== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Terminal meeting, 08 Jul at 16:04 — 16:51 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-07-08-16.04.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1452691 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (72)
 * dpm (46)
 * swordfish (26)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 16:04 <popey> #startmeeting Terminal meeting

 16:04 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul  8 16:04:08 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 16:05 <popey> how are you swordfish ?

 16:06 <swordfish> Hello!.. I'm fine thanks... And you?

 16:07 <popey> doing super thanks!

 16:07 <swordfish> Great!... Did you mange to find the work on the standalone version of the terminal?

 16:08 <popey> not really, I think that'll be a friday morning thing

 16:08 <popey> I did figure out bug 1452691 though

 16:08 <popey> hmm, no bot.

 16:08 <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1452691

 16:09 <popey> Seems the Ubuntu colour scheme is broken

 16:09 <popey> looks like a simple number error in the text file, so could easily be a bitesize bug :)

 16:11 <swordfish> Mmmh... That's a good catch. I don't know if the issue is the profile or the way we manage colors.

 16:12 <popey> i fudged one line in the file and "fixed" it

 16:12 <popey> bascially it's r,g,b values, and the r value was like 240 or something

 16:12 <popey> so i swapped the r and b values, and magically red turns blue :)

 16:12 <popey> i think it's just a typo

 16:13 <swordfish> Nice. :D ...  I sadly don't remember what I did when I created the profile.

 16:13 <popey> [Color4]

 16:13 <popey> Bold=false

 16:13 <popey> Color=220,62,16

 16:13 <popey> Transparency=false

 16:13 <popey> that just _looks_ wrong

 16:13 <popey> r = 220 and b = 16, for a "blue" colour :)

 16:13 <popey> anyway, it's triaged now, and marked bitesize.

 16:14 <swordfish> Very well. Thanks!

 16:14 <popey> Back to the subject of terminal standalone... I agree with Niklas that we should build a standalone one based off the same code base

 16:14 <popey> After thinking, it seems daft to have a whole separate branch to maintain

 16:14 <popey> Although we wouldn't want the code to be littered with ifdefs

 16:17 <swordfish> I completely agree with you, but I don't really like the idea of putting everything in the same place. (And everything that gets composed at runtime)..

 16:18 <popey> I don't think there's really a lot of difference between terminal and standalone to be honest

 16:18 <swordfish> Maybe the best idea would be to split the terminal into core-component and "something else".

 16:18 <popey> I didn't actually end up ripping much out, only really tabs and tab UI

 16:18 <popey> maybe, yeah

 16:18 <dpm> hey all o/

 16:18 <popey> hello dpm

 16:18 <swordfish> Hi dpm!

 16:18 <dpm> sorry, just popping in out of the blue :)

 16:18 <dpm> a call I was supposed to have did not happen

 16:18 <dpm> hey swordfish, hi again popey :)

 16:19 <dpm> just wanted to say I've been enjoying using Terminal as my main terminal on the desktop for the last 2 weeks :)

 16:19 <swordfish> I'm really glad to hear that!... :D

 16:20 <dpm> :-)

 16:20 <popey> dpm: swordfish has been really busy recently with his new job

 16:21 <popey> but Niklas has been stepping up and fixing some things

 16:22 <swordfish> dpm, Yeah. My spare time has been greatly reduced, but likely someone else is helpling. :)

 16:22 <swordfish> Anyway I expect more feedback and contribution as desktop becomes more important...

 16:23 <dpm> swordfish, glad to hear about the new job, I hope it's going well

 16:23 <dpm> yeah, we should push for more use of terminal on the desktop, you don't even need to wait for unity 8

 16:24 <dpm> I might do shameless plugs of bugs I encounter as I use it :)

 16:24 <popey> hah, do so

 16:24 <dpm> :-)

 16:24 <popey> The only other thing to mention, is the first run wizard

 16:24 <dpm> oh, shiny

 16:24 <popey> Niklas is keen on making a first run thing - like Unity8 or Music/Podbird has

 16:25 <popey> because apparenly the gestures for scrolling etc are hard to find

 16:25 <dpm> it'd be good to discover you can use double finger drag to scroll indeed :)

 16:25 <popey> I say "apparently" because we all know about them...

 16:25 <popey> I pinged a mail to JMulholland earlier today asking for some design input, and will catch up with him tomorrow

 16:25 <dpm> well... I didn't until I saw it a couple of weeks ago on the mailing list :)

 16:25 <popey> erk

 16:26 <swordfish> Yeah, I think a small tutorial might be helpful. At least for the shortcuts-bar and the gestures.

 16:26 <popey> well, we can fix that

 16:26 <popey> yeah

 16:26 <dpm> yeah

 16:26 <popey> we have a bug for it, just need a design

 16:26 <popey> we could use something simple like music/podbird

 16:26 <dpm> cool

 16:26 <popey> or go crazy with an overlay

 16:26 <swordfish> dpm, (And of course feel free to open loads of bugs) :D

 16:26 <swordfish> Definitely agreed!

 16:27 * dpm sharpens mouse button :)

 16:27 <dpm> yeah, I noticed the latest messaging app update brought a nice and simple overlay, might be yet another source for inspiration

 16:28 <popey> will see what james says, if he has no opinion either way we'll do our own thing

 16:28 <popey> Other than that I had nothing specific to discuss.

 16:28 <dpm> ack

 16:28 <dpm> although popey keeps updating me, I've been a bit out of touch with development - what's the context on the "standalone terminal" discussion?

 16:28 <popey> swordfish: I am on vacation next week.

 16:28 <swordfish> Agreed, now that we finally have a designer we should use it :D ...

 16:29 <popey> dpm: imagine you wanted to ship mutt or irssi in the store

 16:29 <popey> think of standalone terminal as a re-usable component

 16:29 <popey> terminal standalone + mutt binary -> click package

 16:29 <popey> user launches it, gets mutt (or whatever) and then when they exit, it drops out of the app, no shell

 16:29 <popey> would be a stripped down terminal, no tabs for example, limited settings (font, colours etc)

 16:30 <dpm> oh, I see

 16:30 <dpm> has someone stepped up who wants to implement it?

 16:30 <popey> I'd something we've thrown around for a while

 16:30 <popey> not quite, niklas expressed an interest :)

 16:31 <popey> we discussed over email over the last few days

 16:31 <dpm> ok ok

 16:32 <popey> Other than that, I had nothing else.

 16:33 <dpm> any convergence-specific bugs/features? Otherwise I might have indeed a shameless plug ;)

 16:33 <popey> go for it

 16:33 <dpm> ok,

 16:33 <dpm> On https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bugs?field.tag=convergence

 16:34 <dpm> what's the status on the first one on the list, it seems we're nearly done?

 16:34 * popey top approves https://code.launchpad.net/~nikwen/ubuntu-terminal-app/keyboard-shortcuts/+merge/261787

 16:34 <dpm> \o/

 16:35 <popey> that was easy

 16:35 <popey> next

 16:35 <dpm> lol

 16:35 <dpm> I think my only gripe right now with using Terminal on the desktop is the 3rd bug on the list

 16:36 <dpm> which means I have to resize it every time it's launched

 16:36 <dpm> I'm not sure how complex it will be to calculate the width according to 80 lines x font size

 16:36 <swordfish> Yeah, dpm that should be easy to fix.

 16:37 <swordfish> It's not hard since we already export the size of each character

 16:37 <dpm> ah, cool

 16:37 <swordfish> We should just compute the size and make sure it complies with the screen-size etc...

 16:38 <dpm> swordfish, do you have any additional pointers we could add as comments for someone to pick up the bug?

 16:40 <swordfish> Ok. I'll check it in the next two days. If I have time I'll fix it otherwise, I'll just write there something to ease the fix.

 16:40 <dpm> awesome

 16:41 <dpm> then the final one: I'm not sure how far-fetched it would be to integrate cool-retro-term effects to make it more attractive to desktop users

 16:41 <popey> haha, that old nutshell

 16:41 <dpm> me personally I only miss transparency, but others will have other opinions and favourite effects :)

 16:42 <swordfish> Well. The easiest solution would be to pick the ones in the old ubuntu-terminal-app.

 16:42 <swordfish> (and maybe improve them)

 16:42 <swordfish> Picking directly the ones from CRT would be far more work

 16:43 <swordfish> (without considering that they would be much heavier in terms of resources)

 16:43 <swordfish> I believe the old version were a good tradeoff between aesthetics and speed...

 16:44 <dpm> I was going to say: I think if they could only be chooseable on a desktop setting, it would be ok if they're heavier. But then again, a desktop setting might be your phone connected to a monitor :)

 16:44 <dpm> so probably the tradeoff is the way to go

 16:45 <popey> with a phone in desktop mode you'll be plugged into power

 16:45 <popey> so battery eating is less of an issue

 16:45 <dpm> good point too

 16:45 <popey> and gpu accelerated I believe?

 16:46 <popey> On another note, I'm on vacation next week. dpm will you be around at this time?

 16:47 <dpm> popey, I've got a call at this time, but I'm sure we can find out someone else in the team. We should probably figure out tomorrow morning and arrange it then

 16:47 <popey> k

 16:47 <dpm> (for all core apps meetings)

 16:49 <popey> Anything else?

 16:49 <dpm> not from me, convergence ftw ;)

 16:50 <popey> haha

 16:50 <swordfish> Ok. Just let me know the final verdict. Another problem is temperature (with crt effects), the phone tends to run quite hot..

 16:50 <popey> So only enable it in Norway and Finland?

 16:50 <dpm> oh, that's not an issue, the MX4 runs quite hot by itself! ;)

 16:50 <dpm> j/k

 16:50 <popey> That's not a bug, that's a feature!

 16:50 <dpm> :)

 16:50 <swordfish> ahaha. WONTFIX is the right answer! :D

 16:51 <popey> :)

 16:51 <popey> Apply water to burned area.

 16:51 <dpm> that's the spirit

 16:51 <popey> etc

 16:51 <popey> RIght, thanks chaps.

 16:51 <popey> #endmeeting



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