== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Dekko, 18 Jun at 12:00 — 12:49 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2015/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2015-06-18-12.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview 
''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xDSZ_dnAMAlhgFnnyjJEibaITXjVLp1_pnj_tATNm9I/edit?usp=sharing 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (31)
 * DanChapman (28)
 * JMulholland (27)
 * faenil (10)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 12:00 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko

 12:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 12:00:26 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 12:00 <popey> Hello!

 12:00 * popey pings DanChapman

 12:01 <DanChapman> Good afternoon :-)

 12:01 <popey> Hey!

 12:01 <popey> JMulholland: Welcome back :)

 12:01 <JMulholland> thanks popey :)

 12:01 <DanChapman> yes welcome back :-)

 12:01 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman :)

 12:01 <JMulholland> getting up to speed again here

 12:01 <JMulholland> how have you been?

 12:02 <DanChapman> I've been good thanks, busy as usual :-)

 12:02 <JMulholland> glad to hear it

 12:03 <popey> what do we have to discuss today?

 12:04 <DanChapman> So.... i can't get my head around this new GU layout

 12:05 <DanChapman> it seems to me that if screen size is less than 90 gu then it is always the portrait view. anything larger then it's the landscape multi-column view

 12:05 <popey> well, larger _and_ orientation is different?

 12:05 <popey> i.e. wider than it is high?

 12:06 <JMulholland> Just seeing if I can get a hold of pierre (the prototyper who’s done much of the recent work on GU)

 12:06 <DanChapman> in my head width regardless of orientation.

 12:07 <DanChapman> so the width determines the layout

 12:07 <JMulholland> DanChapman that’s my understanding too

 12:08 <JMulholland> vertical isn’t factored in, single/multi panel use is driven by horizontal width

 12:08 <JMulholland> (seems pierre is out grabbing lunch)

 12:08 <DanChapman> right, cool. :-)

 12:11 <DanChapman> popey: how would you say these convergence changes should be introduced. In a seperate branch as it will dep on uitk 1.3 but dekko has only just moved to 1.2

 12:11 <popey> I'd say we get it in ASAP

 12:11 <popey> I wouldn't make it a separate reboot branch but seek to get it integrated as soon as possible

 12:12 <popey> The problem is the dependency on 1.3

 12:12 <DanChapman> Or is it a case of custom components again until uitk ones are available

 12:12 <popey> Do you not think it's a significant amount of work to maintain two branches?

 12:13 <DanChapman> yeah i want to avoid it if I can, but I don't want to end up blocking updates again, like I had to the last 6 weeks waiting for vivid.

 12:14 <popey> right

 12:15 <popey> uitk 1.3 is some way off I believe

 12:15 * faenil reads backlog

 12:16 <DanChapman> hey faenil

 12:16 <faenil> yo

 12:17 <JMulholland> hihi

 12:17 <faenil> this is the component that it's going to be used for multipanel stuff (WARNING: header/bottom edge stuff still missing)

 12:17 <faenil> https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview

 12:18 <faenil> the component itself is wip, but zsombor is on holiday for 3 weeks, so we'll have to fix it ourself if we find bugs or missing features

 12:18 <faenil> but if you want to have a look at what you're going to use in the future, that's the branch to look at for the multipanel stuff

 12:18 <JMulholland> nice, thanks faenil :D

 12:19 <faenil> :)

 12:20 <faenil> the integration of a split header (each panel will have its own header, design wise) is wip, and not in that branch

 12:20 <DanChapman> thanks that helps.

 12:23 <DanChapman> JMulholland: is your current UX spec planned to be drastically changed at all. Or can i make a start on getting some of the ground work in for these changes

 12:24 <JMulholland> DanChapman the only substantial item ive been asked to work in is around introducing a 3-panel layout, with a left aligned panel to show our nav-menu (account switching, etc)

 12:24 <JMulholland> will sketch it up ASAP

 12:24 <JMulholland> that 3 panel layout would potentialy be for ‘extra wide’ displays

 12:25 <faenil> or just desktop :P

 12:25 <JMulholland> the most obvious extra wide display I suppose ;-D

 12:25 <faenil> :)

 12:26 <DanChapman> ok then sounds great. It needs the 3rd panel IMO

 12:26 <DanChapman> I should also have a set of use-cases for you by next meeting for in-line replies in the message view and viewing in general. There is quite a few edgecases with it we need to go over

 12:27 <popey> feel free to send them over if you have them before the next meeting so we could discuss during the meeting DanChapman

 12:27 <JMulholland> I agree, for e.g. 1 panel for mobile, 2 panel for tablets in landscape, 3 panels for desktop etc

 12:27 <JMulholland> Sounds good popey & DanChapman :)

 12:27 <DanChapman> popey: will do :-)

 12:29 <DanChapman> Is there any UX patterns for non interactive in app notification? For instance when dekko loses an imap connection it currently prompts a dialog which requires user input to close it. Which is rather annoying imo

 12:30 <popey> DanChapman: stefano did something like android 'toast' notification popups in docviewer

 12:30 <DanChapman> I see docviewer has a little toast notification bar along the bottom for imports

 12:30 <popey> when you import a document

 12:30 <JMulholland> Yes, I believe so

 12:30 <DanChapman> :)

 12:30 <popey> hah :)

 12:31 <JMulholland> we have them already as far as i know, obv. example being adjust volume on the phone

 12:31 <JMulholland> here’s a link to the notifications UX spec Paty rfom the design team put together

 12:31 <JMulholland> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xDSZ_dnAMAlhgFnnyjJEibaITXjVLp1_pnj_tATNm9I/edit?usp=sharing

 12:33 <JMulholland> “Confirmation bubbles”

 12:33 <DanChapman> Is there an exposed API for apps to use that?

 12:34 <popey> That was the issue stefano had, he couldn't trigger them from the app.

 12:34 <JMulholland> Ah…

 12:35 <DanChapman> Ah ok, well It's easy enough to fake that confirmation bubble. That will at least keep it consistent with the system

 12:36 <popey> might be worth re-using the stuff stefano made tbh

 12:37 <popey> ?

 12:37 <DanChapman> :-) that works for me as well

 12:39 <popey> just thinking we don't want people to get confused by what's a system notification and an app one

 12:41 <popey> Ok, anything else to discuss?

 12:41 <DanChapman> Nope not for me.

 12:43 <JMulholland> nothing here, was just refreshing myself on the notifications spec

 12:43 <JMulholland> I think we’ve been talking about non-modal app-sepcific notifications so what we discussed should be fine/ avoid the confussion popey mentioned

 12:43 <JMulholland> will take a more thorough look

 12:44 <popey> Thanks JMulholland

 12:44 <DanChapman> great, thanks :-)

 12:44 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman! I hear you put a video together on your progress with dekko? would love to see it if you’d like to ping it over :D

 12:44 <popey> DanChapman: actually, do you have a thought on what you'll do about 1.3 and convergence?

 12:44 <popey> hold off updates?

 12:45 <popey> Given we're talking some months between now and the converged device. (no firm date, but it's not in the next 3 months or so)

 12:45 <DanChapman> JMulholland: sure i'll find the link and send it your way :-)

 12:47 <DanChapman> popey: first I will see if qt/qml versioning will help somehow if not then It will probably have to be custom stuff and try and copy the uitk 1.3 apis to make the switch over easier

 12:47 <popey> okay. Lets review that periodically.

 12:47 <DanChapman> definately :-)

 12:49 <popey> Ok, lets wrap.

 12:49 <popey> thanks guys

 12:49 <popey> #endmeeting



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