== Meeting information == * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Community design team meeting, 18 Feb at 20:00 — 20:50 UTC * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2014/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2014-02-18-20.00.log.html]] == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GVDuiTD7F5K3vL_IYets_8SsqTS3PebCNArqvEuvaME/edit?usp=drive_web == Vote results == == Done items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * popey (102) * lucasromerodb (53) * snwh (41) * delsa (35) * michelr (22) * meetingology (3) == Full Log == 20:00 #startmeeting Community design team meeting 20:00 Meeting started Tue Feb 18 20:00:44 2014 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:00 20:00 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 20:01 Hi lucasromerodb delsa michelr snwh 20:01 Hi 20:01 :D 20:01 popey, hello 20:01 ji 20:01 hi 20:02 Ok, so first of all I wanted to thank you guys for all agreeing to be part of this project! 20:02 I think we all like to collaborate! 20:02 Great! 20:03 It's an exciting time for us, with lots to do in the coming months. 20:03 hi popey snwh lucasromerodb 20:03 hi.... andrea? 20:03 yes :) 20:04 :D 20:04 For those of you that don't know, I work on the Core Apps project with dpm, mhall119 & balloons. All four of us work for Canonical in the Community Team. 20:05 great 20:05 ok :) 20:05 Right now the team are super busy and super excited as we lead up to some significant announcements about Ubuntu on Phones & Tablets 20:06 Canonical will have a booth at MWC next week, where we will be showing off Ubuntu on Phones & Tablets to the industry. It's an important time for us. 20:06 What we're doing is pretty unique. 20:07 yes 20:07 Collaboration between members of the community and Canonical to bring free software to phones and tablets. 20:08 So, I hope you've all seen the wiki pages I setup last week with the design user stories? 20:08 yes 20:08 yes 20:08 yes 20:08 I expect we will add more stories as time goes on. 20:08 Yea 20:08 ok 20:08 This is just the start, an initial pass through. 20:08 I welcome feedback! Nothing is set in stone. 20:09 ok 20:09 We're breaking new ground here, so we need to make sure we keep in contact, communicating effectively. 20:09 feedback about modifying or adding use cases ? 20:09 Both. 20:09 we keep in contact for sure ;) 20:09 We have be careful though. We can't just add a thousand use cases ☻ 20:10 jeje ok 20:10 or be too specific 20:10 Indeed! 20:11 we could create fake people 20:12 We have some of those. 20:12 Personas. 20:12 yes 20:12 I can get the details of them from the Canonical Design team. 20:12 that would be lovely 20:12 I am in the office tomorrow, I'll get them and pass them on. 20:13 :) 20:13 good 20:14 So, we have the wiki for listing what we need to get done, trello for tracking who is donig what, google docs for sharing and reviewing, and IRC for catching up... 20:14 .. and g+ for promotion ☻ 20:14 yes :) 20:14 g+ is best for promotion 20:14 Yes, we get a lot of feedback from that. 20:15 the mockup I post have so lot of feedback.. that help to make the design better 20:15 Great. 20:15 So my first question to you guys, is what can I do for you? 20:15 Is there anything you need from me? 20:16 I wish I had some things clear. 20:17 We have 10 projects to design. There is a time limit. In principle we are 4 people. Should we divide the work to optimize the time? 20:17 Maybe clarify what you expect from us : what, when, what are the limits ? the constraints ? 20:17 I think we can collaborate in each project, set the time for each project.. 20:17 Ok. Great question! 20:17 Eg. Delsa can be in charge of design weather app. I also redundant are designing there, however I can contribute with comments. 20:18 So. The priorities are:- 20:18 right. it would be counterproductive if everyone works on the same thing. 20:18 yes snwh 20:19 I propose to divide the work. 20:19 Reminders, Music, Weather, Calendar, RSS Reader, File Manager, Clock, Calculator. 20:19 Reminders has a designer from Canonical on it. 20:19 The others have no designer assigned. 20:20 The way I see it working is one person works on one app at a time. 20:20 it's ok for me 20:20 However there's going to need to be strong communication between us. 20:20 So the apps are consistent. 20:20 Personally. I received an email inviting me to D.Planella Reminders design. I have also contributed to the heavily clock application. 20:20 Great! 20:20 i'll take the File Manager I have had some thoughts on it. 20:21 I'll take weather and music 20:21 File manager is near the bottom of the pile really. 20:21 yes, we have to be careful about consistency between apps 20:21 heh 20:21 The list I quoted above is roughly in order of priority. 20:21 With most important first. 20:22 wasn't someone working on Music 20:22 can i take the calc? 20:22 i recall seeing mockups somewhere 20:22 Now, having said that, clearly all the applications are special flowers, and need to be taken care of. 20:22 music I made the mockup 20:22 I think we must made mockup, and discuss every mockup togheter 20:22 What we are currently missing from all of them is strong, consistent, convergent designs. 20:22 I'm lost :-) which has no designer ? 20:23 ☻ 20:23 to make all app consistent 20:23 (we should make use of #ubuntu-design for communication) 20:23 True. 20:23 i think i seen tumbleweeds over there 20:23 Yes, it's been mostly idle. 20:24 So... in the short term:- 20:24 We need:- 20:24 * Strong, consistent, convergent designs for each of the apps listed as priorities above. 20:24 ok 20:24 * Good communication, constant review and feedback. 20:25 naturally 20:25 * Review with Canonical design team. 20:25 yes popey 20:25 ok 20:25 I am happy to leave you guys to decide amongst yourselves which application you work on, but you know the priorities from me ☻ 20:25 * Review with Canonical design team will be don with Trello ? 20:26 Are these designs are to present at the MWC? 20:26 MWC is in 5 days ;) 20:26 oh shit 20:26 Yeah, we can't really get anything done for MWC, we're wrapping up for that. 20:26 Yes! Oh shit! 20:26 I thought it was in March. 20:26 lol 20:26 I will setup regular review with canonical design 20:27 I will regularly be in the office in london where they are based 20:27 and will go through the designs. 20:27 We could also have a regular Google hangout, if we can get a time that fits everyone. 20:27 Hay Algo Que no entiendo. 20:27 oh sorry 20:27 There's something I do not understand. 20:27 This worked well last cycle. 20:28 lucasromerodb: Yes? 20:29 When we send a design, what must it contain ? 20:29 graphics ? text ? long explanations ? 20:30 David Planella has said that work on the cnvergencia. That we focus on the tablet. Do not waste current designs. However I am convinced that there are some designs that require a complete redesign. Designs long term. What do we do? 20:30 and... when? 20:30 presumably the target is the end of the 14.04 cycle 20:31 What level of detail does Canonical Design Team expect ? 20:31 michelr: That really depends. 20:32 So can we consider than more information is better than less ? 20:32 ?? 20:32 Ideally yes. 20:32 ok 20:33 within reason, of course 20:33 lucasromerodb: I agree with David. For now, we're focused on convergence of existing design. 20:33 Indeed, enough information to get the message across. 20:33 we can still iterate on existing designs 20:33 I trust that we can prepare good designs before 14.04 but I think long term things could be better. 20:33 lucasromerodb: I agree with you that some of our apps need a full redesign. 20:33 there's probably not enough time to realistically overhaul a bunch of apps 20:33 +1 20:34 that can be done in 14.10 20:34 +1 20:34 What's also worth noting is that we are going to get new patterns very soon 20:34 that too 20:34 The Canonical Design Team have been working hard on the header and the bottom toolbar. 20:34 Oh the new 'back' button !? 20:34 heh 20:34 my assumption has been that what we're doing is refinement of the existing designs for the upcoming release 20:34 I'm too curious 20:34 :-) 20:34 great! 20:34 There has been a lot of user testing, and feedback from users has been used to create new patterns. 20:35 It's in review at the moment. 20:35 awesome possum 20:35 But! The important thing I want to get across... 20:35 I don't want you guys to "waste time" completely redesigning apps when this new stuff from Canonical is coming soon. 20:35 I understand 20:35 Because you may end up having to re-do it again 20:36 sure.. 20:36 And I don't want to get you guys upset that your lovingly created designs are wasted. 20:36 this new stuff? for 14.04? 20:36 I don't know when it will hit. 20:36 hmm 20:36 If it seems good. I just wanted to be sure we have to do. Just to save time. 20:36 But I know the blog posts are being prepared, and the SDK team are working on it. 20:36 so.. now we must refine apps? 20:37 So for now, we refine the existing apps, ensure the tablet experience is brilliant. 20:37 I realise this may be frustrating! 20:37 I'm sure you all want to see the new patterns ☻ 20:37 yes :D 20:37 * snwh has patience ;) 20:37 When you see it, I can't wait to see your new designs based on it, I *know* you'll do great things with it. 20:38 +1 20:38 we do the best we can 20:38 Ok. 20:38 Great! 20:38 So. Can you guys sort out amongst yourselves which apps you will work on? 20:38 the goal is straightforward (as I see): resist the urge to overhaul existing designs, and simply embetter them for tablets. 20:39 +1000 20:39 Well we all started to work on 'weather' ! 20:39 :-) 20:39 +1001 20:39 Yes! 20:39 * snwh has been doing icons for ages 20:39 i've been letting everyone else do mockups 20:39 Any other questions? 20:40 not by me 20:40 If you get questions later, feel free to ping me, or email me. That's all good. 20:40 For the tablet experience ? 20:40 How would you define it in few words ? 20:40 what should be our goal ? 20:41 convergence 20:41 ;) 20:41 usability 20:41 yeah 20:41 Beautiful. Convergent. Robust. Consistent. 20:41 yeah, but more screen space means more information ? 20:41 not necessarily 20:41 Well, different layouts for example. 20:41 less is better... in much of design 20:41 For that we are designers. 20:42 Different ways to access the same data. 20:42 or better display of content 20:42 Apps from other platforms to analyze. 20:42 Clock is a good example : only one clock in a tablet screen ? 20:43 nop 20:43 ☻ 20:43 I leave that to you. 20:43 thanks popey 20:43 If you look at the models of the fourth proposal you will notice it. 20:43 which is where? 20:44 google drive 20:44 clock app 20:44 I see nothing in the clock folder. 20:44 me either 20:44 shit. It is no longer 20:44 then i upgrade 20:45 wel... my english is bad 20:45 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GVDuiTD7F5K3vL_IYets_8SsqTS3PebCNArqvEuvaME/edit?usp=drive_web 20:45 yes 20:45 If you look. In the tablet are 5 watches. 20:46 i have to disappear for ~20 minutes 20:47 if this continues in another place do ping me 20:47 We will wrap up soon. 20:47 see u later snwh 20:47 Thanks snwh 20:47 * snwh is always on IRC 20:47 bye 20:47 bye 20:47 Ok. Any final questions before we wrap up? Anything not clear? 20:47 not for me 20:48 ok for me 20:48 delsa: all good? 20:48 all good popey ;) 20:49 Awesome. 20:49 Ok. Lets wrap up there. 20:49 Thanks again guys! Keep in touch! 20:49 right. what irc channel do we want to use for further discussion? 20:49 #ubuntu-design 20:49 ok 20:49 cool 20:49 I'm on #ubuntu-design 20:49 ok 20:49 Buenas noches 20:50 Buenas noches! 20:50 buona notte popey 20:50 aqui aún es de día 20:50 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology)