12:00 <popey> #startmeeting Music app meeting
12:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  6 12:00:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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12:01 <popey> So yes, we need a click built - or more than one...
12:01 <ahayzen> yep
12:01 <popey> we can have a readme which explains what each is and what to expect.
12:01 <popey> I am happy to build them.
12:01 <ahayzen> ok cool
12:01 <popey> which two branches do you want building?
12:02 <ahayzen> lp:music-app/remix
12:02 <ahayzen> lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/remix-add-card-view
12:03 <popey> Ok, will build and upload in a little while
12:03 <ahayzen> cool thanks
12:03 <ahayzen> so we're waiting on design on a few things...
12:04 <ahayzen> basically this work item "[jounihelminen] Songs, Artists and Queue view page in list format: INPROGRESS"
12:04 * popey pings jouni
12:04 <ahayzen> we also have some further questions...
12:04 <ahayzen> * Multiple cover art 2x2, 2x1, 1x1 ?
12:04 <ahayzen> * Playlist selector (when adding to playlist), should it be a grid/list?
12:04 <ahayzen> * Design input on dialogues
12:05 <popey> he doesn't seem to be about right now.
12:06 <ahayzen> popey, work item wise we are pretty much done on wk40 (other than cardview) and we've already started things in wk41
12:06 <popey> We should ping him a mail with this list, and if there's any work items resulting they should be added to the blueprint
12:06 <ahayzen> yep agreed
12:06 <popey> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/music-app/+spec/music-remix-2.0
12:07 <popey> can you join me in http://pad.ubuntu.com/MusicAppReadMe ?
12:07 <ahayzen> victor put some screenshots of the app into the presentation as well https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1L3eGhOe-0eEmKtUurthpUEaweFradSFb3t6W-KiIZMU/edit#slide=id.g486d6e89e_034
12:08 <ahayzen> popey, so are we just listen what we expect to work? or what is different or?
12:08 <popey> I can't parse that sentence.
12:09 <ahayzen> haha oh god i haven't woken up..
12:09 <popey> hah
12:09 <ahayzen> popey, are we just listing what are expecting to work in the remix? or the differences to trunk or?
12:09 <popey> just a brief "this is what's changed, this is what's known to work/not work
12:09 <ahayzen> vthompson, o/
12:09 <popey> hi vthompson
12:09 <ahayzen> cool
12:10 <ahayzen> vthompson, we're just working on this http://pad.ubuntu.com/MusicAppReadMe
12:10 <vthompson> Hey guys
12:10 <ahayzen> popey, so u have "music app click" and "card view" for the two separate clicks right?
12:10 <ahayzen> popey, then we list under each?
12:10 <popey> I will do yes
12:10 <ahayzen> cool
12:11 <popey> will re-word it though
12:11 <popey> one other thing I wanted to mention. It's been noticed that the artwork differs between the music scope and the music app
12:11 <ahayzen> popey, u may need to clear ur .cache/media-art
12:11 <ahayzen> popey, but we warned lots of ur art disappears
12:12 <ahayzen> popey, so backup lol
12:12 <vthompson> And it may differ in some views that might not use the embedded art
12:12 <ahayzen> popey, basically it is using the old cover art from last.fm if u still have them locally
12:12 <ahayzen> popey, and what victor said .. we support embedded art
12:12 <popey> the scope uses artwork from online.. always, right?
12:12 <vthompson> Also, people may think that due to the Scope using Artist art in some of the views
12:12 <popey> yes.
12:13 <popey> We should fix this somehow, it's kinda confusing.
12:13 <ahayzen> popey, embedded then online
12:13 <ahayzen> popey, and soon hopefully... embedded... art in same folder... online (in that order)
12:14 <ahayzen> popey, oh the scope yeah i don't know what they do
12:15 <popey> its always online i think.
12:15 <ahayzen> vthompson, if they are just listening to model.art like we do from ms2 ? then surely it would be the same?
12:15 <vthompson> ahayzen, I would assume so
12:16 <ahayzen> vthompson, is there anything else i've forgotten? http://pad.ubuntu.com/MusicAppReadMe
12:17 <vthompson> It seems like the scope doesn't actually use the embedded
12:17 <ahayzen> ok maybe we should poke some scope guys and have a chat with them
12:18 <popey> I think we should file a bug and get both parts to be consistent.
12:18 <ahayzen> yep
12:19 <vthompson> Hm, or maybe I'm wrong. Seems some cover art has changed on me. Maybe a cached copy disappeared. They seem consistent now, as far as I can tell
12:19 <popey> let me remove my art and test
12:20 <ahayzen> yeah tbh mine look consistent
12:21 <vthompson> And I also know that both seem to pull from the file itself
12:22 * ahayzen wants this to land so all of his music has cover art :) https://code.launchpad.net/~jpakkane/thumbnailer/standalone-albumart/+merge/235637
12:22 <popey> nope, mine are inconsistent
12:22 * popey screenshots
12:22 <ahayzen> did u try turning it off and on again?
12:23 <popey> yes
12:23 <popey> :þ
12:23 <ahayzen> hah
12:23 <popey> http://imgur.com/GqtRI5a,yKR0hof
12:24 <popey> http://imgur.com/cL3E0Ni
12:24 <ahayzen> popey, what am i comparing they are both the scope?
12:24 <popey> note daft punk at the top in the scope shows one artwork, the albums and tracks below (coming from music app) are the right one for that album
12:24 <vthompson> popey, yea, I'm not following
12:25 <ahayzen> popey, no the artists use a different source to albums
12:25 <popey> right, and that's what is confusing
12:25 <ahayzen> popey, that is because artists can have multiple albums
12:25 <ahayzen> other apps/platforms do the same
12:26 <popey> right, but I only have one album from each artist on my device
12:26 <popey> hence the confusion
12:26 <ahayzen> popey, because which cover art from which album should it choose for "daft punk"
12:26 <ahayzen> popey, but u can have online sources as well on the scopes
12:26 <ahayzen> popey, in summary that is not us
12:26 <jounih> hey
12:26 <ahayzen> jounih, o/
12:27 <jounih> hey
12:27 <vthompson> right, and it's also expected in the scope
12:27 <vthompson> hey!
12:27 <ahayzen> yep
12:27 <popey> It may be expected, but it's still confusing ☻
12:27 <jounih> sorry missed the beginning
12:27 <popey> I'll file a bug.
12:27 <ahayzen> jounih, no worries
12:27 <popey> ahayzen: vthompson I'll file a bug
12:27 <ahayzen> popey, cool :)
12:27 <popey> I'll put both the scope and the music app on it though.
12:27 <popey> jounih: ahayzen had some requests for you..
12:28 <vthompson> popey, OK, maybe jounih has Artist tab designs that have us make use of the Artist art as well :)
12:28 <jounih> shoot
12:28 <popey> 13:04:06 < ahayzen> basically this work item "[jounihelminen] Songs, Artists and Queue view page in list format: INPROGRESS"
12:28 <popey> 13:04:35 < ahayzen> we also have some further questions...
12:28 <popey> 13:04:37 < ahayzen> * Multiple cover art 2x2, 2x1, 1x1 ?
12:28 <popey> 13:04:37 < ahayzen> * Playlist selector (when adding to playlist), should it be a grid/list?
12:28 <popey> 13:04:37 < ahayzen> * Design input on dialogues
12:28 <ahayzen> jounih, ^^ thanks popey :)
12:28 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep hehe :)
12:28 <jounih> ok, yep, should have songs, artists and queue views finished today
12:28 <vthompson> awesome!
12:28 <jounih> what’s multiple cover art? the grid in playlist?
12:29 <vthompson> precisely
12:29 <ahayzen> jounih, yeah
12:29 <ahayzen> jounih, we just wanted to check design on that
12:29 <vthompson> And potentially in the Artist tab, depending on what we should do there
12:29 <ahayzen> yep
12:29 <jounih> ok i think 4 covers in the space of one would do it, like in the design?
12:29 <ahayzen> ...which design?
12:29 <jounih> hold on
12:31 <ahayzen> vthompson, arg jenkins still failed aha
12:31 <vthompson> ahayzen, bummer.
12:31 <ahayzen> vthompson, closer though only 3 left
12:31 <jounih> ahayzen: ahh looks like I hadn’t uploaded the playlist design. uploaded now, in the same dropbox folder. here is a direct link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hwpmf9i8f8axysd/AABy8dttpsKu7fxB01jKEAQra?dl=0
12:31 <vthompson> ahayzen, not bad. Easier to debug just 1 at a time then
12:32 <ahayzen> jounih, ah cool thanks
12:32 <ahayzen> jounih, so if there were only 2 different cover arts would you still do 2x2? or 2x1 or?
12:33 <vthompson> jounih, thanks. ahayzen looks like we really will only need the 2x2 component to make that work as a drop in for what we have now
12:33 <jounih> playlist selector (when adding to playlist) - grid/list - maybe a grid would be ok, since you already have that view? Will need an action for “New playlist” at the header
12:33 <ahayzen> jounih, yeah we have a "+" in the header at the moment and swipe actions on tracks
12:33 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep do u want to do that?
12:34 <jounih> ahayzen: ahh good question. So if a playlist has less than 4 cover arts, what do we do? I would suggest just 1 cover art until we reach 4 maybe? 2x1 would look a bit weird i think
12:34 <vthompson> jounih, ahayzen, so for the playlist selector it might be better to have a list so the user doesn't have to scroll through a lot of data
12:34 <jounih> vthompson: you think you’d have more than 20 playlists?
12:34 <ahayzen> jounih, hmmm but then u have to have 4 different arts until it changes
12:34 <vthompson> jounih, ahayzen, what Gmail does for 3 person convos is have 1x2 icons
12:35 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah +1 to that
12:35 <vthompson> I can certainly see having around 10
12:35 <vthompson> Grid only shows 4, but I agree, it's not as much data
12:35 <jounih> i think the gridview is ok for 10? I dunno. I’m easy, either works
12:36 <vthompson> It's just the selector isn't there for you to gaze at your beautiful cover art... it's there just to select the proper name of a list
12:36 <ahayzen> yeah i would weigh towards a list
12:36 <jounih> ok i’m ok with 2x1 cover art too. would keep the size of those the same as when 4x1
12:36 <jounih> ok list is fine - maybe you can use the same list design as for the artists/queue listview - I’ll send later today
12:37 <vthompson> hm, maybe we aren't on the same page for 2x1 or 1x2. Really that means 1 on top (rectangle), and 2 on bottom (both squares)
12:37 <ahayzen> vthompson, maybe it is best if u take a screenshot of gmail?
12:37 <jounih> ahh you mean you’d crop the cover art?
12:37 <ahayzen> vthompson, as that is basically the same
12:38 <jounih> sounds like a reasonable suggestion, just go with it and we can see how it looks
12:38 <ahayzen> ok will do
12:38 <ahayzen> jounih, FYI the cardview is nearly working :) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3XynHVKfrvMNDBRUE5GWGZKTEE/edit
12:38 <jounih> what was the last question.. design input on dialogues?
12:39 <ahayzen> jounih, ok so at the moment we have popups ... eg "enter the name of playlist" ..."edit name of playlist" etc
12:39 <jounih> ahayzen: nice! looking pretty sweet. now we just need to get to the bottom of that resolution issue
12:39 <ahayzen> yep
12:39 <jounih> ahayzen: ok so you’ll need design for those as well - ok will add to my todo
12:39 <ahayzen> jounih, yep we just wanted to check it was on your radar
12:40 <jounih> can you send screenshots of your current dialogs and I can use them as a base
12:40 <ahayzen> jounih, we are hopefully gonna push out a click package in a bit that u can play with
12:40 <ahayzen> jounih, but i can screenshot as well if needed
12:40 <vthompson> jounih, ahayzen, looks like gmail is 1 on the left and 2 on the right: http://i.imgur.com/1Gxseez.png
12:40 <jounih> that sounds great! should get a feel for the transitions and responsiveness with the click package too
12:41 <ahayzen> jounih, yep just note that half the stuff is legacy half is new... we are making a list of what we expect to be working
12:41 <jounih> vthompson: ok I see what you mean. Yeah you’ll end up cropping the cover art in half, but I guess that’s ok. I don’t mind if its cropped horiz or vertically
12:41 <jounih> ahayzen: zure
12:41 <popey> ahayzen: click package uploaded
12:41 <ahayzen> popey, \o/ thanks
12:42 <jounih> popey: how do i install the click mate?
12:42 <ahayzen> jounih, instructions are on the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/music-app/+spec/music-remix-2.0
12:42 <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/music_remix/readme.txt
12:42 <ahayzen> and that
12:42 <jounih> okey
12:42 <jounih> will give a shot now
12:43 <ahayzen> jounih, just note that the second click (the cardview one) may not be totally insync with trunk so treat the cardview one as a demo of just the cards
12:43 <jounih> ok
12:44 <jounih> i know its just the first iteration, will be gentle with feedback :)
12:44 <vthompson> jounih, also in the spec the last slide has a view that won't be in the click (Songs tab), but it sounds like you'll make a formal design today
12:44 <jounih> ok - yep will get that over to you guys today
12:44 <ahayzen> vthompson, shame i couldn't get lp:~andrew-hayzen/music-app/remix-remove-legacy-toolbar passing in time as that has the switch to the full view as default
12:45 <jounih> ahh new image today… will install that first
12:45 <popey> ahayzen: we can build another click in a couple of days.
12:45 <popey> release early, release often
12:45 <ahayzen> popey, \o/
12:45 <jounih> nice :)
12:45 <ahayzen> yep that sounds familiar
12:46 <vthompson> Release when popey or balloons decides to upload to the store :)
12:46 <popey> lolz
12:46 <ahayzen> :)
12:46 <ahayzen> reminds me i need to talk to balloons about CI..
12:46 <popey> Ok, anything else? is the blueprint up to date now? Anything need adding as tasks for jounih for example based on the above?
12:47 <vthompson> popey, I don't believe so. But we'll need implementation tasks once we have additional designs.
12:47 <ahayzen> yep
12:47 <vthompson> Matter of fact, we can add a task for us to do the 2x2 cover art
12:47 <jounih> i need to provide feedback/designs for dialogues
12:48 <jounih> dialogs
12:48 <ahayzen> dialogues .. ur in the UK ;)
12:48 <vthompson> ha
12:48 <jounih> haha
12:49 <popey> "ur"
12:49 <vthompson> "UK"
12:49 <ahayzen> also near "landan"
12:49 <popey> Ok. Anything else?
12:49 <ahayzen> not from me
12:50 <popey> Ok, lets wrap then. Thanks chaps.
12:50 <ahayzen> thanks popey :)
12:50 <popey> np
12:50 <popey> #endmeeting