12:01 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko meeting
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12:01 <popey> hey chaps.
12:01 <DanChapman> Things are good thanks :-) and yourself?
12:01 <JMulholland> Hi popey
12:01 <JMulholland> 
12:01 <DanChapman> Howdy
12:03 <JMulholland> So what’s on the agenda today chaps?
12:03 <DanChapman> JMulholland: So i'm just looking over the latest dekko visuals and I see there is now a reply button instead of the text field at the bottom. Is that now going to just load a full screen composer?
12:04 <DanChapman> popey: I see you wern't included in the email, did you get them seperately? or should I forward them on?
12:04 <JMulholland> Erk, sorry I had assumed Jouni included you Alan
12:04 <popey> again? :(
12:04 * popey adds 1 to the number of times he's been missed of design mails
12:05 <DanChapman> heh, just sent it
12:05 <JMulholland> DanChapman Yes Dan, that’s the current plan - accessing from the header, but (at the moment) the way the composer appears doesn’t need to change
12:06 <JMulholland> The new SDK component guidance for desktop (as of last week) is that, where possible, bottom edge labels are replaced in the header and triggered from there when possible/ sensible
12:06 <JMulholland> Dekko is our first practical example of that in action/ being desireble :)
12:07 <DanChapman> Ok great :-) the only outstanding question I have for that then is how to change reply type & forwarding
12:07 <JMulholland> (where in the midst of a pretty major SDK overhaul and update that most of the design team is working on)
12:08 <DanChapman> Oh nice!
12:09 <JMulholland> You mean reply type and forwarding when looking at a message or replying, rather than from the new message compossr I assume?
12:10 <DanChapman> Yeah, well I suppose the reply type can be changed from the composer. There just isn't a clear way from looking at the message to forward it
12:12 <JMulholland> Right, I’ll follow up on that ASAP, factoring in the planned SDK changes
12:12 <JMulholland> There may be a slinky new component that’s fit for purpose
12:12 <DanChapman> ok great, thanks :-)
12:13 <DanChapman> Will this threaded message view also be used on small form factors or will it fall back to the single message view?
12:14 <JMulholland> The hope is we’d do it for both if possible
12:14 <popey> +1
12:14 <popey> Would be nice to be consistent between "desktop" and "mobile" views
12:14 <JMulholland> Absolutely, there are definite advantages to that approach
12:14 <DanChapman> excellent, that makes things easier :-)
12:16 <popey> Ok, separately...
12:16 <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-sync/+bug/1477210
12:16 <DanChapman> hmmm, does the star in the message view header flag the whole thread?
12:16 <popey> we've bumped to OTA 7
12:16 <popey> which is end of september.
12:16 <popey> ~6 weeks away
12:17 <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1421923 seems to be the prioity for that.
12:17 <DanChapman> Ok cool. Could you find out if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/content-hub/+bug/1425949 still regarded as being a must have
12:17 <popey> niklas has been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1421923/comments/8
12:18 <popey> I will when Pat gets back next week, that's one that he had as a priority
12:18 <popey> but given your comment I think we can possibly drop that requirement
12:18 <DanChapman> I've also got a simple service running and succesfully sedning push messages https://bitbucket.org/dekkoproject/imap-notify/src
12:21 <DanChapman> popey: so will the polld approach actually be accepted?
12:21 <popey> It could be a quicker win for us on this, and it will need review of course.
12:23 <popey> Chipaca: ^ niklas has contributed other things to account-polld
12:23 <popey> I notice he's actually got more karma on that project than anyone else :)
12:23 <popey> Chipaca: do you forsee any issues with the imap notification stuff niklas has done so far?
12:23 <popey> It's incomplete of course.
12:24 <faenil> I have to leave 5mins before today guys, DanChapman as usual ping me when needed, even outside meeting times ;) even though I've just been a listener to every meeting so far XD :D
12:26 <popey> DanChapman: I'll chase up after the meeting anyway.
12:26 <popey> DanChapman: have we had much feedback from the online accounts integration? That landed recently, right?
12:26 <DanChapman> popey: for dekko to use polld/online accounts it will require a special Dekko provider that will store both IMAP & SMTP credentials. If it's just an IMAP provider it will be a nightmare to work for dual accounts
12:27 <popey> hm
12:27 <DanChapman> popey: I got sil & mivoligo to test it out, but I planned to update the store tomorrow/saturday and get further testing
12:27 <popey> Okay.
12:28 <popey> why does it need smtp for receiving notifications?
12:31 <Chipaca> and apparently on a very bad connection
12:32 <Chipaca> popey: did you get any of that?
12:32 <DanChapman> IT doesn;t but creating an account that has both IMAP & SMTP servers would mean having to create an online account for IMAP and then locally create & store an SMTP account, and having them split in different locations is not going to be that nice. I would rather keep configs for a single account enclosed in the same location
12:32 <popey> Chipaca: nope :)
12:32 <JMulholland> me either
12:33 <popey> right, okay.
12:34 <popey> DanChapman: I will try and get niklas to join us in #dekko to discuss these things I think.
12:34 <DanChapman> sounds like a plan :-)
12:35 <Chipaca> i am aware of niklas's contributions to polld, also wrt imap. I am an anti-fan of polld, for performance / design-as-in-engineering reasons, but will review his branches when they're ready for merging
12:35 <Chipaca> they are most obviously not a solution to having push notifications for imap, if that is what we are being asked for
12:36 <popey> right
12:37 <Chipaca> polld has been concieved, built, and sold as a hack, a stand-in to get applications that we care about but that are from big providers that don't care about us, onto the phone
12:37 <Chipaca> e.g. twitter, facebook, gmail
12:38 <Chipaca> sold as in convinced-people-to-build-it
12:39 <Chipaca> it has no maintainer inside canonical
12:39 <popey> Okay.
12:39 <Chipaca> ok.
12:40 <Chipaca> but it works :)
12:41 <popey> Indeed :)
12:42 <DanChapman> Right so what do we do to move forward from here? I suppose the end goal is to have a server solution, but that won't be in the next ~6weeks
12:43 <popey> I'll have a chat with Niklas, get him in dekko and we can discuss this further.
12:43 <popey> #dekko that is
12:43 <DanChapman> ok then :)
12:45 <popey> Anything else we need to discuss?
12:45 <JMulholland> Nothing here.
12:45 <DanChapman> Nothing here
12:45 <JMulholland> As ever, give me a shout if there’s anything I can help with :)
12:46 <popey> Thanks chaps
12:46 <popey> #endmeeting