12:01 #startmeeting Dekko meeting 12:01 Meeting started Thu Aug 20 12:01:29 2015 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 12:01 12:01 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 12:01 hey chaps. 12:01 Things are good thanks :-) and yourself? 12:01 Hi popey 12:01  12:01 Howdy 12:03 So what’s on the agenda today chaps? 12:03 JMulholland: So i'm just looking over the latest dekko visuals and I see there is now a reply button instead of the text field at the bottom. Is that now going to just load a full screen composer? 12:04 popey: I see you wern't included in the email, did you get them seperately? or should I forward them on? 12:04 Erk, sorry I had assumed Jouni included you Alan 12:04 again? :( 12:04 * popey adds 1 to the number of times he's been missed of design mails 12:05 heh, just sent it 12:05 DanChapman Yes Dan, that’s the current plan - accessing from the header, but (at the moment) the way the composer appears doesn’t need to change 12:06 The new SDK component guidance for desktop (as of last week) is that, where possible, bottom edge labels are replaced in the header and triggered from there when possible/ sensible 12:06 Dekko is our first practical example of that in action/ being desireble :) 12:07 Ok great :-) the only outstanding question I have for that then is how to change reply type & forwarding 12:07 (where in the midst of a pretty major SDK overhaul and update that most of the design team is working on) 12:08 Oh nice! 12:09 You mean reply type and forwarding when looking at a message or replying, rather than from the new message compossr I assume? 12:10 Yeah, well I suppose the reply type can be changed from the composer. There just isn't a clear way from looking at the message to forward it 12:12 Right, I’ll follow up on that ASAP, factoring in the planned SDK changes 12:12 There may be a slinky new component that’s fit for purpose 12:12 ok great, thanks :-) 12:13 Will this threaded message view also be used on small form factors or will it fall back to the single message view? 12:14 The hope is we’d do it for both if possible 12:14 +1 12:14 Would be nice to be consistent between "desktop" and "mobile" views 12:14 Absolutely, there are definite advantages to that approach 12:14 excellent, that makes things easier :-) 12:16 Ok, separately... 12:16 https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-sync/+bug/1477210 12:16 hmmm, does the star in the message view header flag the whole thread? 12:16 we've bumped to OTA 7 12:16 which is end of september. 12:16 ~6 weeks away 12:17 https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1421923 seems to be the prioity for that. 12:17 Ok cool. Could you find out if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bug/1425949 still regarded as being a must have 12:17 niklas has been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1421923/comments/8 12:18 I will when Pat gets back next week, that's one that he had as a priority 12:18 but given your comment I think we can possibly drop that requirement 12:18 I've also got a simple service running and succesfully sedning push messages https://bitbucket.org/dekkoproject/imap-notify/src 12:21 popey: so will the polld approach actually be accepted? 12:21 It could be a quicker win for us on this, and it will need review of course. 12:23 Chipaca: ^ niklas has contributed other things to account-polld 12:23 I notice he's actually got more karma on that project than anyone else :) 12:23 Chipaca: do you forsee any issues with the imap notification stuff niklas has done so far? 12:23 It's incomplete of course. 12:24 I have to leave 5mins before today guys, DanChapman as usual ping me when needed, even outside meeting times ;) even though I've just been a listener to every meeting so far XD :D 12:26 DanChapman: I'll chase up after the meeting anyway. 12:26 DanChapman: have we had much feedback from the online accounts integration? That landed recently, right? 12:26 popey: for dekko to use polld/online accounts it will require a special Dekko provider that will store both IMAP & SMTP credentials. If it's just an IMAP provider it will be a nightmare to work for dual accounts 12:27 hm 12:27 popey: I got sil & mivoligo to test it out, but I planned to update the store tomorrow/saturday and get further testing 12:27 Okay. 12:28 why does it need smtp for receiving notifications? 12:31 and apparently on a very bad connection 12:32 popey: did you get any of that? 12:32 IT doesn;t but creating an account that has both IMAP & SMTP servers would mean having to create an online account for IMAP and then locally create & store an SMTP account, and having them split in different locations is not going to be that nice. I would rather keep configs for a single account enclosed in the same location 12:32 Chipaca: nope :) 12:32 me either 12:33 right, okay. 12:34 DanChapman: I will try and get niklas to join us in #dekko to discuss these things I think. 12:34 sounds like a plan :-) 12:35 i am aware of niklas's contributions to polld, also wrt imap. I am an anti-fan of polld, for performance / design-as-in-engineering reasons, but will review his branches when they're ready for merging 12:35 they are most obviously not a solution to having push notifications for imap, if that is what we are being asked for 12:36 right 12:37 polld has been concieved, built, and sold as a hack, a stand-in to get applications that we care about but that are from big providers that don't care about us, onto the phone 12:37 e.g. twitter, facebook, gmail 12:38 sold as in convinced-people-to-build-it 12:39 it has no maintainer inside canonical 12:39 Okay. 12:39 ok. 12:40 but it works :) 12:41 Indeed :) 12:42 Right so what do we do to move forward from here? I suppose the end goal is to have a server solution, but that won't be in the next ~6weeks 12:43 I'll have a chat with Niklas, get him in dekko and we can discuss this further. 12:43 #dekko that is 12:43 ok then :) 12:45 Anything else we need to discuss? 12:45 Nothing here. 12:45 Nothing here 12:45 As ever, give me a shout if there’s anything I can help with :) 12:46 Thanks chaps 12:46 #endmeeting