20:03 <popey> #startmeeting Community design team meeting
20:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 18 20:03:32 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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20:03 <delsa> :)
20:03 <delsa> hi snwh
20:03 <popey> So first I wanted to say thanks for picking up that email UI  work so quickly!
20:04 <popey> mhall119: you about?
20:04 <delsa> thanks popey :)
20:04 <popey> mhall119: do we have a document with the list of design work required for trojita?
20:04 <delsa> I'll do my best... hope it's a good work
20:04 <popey> looks good so far
20:05 <delsa> thanks
20:05 <popey> hi michelr
20:05 <michelr> Hi popey !
20:05 <delsa> hi michelr
20:05 <michelr> hi delsa
20:06 <michelr> have you already started ?
20:06 <popey> only just
20:07 <popey> delsa: I'll take an action to get some documentation for what we need from email
20:07 <delsa> ok, cool popey
20:07 <mhall119> popey: let me see
20:09 <michelr> popey: have you read my feedback and thoughts about email client ?
20:10 <popey> Yes ☻
20:10 <snwh> does it need an icon? ;)
20:10 <popey> heh yes
20:10 <popey> Interesting point about office. We did want to make a document viewer (not editor) for the phone but we couldn't get a critical mass of developers.
20:11 * delsa love the icon of snwh
20:11 <mhall119> can everyone see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdE1rRmpyd0lWNE1zYXUwc01SNW4yVHc#gid=0
20:11 <popey> as an aside, mhall119: on the subject of docviewer maybe we should approach caligra in the same way we have with trojita.
20:12 <popey> michelr: we're currently building upon Trojita (as you guessed)
20:12 <mhall119> popey: we'd need to evaluate it first, Trojita was a good candidate as much because of how it was built as because of upstream's happiness to work with us
20:12 * snwh had never even heard of Trojita
20:13 <mhall119> snwh: it's a light-weight IMAP client built on Qt
20:13 <mhall119> http://trojita.flaska.net/
20:13 <snwh> i see
20:13 <mhall119> they had a clean separation between front-end code and back-end code, which is going to let us drop in an Ubuntu UI without re-writing a bunch of internals
20:14 <delsa> ok
20:15 <michelr> mhall119: yes, can read it : nice & serious list of specs
20:16 <popey> However, that all said, the email client should be a lower priority than the other core apps right now. ☻
20:16 <delsa> :)
20:17 <popey> Have you guys looked at the new UCDK from Lucas?
20:17 <popey> http://lucasromerodb.blogspot.com.ar/p/ucdk.html
20:17 <delsa> popey: yes
20:18 <michelr> Yes ! and it obliged me to dig into Inkscape tutos ;-)
20:18 <michelr> But now I can draw lines with arrows with inkscape...!
20:19 <popey> hah!
20:19 <delsa> I'm working on detailed mockup
20:19 <popey> Most of it can be achieved with copy and paste ☻
20:20 <delsa> with conversation and mail/folder and account managing
20:20 <delsa> :)
20:21 <popey> Great. I'm sure mhall119 will be glad to see that
20:21 <popey> mhall119: do you have a preference for where to put the designs?
20:21 <delsa> hope to have something ready for tonight @24.00 (italy)
20:22 <michelr> For email, what is the focus : std view or conversation ?
20:22 <popey> mhall119: I would suggest https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient/Design but it's not technically a core app.
20:22 <popey> michelr: the conversation view seems to be popular at the moment
20:22 <delsa> if I share on g+? can i?
20:23 <popey> delsa: thats fine
20:23 <delsa> ;)
20:23 <popey> I just don't want us to "lose" them in G+
20:23 <popey> can you link them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient ?
20:23 <delsa> I think conversation it's more readable for all the user
20:23 <popey> +1
20:23 <delsa> popey: yes! of course
20:23 <mhall119> popey: that wiki page it fine
20:24 <popey> However I don't think we should shy away from new ways to look at mail
20:24 <mhall119> it's not technically a core app, but the page was already there so might as well use it
20:24 <mhall119> links from the wiki to a G+ post with the images would be okay too
20:24 <popey> yeah
20:24 <popey> I just don't want to lose them ☻
20:24 <mhall119> +1
20:24 <delsa> +1
20:25 <delsa> I want to use the "SMS" conversation style...
20:25 <delsa> with avatar on left for received mail and right for sended
20:25 <popey> Interesting, I look forward to seeing that.
20:26 <delsa> I think is more easy to use for the user
20:26 <delsa> :)
20:26 <popey> So, while email is fun and new (for us), what's also important is our other core apps of course.
20:27 <delsa> yes
20:27 <delsa> after mail I restart music
20:27 <michelr> but don't forget that some people are not using SMS style emails
20:27 <delsa> but everyone use whatsapp
20:27 <delsa> or some IM
20:27 <popey> I think the SMS style works well for people who have 1:1 email conversations
20:27 <delsa> so use everydays that style
20:28 <popey> less well for mailing lists or group-emails
20:28 <delsa> +1 right
20:28 <popey> So yeah, I look forward to seeing it.
20:28 <delsa> ok :)
20:28 <snwh> so will the email client be on devices by default?
20:28 <popey> That would be a great thing to aim for.
20:28 <mhall119> snwh: that's not the plan atm
20:29 <michelr> I agree that general email should be revamped (aka G Wave), but current email clients should provide at least std behavior
20:29 <popey> But it's too early for that now.
20:29 <popey> I'd be happy getting _one_ view done, let alone many (standard, conversation, sms... wave...) :D
20:29 <delsa> ;)
20:29 <michelr> +1
20:30 * snwh can work on an icon
20:30 * popey hugs snwh
20:30 <popey> Yeah, more icons, less recipes, they make me hungry! :D
20:30 * delsa waiting smwh icon
20:30 <snwh> an envelope is too easy for the suru/origami style
20:31 <popey> s/less/fewer/
20:31 <snwh> popey, food is all I blog
20:31 <snwh> :)
20:31 <delsa> +1
20:31 <popey> so michelr can I expect some UCDK-based calendar mockups soon?
20:32 <michelr> Yes, i'll rework my proposal with wht you said during vUDS : consistency between selectors
20:32 <michelr> I mean showing events for day/week/month/year
20:33 <michelr> And with mockups at real scale, I thniks that the tablet version will have to change
20:34 <michelr> : the calendar list may move to another place
20:34 <popey> Great.
20:36 <popey> Ok, anything else we need to discuss?
20:36 <delsa> nothing
20:37 <snwh> great weather we're having
20:37 <popey> :D
20:37 <michelr> Just a question : the time frame for bottomedge implementation is ~4/6 month ?
20:37 <michelr> and for new header ~2 months ?
20:37 <popey> Good question!
20:37 <popey> I have no idea.
20:37 <popey> However.
20:38 <popey> What I do know is we plan to have phones this year, to do that we need to get something to manufacturers in plenty of time.
20:38 <popey> I would imagine that means the new header and bottom edge stuff will land _really_ soon after 14.04
20:38 <popey> 14.04 releases in April
20:38 <popey> so I'd expect these new things to start landing mid april/may,
20:38 <popey> some of it is already in the works
20:39 <delsa> cool
20:39 <michelr> ok
20:40 <popey> Ok, any other questions?
20:40 <delsa> no :)
20:40 <michelr> not for me
20:40 <popey> Thanks so much guys!
20:40 <popey> #endmeeting