== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Community design team meeting, 18 Mar at 20:03 — 20:40 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2014/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2014-03-18-20.03.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' http://trojita.flaska.net/ 
''LINK:'' http://lucasromerodb.blogspot.com.ar/p/ucdk.html 



== Vote results ==




== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (55)
 * delsa (37)
 * michelr (19)
 * mhall119 (11)
 * snwh (9)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 20:03 <popey> #startmeeting Community design team meeting

 20:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 18 20:03:32 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 20:03 <meetingology> 

 20:03 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 20:03 <delsa> :)

 20:03 <delsa> hi snwh

 20:03 <popey> So first I wanted to say thanks for picking up that email UI  work so quickly!

 20:04 <popey> mhall119: you about?

 20:04 <delsa> thanks popey :)

 20:04 <popey> mhall119: do we have a document with the list of design work required for trojita?

 20:04 <delsa> I'll do my best... hope it's a good work

 20:04 <popey> looks good so far

 20:05 <delsa> thanks

 20:05 <popey> hi michelr

 20:05 <michelr> Hi popey !

 20:05 <delsa> hi michelr

 20:05 <michelr> hi delsa

 20:06 <michelr> have you already started ?

 20:06 <popey> only just

 20:07 <popey> delsa: I'll take an action to get some documentation for what we need from email

 20:07 <delsa> ok, cool popey

 20:07 <mhall119> popey: let me see

 20:09 <michelr> popey: have you read my feedback and thoughts about email client ?

 20:10 <popey> Yes ☻

 20:10 <snwh> does it need an icon? ;)

 20:10 <popey> heh yes

 20:10 <popey> Interesting point about office. We did want to make a document viewer (not editor) for the phone but we couldn't get a critical mass of developers.

 20:11 * delsa love the icon of snwh

 20:11 <mhall119> can everyone see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdE1rRmpyd0lWNE1zYXUwc01SNW4yVHc#gid=0

 20:11 <popey> as an aside, mhall119: on the subject of docviewer maybe we should approach caligra in the same way we have with trojita.

 20:12 <popey> michelr: we're currently building upon Trojita (as you guessed)

 20:12 <mhall119> popey: we'd need to evaluate it first, Trojita was a good candidate as much because of how it was built as because of upstream's happiness to work with us

 20:12 * snwh had never even heard of Trojita

 20:13 <mhall119> snwh: it's a light-weight IMAP client built on Qt

 20:13 <mhall119> http://trojita.flaska.net/

 20:13 <snwh> i see

 20:13 <mhall119> they had a clean separation between front-end code and back-end code, which is going to let us drop in an Ubuntu UI without re-writing a bunch of internals

 20:14 <delsa> ok

 20:15 <michelr> mhall119: yes, can read it : nice & serious list of specs

 20:16 <popey> However, that all said, the email client should be a lower priority than the other core apps right now. ☻

 20:16 <delsa> :)

 20:17 <popey> Have you guys looked at the new UCDK from Lucas?

 20:17 <popey> http://lucasromerodb.blogspot.com.ar/p/ucdk.html

 20:17 <delsa> popey: yes

 20:18 <michelr> Yes ! and it obliged me to dig into Inkscape tutos ;-)

 20:18 <michelr> But now I can draw lines with arrows with inkscape...!

 20:19 <popey> hah!

 20:19 <delsa> I'm working on detailed mockup

 20:19 <popey> Most of it can be achieved with copy and paste ☻

 20:20 <delsa> with conversation and mail/folder and account managing

 20:20 <delsa> :)

 20:21 <popey> Great. I'm sure mhall119 will be glad to see that

 20:21 <popey> mhall119: do you have a preference for where to put the designs?

 20:21 <delsa> hope to have something ready for tonight @24.00 (italy)

 20:22 <michelr> For email, what is the focus : std view or conversation ?

 20:22 <popey> mhall119: I would suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient/Design but it's not technically a core app.

 20:22 <popey> michelr: the conversation view seems to be popular at the moment

 20:22 <delsa> if I share on g+? can i?

 20:23 <popey> delsa: thats fine

 20:23 <delsa> ;)

 20:23 <popey> I just don't want us to "lose" them in G+

 20:23 <popey> can you link them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient ?

 20:23 <delsa> I think conversation it's more readable for all the user

 20:23 <popey> +1

 20:23 <delsa> popey: yes! of course

 20:23 <mhall119> popey: that wiki page it fine

 20:24 <popey> However I don't think we should shy away from new ways to look at mail

 20:24 <mhall119> it's not technically a core app, but the page was already there so might as well use it

 20:24 <mhall119> links from the wiki to a G+ post with the images would be okay too

 20:24 <popey> yeah

 20:24 <popey> I just don't want to lose them ☻

 20:24 <mhall119> +1

 20:24 <delsa> +1

 20:25 <delsa> I want to use the "SMS" conversation style...

 20:25 <delsa> with avatar on left for received mail and right for sended

 20:25 <popey> Interesting, I look forward to seeing that.

 20:26 <delsa> I think is more easy to use for the user

 20:26 <delsa> :)

 20:26 <popey> So, while email is fun and new (for us), what's also important is our other core apps of course.

 20:27 <delsa> yes

 20:27 <delsa> after mail I restart music

 20:27 <michelr> but don't forget that some people are not using SMS style emails

 20:27 <delsa> but everyone use whatsapp

 20:27 <delsa> or some IM

 20:27 <popey> I think the SMS style works well for people who have 1:1 email conversations

 20:27 <delsa> so use everydays that style

 20:28 <popey> less well for mailing lists or group-emails

 20:28 <delsa> +1 right

 20:28 <popey> So yeah, I look forward to seeing it.

 20:28 <delsa> ok :)

 20:28 <snwh> so will the email client be on devices by default?

 20:28 <popey> That would be a great thing to aim for.

 20:28 <mhall119> snwh: that's not the plan atm

 20:29 <michelr> I agree that general email should be revamped (aka G Wave), but current email clients should provide at least std behavior

 20:29 <popey> But it's too early for that now.

 20:29 <popey> I'd be happy getting _one_ view done, let alone many (standard, conversation, sms... wave...) :D

 20:29 <delsa> ;)

 20:29 <michelr> +1

 20:30 * snwh can work on an icon

 20:30 * popey hugs snwh

 20:30 <popey> Yeah, more icons, less recipes, they make me hungry! :D

 20:30 * delsa waiting smwh icon

 20:30 <snwh> an envelope is too easy for the suru/origami style

 20:31 <popey> s/less/fewer/

 20:31 <snwh> popey, food is all I blog

 20:31 <snwh> :)

 20:31 <delsa> +1

 20:31 <popey> so michelr can I expect some UCDK-based calendar mockups soon?

 20:32 <michelr> Yes, i'll rework my proposal with wht you said during vUDS : consistency between selectors

 20:32 <michelr> I mean showing events for day/week/month/year

 20:33 <michelr> And with mockups at real scale, I thniks that the tablet version will have to change

 20:34 <michelr> : the calendar list may move to another place

 20:34 <popey> Great.

 20:36 <popey> Ok, anything else we need to discuss?

 20:36 <delsa> nothing

 20:37 <snwh> great weather we're having

 20:37 <popey> :D

 20:37 <michelr> Just a question : the time frame for bottomedge implementation is ~4/6 month ?

 20:37 <michelr> and for new header ~2 months ?

 20:37 <popey> Good question!

 20:37 <popey> I have no idea.

 20:37 <popey> However.

 20:38 <popey> What I do know is we plan to have phones this year, to do that we need to get something to manufacturers in plenty of time.

 20:38 <popey> I would imagine that means the new header and bottom edge stuff will land _really_ soon after 14.04

 20:38 <popey> 14.04 releases in April

 20:38 <popey> so I'd expect these new things to start landing mid april/may,

 20:38 <popey> some of it is already in the works

 20:39 <delsa> cool

 20:39 <michelr> ok

 20:40 <popey> Ok, any other questions?

 20:40 <delsa> no :)

 20:40 <michelr> not for me

 20:40 <popey> Thanks so much guys!

 20:40 <popey> #endmeeting



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