12:00 #startmeeting Trojita meeting 12:00 Meeting started Thu Oct 9 12:00:26 2014 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 12:00 12:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 12:00 jkt: boren DanChapman hello! ☻ 12:01 Hello, popey 12:02 hey guys, sorry on the phone be with you all in a few minutes 12:02 kk 12:03 A few mails have bounced around the last week or so, and I wanted to make sure we're all on the same page as it were. 12:03 in summary:- 12:03 (shout if I get anything wrong) 12:03 jkt was asking if there will be any more upstream contributions from the team to Trojita as there hadn't been any for some considerable time. 12:03 hi there 12:04 hey jkt 12:04 Dan explained that as far as he is concerned Dekko should be considered a full fork of Trojita which he was spending his (limited) time on. 12:05 However that he'd certainly like to push common components back upstream to Trojita where appropriate. 12:05 (I think we talked about google oath support being a particular example of that which might be useful to upstream) 12:06 Dan explain that he wants to create something tightly integrated into Ubuntu. 12:07 and that he probably wouldn't have time to make everything work on all UI options (e.g. desktop trojita) 12:07 Is that about right? 12:08 I have the same basic impression, right 12:09 what I do not get is how is the proposed situation ("common stuff pushed back to trojita") different to how we were operating in the beginning 12:10 I also haven't seen any attempt at pushing these bits for months (with a single exception as boren did contribute one change recently) 12:10 so the thing is, I alreay put quite some time into this. I'm OK with "you guys" doing whatever you want to do, but pretty please, tell me upfront what I can expect you to do. 12:10 Would that be because the stuff being created isn't actually going to be useful upstream as it's mostly Ubuntu UI component related? 12:11 can you already send e-mail through dekko? 12:12 Yes. 12:12 then there are common parts which have not been submitted to trojita 12:13 But are these those parts that DanChapman explained he was having difficulty porting and keeping working in upstream trojita? 12:14 the way I see it, there are two options here: 1) copy stuff from trojita-qwidget, adapt that copy, use that adapted copy in qml version 12:14 I of course dislike this because it results in dupliucated code and waste of my time 12:15 2) take what is in qwidget version, design a nice api which is suitable for qml, use that from qml *and* adapt the qwidget code to use it 12:15 and yes, 2) is more work for the ubuntu-touch people, indeed 12:17 what I'm saying here is that "pushing stuff upstream" indeed does require a substantial amount of work done by "you" on the qwidget side of things 12:17 my question is whether you are willing to do any of that 12:18 I don't know, that's a question for DanChapman / boren ... 12:19 right sorry about that... just catching up. 12:25 jkt: Sorry, I think what I want for now is a fully functioning dekko by the start of real Ubuntu phone release and there are several features missing. I would really like to contribute to Trojita when I have enough time, not in the following two months. 12:26 Time is certainly a pressure. 12:28 Ok so what i had in my mind regarding "pushing stuff upstream" was maybe not UI but things but as an example say I wanted to implement support for a new IMAP extension then that is something I would make the effort to do upstream under your guidance so these things are implemented "right" and benefit would be gained by all of us. As per my email i havn't got the time available to commit to option 2 and i agree it would take alot of 12:28 work for it to be done right. 12:29 I do not consider doing e.g. something like ImapAccess but for (E)SMTP encapsulation to be the UI work 12:30 DanChapman: so the way I see it, you do not have any definitive plans right now, but the situation is more like "if I ever find a bug in the IMAP code, I'll be happy to send a patch" 12:30 is that right? 12:32 jkt: yes short term that most probably is the case. I can't say for anything more than that right now. 12:32 OK 12:32 the src/Ubuntu is pretty mouch outdated right now, is that correct? 12:33 I'm asking because I suspect there's no value in keeping that, or the cmake integration, or the bugzilla component, in place 12:34 jkt yes, that's outdated (although should still work) 12:34 do you see any problem with me removing these? 12:36 jkt, i see no problem. 12:40 Ok. 12:40 So is there anything else which needs discussion? 12:41 popey: you might want to adjust the calendar schedule, I keep getting meeting notifications from google 12:41 oh? 12:42 Do you want me to remove you from the meeting? 12:42 not sure who set it up, but there's a google calendar which sends out meeting invitations weekly 12:42 yes please 12:42 ok. 12:42 yeah, I set it up 12:42 That's standard google thing, sending reminders. 12:42 I think that's them being "helpful" 12:43 Ok. Anything else? DanChapman boren ? 12:43 No from here 12:44 No i'm good for now 12:44 DanChapman: do you have editbugs permission on bugs.kde.org? If so, do you still need them now? 12:44 jkt yes i do, they can be removed 12:45 ok 12:45 DanChapman: but you didn't have git push access or a full dev account, right? 12:46 jkt yes that correct i only had access to bugs.kde.org 12:46 ok, thanks 12:49 Ok. Thanks guys. 12:49 see ya! 12:49 #endmeeting