15:40 <popey> okay
15:40 <mzanetti> also: if we're getting serious about windowed mode, I would prefer switching to the multicolumn view thing from SDK
15:40 <mzanetti> and dropping my hacky self-made way of that
15:40 <popey> saves me one bug report
15:40 <popey> +1
15:41 <mzanetti> and, I would really want some designer to give some advice too
15:41 <popey> they were showing off a bunch of apps here which are landing converged views
15:41 * mzanetti waves at JMulholland
15:41 <mzanetti> that helps a lot
15:41 <popey> I think he has a call at this time. I will go and have a chat with him
15:41 <popey> Addressbook and messaging app
15:41 * JMulholland waves back at mzanetti
15:41 <mzanetti> :D
15:41 <popey> they have some nice designs for converged view
15:42 <popey> which morph nicely between portait and landscape
15:42 <mzanetti> ah ok. messaging app is quite similar
15:42 <mzanetti> I'll check that out then to get some inspiration
15:42 <popey> Another thing that works nicely in landscape is file manager
15:42 <JMulholland> well, the messaging app was preceded by our work on Dekko
15:42 <JMulholland> so no suprises there ;)
15:42 <popey> the side panel containing "Places" shrinks when not used
15:42 <mzanetti> hmm... I guess I should check out dekko then :D
15:42 <popey> to make more room for the main panel
15:43 <popey> JMulholland: got a link to the dekko design doc handy for mzanetti ?
15:43 <JMulholland> sure
15:43 <JMulholland> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aw94i12b7Gc-xwUU2V73uz4H5jknMz8xHoa6mAW6mJc/edit?usp=sharing
15:43 <popey> ta
15:43 <popey> mzanetti: also, i note we don't have copy/paste yet, or it's broken :)
15:44 <popey> I tried to copy out of notes by long pressing, and it didn't work here
15:44 <mzanetti> popey, do you mean ctrl+c/ctrl+v?
15:44 <mzanetti> or the touch longpress thing
15:44 <mzanetti> I think mir/qtmir is lacking support for that still... and I think it works in reminders on X11
15:45 <JMulholland> the wirerfames have fallen a little behind the visual design now (as thats being overhauled and I’ve been spec’ing other things), but I’ll forward those to you too
15:45 <popey> touch long press
15:46 <mzanetti> popey, depends on what branch you used
15:46 <mzanetti> popey, we haven't released that yet
15:46 <mzanetti> popey, that's why I'm pestering you so much about the release
15:46 <popey> ah okay
15:46 <popey> heh, noted ;)
15:46 <popey> trunk doesn't work on desktop either :)
15:47 <popey> x11
15:47 <popey> i mean, i can't highlight a line
15:47 <mzanetti> JMulholland, that's fine for me... I won't implement that spec anyways, just need some inspiration how to handle toolbars/views in reminders
15:47 * mzanetti tries
15:48 <mzanetti> building...
15:49 <mzanetti> This is text from a note
15:49 <mzanetti> copy/pasted that from a note ^
15:50 <mzanetti> using ctrl+c/ctrl+v
15:50 <mzanetti> text
15:50 <mzanetti> copy/pasted that using mouse only ^
15:50 <mzanetti> so...
15:50 <popey> did you use the mouse to hilight the line?
15:50 <mzanetti> first time kbd (shift+arrows)
15:50 <mzanetti> second time, double-click
15:51 <popey> ah, you have to be in edit mode?
15:51 <mzanetti> also works in the view mode, but only with double-click, not with click+drag
15:51 <mzanetti> which I think is an issue in the browser tho
15:51 <popey> ok, i believe you :)
15:52 <popey> i can't even hilight a line
15:52 <popey> you using kde?
15:52 <popey> :)
15:52 <mzanetti> no... unity7
15:52 <popey> hm
15:52 <mzanetti> are you running latest trunk?
15:53 <popey> a few days old
15:53 <popey> [M#n6ii  reminders-app                            0.4+15.04.20141118-0ubunt amd64                     Reminders application
15:53 <popey> uh
15:53 <popey> wtf
15:54 <mzanetti> wat?
15:54 <popey> lulz, the version of the archive
15:54 <popey> seems to have removed the one I dpkg installed
15:54 <mzanetti> 20141118
15:54 <mzanetti> dude
15:54 <popey> so yeah, ignore me
15:54 <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=reminders-app
15:54 <popey> we should remove that
15:54 <popey> or update it
15:54 <mzanetti> yeah
15:54 <mzanetti> that sounds like an action point for you :)
15:55 <popey> okay
15:55 <popey> noted
15:55 <popey> which, remove or update?
15:55 <mzanetti> hmm... good question
15:55 <mzanetti> what are the other core apps doing?
15:55 <popey> not being in the archive
15:55 <mzanetti> lol
15:55 <mzanetti> ok... remove then
15:55 <popey> ok.
15:56 <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/reminders-app/+bugs
15:56 <popey> uh
15:56 <popey> ok, lets remove
15:56 * popey has noted this
15:57 <mzanetti> popey, what's with that but list?
15:57 <mzanetti> oh
15:57 <mzanetti> bugs we missed because they were filed for the package
15:58 <popey> yeah
15:58 <popey> luckily not many of them :)
15:58 <mzanetti> that's quite recent tho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/reminders-app/+bug/1484421
15:58 <mzanetti> orange circle of death :D
15:58 <mzanetti> seems more a unity/qtmir bug tho
16:00 <popey> i like that name
16:00 <popey> yeah, we can triage that list quickly
16:01 <popey> Okay, so I will push Notes to QA to the store once that merge you mentioned is landed, yes?
16:03 <mzanetti> yes please
16:03 <popey> ok
16:05 <popey> You know, part of me thinks we should update the repo and not remove it
16:05 <popey> It's an evernote client, people always want evernote clients.
16:05 <mzanetti> works for me
16:06 <mzanetti> but I can't maintain it
16:06 <mzanetti> it would need to be you to do the updates etc
16:06 <mzanetti> I can and will try to do my best to fix bugs, also for desktop etc
16:06 <mzanetti> but you'd need to do the package mangling
16:07 <popey> hm. let me have a think :)
16:07 <popey> I'd hate for us to yank it and people not to have a nice way to have the app
16:09 <popey> given we went through the faff of getting it into the archive in the first place
16:09 <popey> makes sense to update it really?
16:09 <popey> okay. I'll see how much effort it is to update it.
16:09 <popey> we dont muck about with packaging much, so shouldn't be too much work :)
16:09 <popey> Anything else?
16:10 <JMulholland> nothing from me, let me know if you need any design help with those toolbars/views mzanetti!
16:11 <mzanetti> popey, I've moved most of those bugs over to the app
16:11 <mzanetti> one of them, which is about the .deb package name is still there
16:11 <mzanetti> popey, I think there's another one about this... something about the evernote plugin
16:11 <mzanetti> if we keep being in the archive we should look at those
16:12 <popey> okay
16:12 <mzanetti> JMulholland, ack, I will
16:12 <popey> oh, hang on, didn't we remove the evernote plugin from the archive?
16:12 <popey> only the sandbox one iirc
16:12 <popey> but yes, i agree
16:12 <mzanetti> I think it is still there, and that's what this bug is about
16:12 <mzanetti> let me find it
16:14 <popey> which bug?
16:14 <mzanetti> can't find it any more :(
16:14 <popey> hah
16:14 <popey> I'll have a look for them
16:14 <popey> no worries
16:14 <mzanetti> popey, ah, one thing that comes to mind still
16:15 <mzanetti> afaik some community apps are currently migrating to jenkins as a service
16:15 * popey pokes balloons
16:15 <mzanetti> i'd be interested in that for reminders too
16:15 <popey> (anyone who mentions jenkins, triggers my balloons ping)
16:15 <mzanetti> I see it as a chance to enable the qmltests
16:16 <popey> Yeah, I don't know the status of that.
16:16 <popey> ooh
16:16 <balloons> haha
16:16 <mzanetti> balloons, think we can try to set that up?
16:16 <balloons> we can enable the qmltests sure. I've been using reminders as a testbed. We just got the prod service online. I mean literally just 10 mins ago
16:17 <popey> hah
16:17 <popey> Timing++
16:17 <balloons> https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/reminders-app-ci/
16:17 <mzanetti> balloons, there are some branches who add even more qmltests for reminders
16:17 <balloons> I'm was going to start testing it this afternoon
16:18 <mzanetti> balloons, if we can get those running I'm confident all future tests will too (at least in the foreseeable future)
16:18 <mzanetti> balloons, if you get that one through a jenkins, you'd be my hero of the week: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/qmltest3/+merge/253753
16:18 <mzanetti> ;)
16:19 <balloons> whoa.. that's an oldie.
16:19 <mzanetti> yeah... we nerver merged it because well, jenkins couldn't do
16:19 <balloons> is it ready to land? We can certainly land it I think
16:19 <balloons> sounds like a challenge. Sure, let's try
16:19 <mzanetti> I think it should be ready... maybe some conflicts, because it is old, but I could certainly fix them asap
16:19 <balloons> right right
16:25 <popey> Ok, anything else?
16:31 * popey tickles mzanetti
16:32 <mzanetti> hihi
16:32 <mzanetti> no... can't think of anything else atm
16:35 <popey> ok!
16:35 <popey> Thanks chaps!
16:35 <popey> ping me if i dont notice that merge land :)
16:35 <popey> #endmeeting