== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Clock meeting, 13 Aug at 14:32 — 15:08 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-08-13-14.32.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/update-default-alarm-sound/+merge/267953 
''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-clock-app/ubuntu-clock-city-name-fix/+merge/266153 
''LINK:'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population is a really nice list!
''LINK:'' http://paste.ubuntu.com/12071631/ 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (46)
 * nik90 (38)
 * gang66_ (29)
 * meetingology (3)
 * DanChapman (1)



== Full Log ==


 14:32 <popey> #startmeeting Clock meeting

 14:32 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 13 14:32:15 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 14:32 <meetingology> 

 14:32 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 14:32 <popey> Hows it going guys?

 14:32 <gang66_> Great :-)

 14:32 <nik90> Hi popey, gang66_ ..be there in a moment

 14:33 <gang66_> I would like to ask if we could manage to push stopwatch with OTA-6

 14:33 <popey> Unfortunately James can't be with us today, he's had to take some time off for a personal appointment.

 14:34 <gang66_> With StopWatch we will need also translate new strings

 14:35 <popey> The OTA-6 image is scheduled to be built on Tuesday

 14:35 <popey> Not sure we can be included _in_ that image given we need QA to review.

 14:35 <nik90> Hi :)

 14:35 <popey> However the image won't go out to users until later, which we could sync with.

 14:36 <nik90> that would too close for comfort to getting it in before tuesday. Also the QA team must be really busy due to the gcc5 stuff

 14:37 <gang66_> ok

 14:37 <nik90> also with image #94, we got 2 additional alarm sounds and one of them will be made the default. So updating clock after OTA-6 when we're sure that the new sounds have landed in the phone is better imo.

 14:37 <nik90> I got to know about it only today morning

 14:38 <gang66_> I tested new alarm sound branch and it is not playing other sound when the "alarm sound" is missing

 14:39 <nik90> You tested on the phone or desktop?

 14:39 <gang66_> https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/update-default-alarm-sound/+merge/267953

 14:39 <gang66_> Phone

 14:39 <gang66_> BQ E4.5

 14:39 <nik90> hmm strange, I would expect indicator-datetime to fallback on a known alarm sound

 14:39 <nik90> alrite then we push that to after OTA-6 then

 14:40 <gang66_> Please verify it on your phone

 14:40 <gang66_> Maybe it is a bug in indicator datetime

 14:40 <gang66_> ?

 14:40 <nik90> ok, I will check it out

 14:41 <gang66_> We have solution for integration stopper;

 14:41 <gang66_> https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-clock-app/ubuntu-clock-city-name-fix/+merge/266153

 14:42 <nik90> Yes :D

 14:43 <gang66_> Popey: I would like to ask, if we could receive queries from geonames? I would like to get list of most frequent citynames and buildin  init to our Static list

 14:44 <popey> Not sure I understand the question.

 14:44 <popey> You want to know data about what clients are most requesting?

 14:44 <nik90> yes

 14:44 <popey> Hm.

 14:44 <popey> I don't know if we gather that information.

 14:45 <popey> I'd anticipate much resistance asking for it, too.

 14:45 <nik90> surely there must be cities that are commonly searched through ubuntu geonames, and we could use that data to improve our static city list.

 14:45 <nik90> ok

 14:45 <nik90> true

 14:45 <popey> I expect it would be skewed by our own autopilot tests too :)

 14:46 <gang66_> var url = String("%1%2%3") .arg("http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=") .arg(searchField.text) .arg("&app=com.ubuntu.clock&version=3.4.x")

 14:46 <nik90> haha...well our autopilot tests only search from the static list since jenkins doesnt have internet access

 14:46 <gang66_> Here is the query from Clock app

 14:46 <popey> What's the goal?

 14:47 <popey> Show a pre-defined list of cities where we know people already are?

 14:47 <popey> That seems unhelpful given we don't sell in every country.

 14:47 <popey> (well, we didn't but do now)

 14:47 <nik90> popey: right now we provide a list of 250 cities. If we knew the cities people searched outside the 250, we could add it to our own list, so they wouldnt have to go online.

 14:47 <popey> true

 14:47 <nik90> and the static list we include is fully translated

 14:48 <gang66_> yes

 14:48 <gang66_> thanks nik90

 14:48 <popey> I'm just not convinced we'll get statistically useful data.

 14:48 <nik90> it is just to improve the experience further..but I do understand that it may breach user privacy

 14:49 <popey> The other point is people don't do full searches

 14:49 <popey> What if someone searches for "lon", is that London? Or some other city?

 14:49 <nik90> indeed

 14:49 <nik90> I didnt think of that

 14:50 <popey> We can't know which result they pick, because that never gets sent back to the server (rightly)

 14:50 <popey> Sorry to push back on this, but I'm just not convinced we'll get useful data from it

 14:51 <popey> This is presuming we even log this stuff - which it's entirely possible we don't.

 14:51 <nik90> no no I understand. I didnt think about the partial search and also the useful of the data that is collectable (rightly so)

 14:51 <popey> My gut reaction is to look at what other vendors do

 14:52 <popey> And, look at public data for population density.

 14:52 <nik90> which is how I compiled the initial list by looking at google's clock app

 14:52 <popey> google + wikipedia + list of most populated cities

 14:52 <nik90> hmm true that's a good idea ^^

 14:52 <gang66_> ok

 14:52 <gang66_> nice idea

 14:52 <popey> Would almost certainly be more useful than "list of people who already have ubuntu and have looked up their city during the installation of one app)

 14:53 <nik90> +

 14:53 <popey> s/)/"

 14:53 <gang66_> I would like to have list of cites without users

 14:53 <gang66_> so it will be only city names

 14:53 <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population is a really nice list!

 14:53 <gang66_> Don't get me wrong

 14:54 <popey> unsurprisingly lots of chinese cities

 14:54 * nik90 surprised to bengaluru when it is clearly Bangalore :P

 14:55 <popey> So that would be my take, collect data from existing apps (ios, android, 3rd party) and public data.

 14:55 <popey> That sound fair?

 14:56 <nik90> yes

 14:56 <gang66_> yes

 14:56 <gang66_> We could create bug ticket for that

 14:56 <nik90> I just got a idea from mzanetti's app to keep the screen on when the stopwatch is running. Its a nice little polish.

 14:57 <popey> yeah, good idea

 14:59 <gang66_> Do we need UX approval for that?

 14:59 <popey> for keeping screen on, no

 14:59 <popey> imo

 14:59 <popey> It's just a super sensible thing to do :)

 14:59 <nik90> indeed..it something you would notice only when testing the app

 15:00 <nik90> alrite let's see next week how the progress goes since any new string we introduce (stopwatch) will need translations and those take another 2-3 days minimum.

 15:00 <nik90> it really depends on when we get the design approval and icon assets.

 15:00 <popey> ok. Anything else?

 15:00 <popey> feel free to poke design :)

 15:00 <popey> via email preferably

 15:00 <nik90> nope. We landed a couple of alarm page UI changes (minor)

 15:01 <nik90> that's about it

 15:01 <nik90> gang66_: I will retest your MP tonight and do a full code review in the weekend when I get time.

 15:02 <nik90> popey: quick question, can I have the script you use to generate fat packages of clock?

 15:03 <nik90> (hopefully it is as easy as pointing it at the source folder)

 15:03 <gang66_> me too

 15:03 <nik90> :)

 15:03 <popey> sure nik90

 15:03 <popey> got it from DanChapman :)

 15:03 <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12071631/

 15:04 <nik90> sweet. thnx

 15:04 <DanChapman> :)

 15:05 <popey> Ok, anything else for clock?

 15:05 <nik90> Nothing from me. gang66_ ?

 15:07 <gang66_> no

 15:07 <gang66_> thanks

 15:07 <popey> \o/

 15:07 <popey> thanks guys

 15:08 <popey> #endmeeting



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