12:00 <popey> #startmeeting Dekko
12:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 12:00:26 2015 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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12:00 <popey> Hello!
12:00 * popey pings DanChapman
12:01 <DanChapman> Good afternoon :-)
12:01 <popey> Hey!
12:01 <popey> JMulholland: Welcome back :)
12:01 <JMulholland> thanks popey :)
12:01 <DanChapman> yes welcome back :-)
12:01 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman :)
12:01 <JMulholland> getting up to speed again here
12:01 <JMulholland> how have you been?
12:02 <DanChapman> I've been good thanks, busy as usual :-)
12:02 <JMulholland> glad to hear it
12:03 <popey> what do we have to discuss today?
12:04 <DanChapman> So.... i can't get my head around this new GU layout
12:05 <DanChapman> it seems to me that if screen size is less than 90 gu then it is always the portrait view. anything larger then it's the landscape multi-column view
12:05 <popey> well, larger _and_ orientation is different?
12:05 <popey> i.e. wider than it is high?
12:06 <JMulholland> Just seeing if I can get a hold of pierre (the prototyper who’s done much of the recent work on GU)
12:06 <DanChapman> in my head width regardless of orientation.
12:07 <DanChapman> so the width determines the layout
12:07 <JMulholland> DanChapman that’s my understanding too
12:08 <JMulholland> vertical isn’t factored in, single/multi panel use is driven by horizontal width
12:08 <JMulholland> (seems pierre is out grabbing lunch)
12:08 <DanChapman> right, cool. :-)
12:11 <DanChapman> popey: how would you say these convergence changes should be introduced. In a seperate branch as it will dep on uitk 1.3 but dekko has only just moved to 1.2
12:11 <popey> I'd say we get it in ASAP
12:11 <popey> I wouldn't make it a separate reboot branch but seek to get it integrated as soon as possible
12:12 <popey> The problem is the dependency on 1.3
12:12 <DanChapman> Or is it a case of custom components again until uitk ones are available
12:12 <popey> Do you not think it's a significant amount of work to maintain two branches?
12:13 <DanChapman> yeah i want to avoid it if I can, but I don't want to end up blocking updates again, like I had to the last 6 weeks waiting for vivid.
12:14 <popey> right
12:15 <popey> uitk 1.3 is some way off I believe
12:15 * faenil reads backlog
12:16 <DanChapman> hey faenil
12:16 <faenil> yo
12:17 <JMulholland> hihi
12:17 <faenil> this is the component that it's going to be used for multipanel stuff (WARNING: header/bottom edge stuff still missing)
12:17 <faenil> https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview
12:18 <faenil> the component itself is wip, but zsombor is on holiday for 3 weeks, so we'll have to fix it ourself if we find bugs or missing features
12:18 <faenil> but if you want to have a look at what you're going to use in the future, that's the branch to look at for the multipanel stuff
12:18 <JMulholland> nice, thanks faenil :D
12:19 <faenil> :)
12:20 <faenil> the integration of a split header (each panel will have its own header, design wise) is wip, and not in that branch
12:20 <DanChapman> thanks that helps.
12:23 <DanChapman> JMulholland: is your current UX spec planned to be drastically changed at all. Or can i make a start on getting some of the ground work in for these changes
12:24 <JMulholland> DanChapman the only substantial item ive been asked to work in is around introducing a 3-panel layout, with a left aligned panel to show our nav-menu (account switching, etc)
12:24 <JMulholland> will sketch it up ASAP
12:24 <JMulholland> that 3 panel layout would potentialy be for ‘extra wide’ displays
12:25 <faenil> or just desktop :P
12:25 <JMulholland> the most obvious extra wide display I suppose ;-D
12:25 <faenil> :)
12:26 <DanChapman> ok then sounds great. It needs the 3rd panel IMO
12:26 <DanChapman> I should also have a set of use-cases for you by next meeting for in-line replies in the message view and viewing in general. There is quite a few edgecases with it we need to go over
12:27 <popey> feel free to send them over if you have them before the next meeting so we could discuss during the meeting DanChapman
12:27 <JMulholland> I agree, for e.g. 1 panel for mobile, 2 panel for tablets in landscape, 3 panels for desktop etc
12:27 <JMulholland> Sounds good popey & DanChapman :)
12:27 <DanChapman> popey: will do :-)
12:29 <DanChapman> Is there any UX patterns for non interactive in app notification? For instance when dekko loses an imap connection it currently prompts a dialog which requires user input to close it. Which is rather annoying imo
12:30 <popey> DanChapman: stefano did something like android 'toast' notification popups in docviewer
12:30 <DanChapman> I see docviewer has a little toast notification bar along the bottom for imports
12:30 <popey> when you import a document
12:30 <JMulholland> Yes, I believe so
12:30 <DanChapman> :)
12:30 <popey> hah :)
12:31 <JMulholland> we have them already as far as i know, obv. example being adjust volume on the phone
12:31 <JMulholland> here’s a link to the notifications UX spec Paty rfom the design team put together
12:31 <JMulholland> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xDSZ_dnAMAlhgFnnyjJEibaITXjVLp1_pnj_tATNm9I/edit?usp=sharing
12:33 <JMulholland> “Confirmation bubbles”
12:33 <DanChapman> Is there an exposed API for apps to use that?
12:34 <popey> That was the issue stefano had, he couldn't trigger them from the app.
12:34 <JMulholland> Ah…
12:35 <DanChapman> Ah ok, well It's easy enough to fake that confirmation bubble. That will at least keep it consistent with the system
12:36 <popey> might be worth re-using the stuff stefano made tbh
12:37 <popey> ?
12:37 <DanChapman> :-) that works for me as well
12:39 <popey> just thinking we don't want people to get confused by what's a system notification and an app one
12:41 <popey> Ok, anything else to discuss?
12:41 <DanChapman> Nope not for me.
12:43 <JMulholland> nothing here, was just refreshing myself on the notifications spec
12:43 <JMulholland> I think we’ve been talking about non-modal app-sepcific notifications so what we discussed should be fine/ avoid the confussion popey mentioned
12:43 <JMulholland> will take a more thorough look
12:44 <popey> Thanks JMulholland
12:44 <DanChapman> great, thanks :-)
12:44 <JMulholland> thanks DanChapman! I hear you put a video together on your progress with dekko? would love to see it if you’d like to ping it over :D
12:44 <popey> DanChapman: actually, do you have a thought on what you'll do about 1.3 and convergence?
12:44 <popey> hold off updates?
12:45 <popey> Given we're talking some months between now and the converged device. (no firm date, but it's not in the next 3 months or so)
12:45 <DanChapman> JMulholland: sure i'll find the link and send it your way :-)
12:47 <DanChapman> popey: first I will see if qt/qml versioning will help somehow if not then It will probably have to be custom stuff and try and copy the uitk 1.3 apis to make the switch over easier
12:47 <popey> okay. Lets review that periodically.
12:47 <DanChapman> definately :-)
12:49 <popey> Ok, lets wrap.
12:49 <popey> thanks guys
12:49 <popey> #endmeeting