17:09 <popey> #startmeeting clock app meeting
17:09 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 24 17:09:53 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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17:10 <popey> Clock App links:-
17:10 <popey> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bugs
17:10 <popey> Reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+activereviews
17:10 <popey> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/coreapps-1404-clock-dev
17:10 <popey> General Links:-
17:10 <popey> Milestones: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+milestones
17:10 <popey> Burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-14.04/
17:10 <popey> Blockers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers
17:10 <popey> how are you nik90 ?
17:10 <nik90> good..busy with the showdown
17:10 <nik90> and yourself?
17:11 <popey> Great! Now the release has passed, we have lots to do! :D
17:11 <nik90> yeah :)
17:11 <nik90> just waiting on the U-archive to open up
17:12 <popey> Yeah, should be monday/tuesday
17:12 <nik90> What a code name Utopic Unicorn
17:12 <popey> heh, yeah ☻
17:12 <popey> with a test image from ogra early that week assuming cjwatson can get a server image built
17:12 <nik90> ok..I created some new milestones for this cycle
17:12 <popey> awesome.
17:12 <nik90> I still need to sit down and plan what needs to be done when
17:13 <nik90> do we have a new blueprint?
17:13 <popey> Right, on that subject..
17:13 <nik90> for this cycle?
17:13 <popey> Not yet.
17:13 <popey> We are going to have a slightly different release cycle this time
17:13 <nik90> oh
17:13 <popey> because we'll be focussed mostly on the phone manufacturer release to manufacturer date
17:13 <popey> rather than the 12.10 traditional release date
17:13 <popey> as they are not the same.
17:13 <popey> uh, 14.10
17:13 <nik90> ah ...makes sense.
17:14 <popey> I don't actually have a final date though.
17:14 <nik90> When is the expected phone manufacture release dates that we need to target
17:14 <popey> Which makes working backwards somewhat tricky
17:14 <nik90> do we have atleast a month decided?
17:14 <popey> However I think we need to be aiming to be _done_ by ~July.
17:14 <popey> So it's a short cycle.
17:15 <nik90> wow that's 3 months give or take
17:15 <popey> Yup.
17:15 <popey> The good news is most of the apps are "done"
17:15 <popey> (for some value of "done")
17:15 <nik90> true
17:15 <popey> I'm also trying to get a definitive list of what the expectations are for that build
17:16 <popey> whether we expect a world clock for example
17:16 <popey> or whether we expect a full redesign or something
17:16 <nik90> we need to nail the alarms first asap
17:16 <popey> +1
17:16 <popey> that should be where all the attention goes right now
17:17 <popey> making sure alarms work, the times are right, timezones and daylight savings, and year rollovers are all taken into account
17:17 <nik90> I will create a milestone which has all the alarm bugs we know up to date and then start fixing them one by one
17:17 <popey> Great!
17:17 <popey> We may need to do some edge case testing
17:17 <nik90> you were referring to the timezones and daylight savings of the alarms and not the world clock right?
17:17 <popey> forcibly setting the date to strange values on device to test edge cases
17:17 <popey> correct
17:18 <nik90> because for the world clock that would be more work than I can expect to get done in 3 months. Plus I need some help from the SDK devs for that
17:18 <popey> We don't want to have an article like this www.tuaw.com/2014/03/08/daylight-saving-public-service-announcement-dont-count-on-your/
17:18 <popey> world clock was just me throwing things out that I dont know ☻
17:18 <popey> consider it an unknown unknown
17:18 <nik90> +1 to the article :)
17:19 <popey> I want us to be confident that alarms will trigger when users expect them to
17:19 <nik90> yes
17:19 <popey> So I think we need a test plan for all those strange cases
17:20 <popey> for example testing by people in different timezones, alarms set for weekdays, weekends, alarms set on the day after daylight savings
17:20 <popey> some will be hard to test, but we need to figure a way. could be a good discussion at Malta
17:20 <nik90> yeah. I think we need to first define all the edge cases. Only then we can test them and create AP tests for them
17:20 <popey> ya
17:20 <nik90> definitely
17:22 <popey> Any other things to consider?
17:22 <nik90> I will let you know when I get the milestone, wiki doc for the edge cases and other stuff ready. I guess I have some todo this weekend
17:22 <popey> Ok.
17:22 <nik90> btw phones are high priority at the moment for the cycle right? or do we still need to do some tablet designs
17:23 <nik90> I remember mark saying that tablets would land at the same time
17:23 <popey> Phone is #1
17:23 <nik90> ok
17:25 <nik90> that was it from my end
17:25 <popey> With U and the SDK changing under our feet, there's the possibility of things breaking now and then again.
17:25 <popey> So we need to be certain we have great tests
17:25 <nik90> oh yeah .. the tab bar changes
17:25 <popey> so we can be sure when something breaks the finger of blame can't come our way ☻
17:25 <popey> yeah
17:25 <nik90> luckily we use the toolkit emulators..so I know who to blame :P
17:25 <popey> hah
17:25 <nik90> luckily -> well planned efforts by elopio
17:26 <popey> Of course it's not about blaming people but making sure we don't hold up the train with unnecessary debugging
17:26 <popey> I expect a Qt5.3 tranition at some point too
17:26 <nik90> yeah..btw the alarm status bug we had last week was due to the EDS...I believe renato has a Mp for it.
17:27 <popey> Yeah. Brilliant.
17:27 <popey> I didn't have anything else. All set for Malta?
17:27 <nik90> I didnt get a reply. So I sent the email again to the travel agent
17:27 <popey> ooh, please do as a matter of urgency.
17:28 <nik90> if I don't hear by tomorrow, I will email Michelle
17:28 <popey> if you get no response, michelle can help
17:28 <popey> Wouldn't want us to miss out on having you there.
17:29 <nik90> yeah ..I will ensure this is done by next week
17:29 <popey> (or you to miss out on our delightful company ㋛
17:29 <popey> Ok, that's all from me.
17:29 <nik90> hehe
17:29 <nik90> me too
17:29 <popey> thanks as always nik90 ☻
17:29 <popey> take care.
17:30 <popey> #endmeeting