== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Clock app, 09 Jan at 17:01 — 17:45 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2014/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2014-01-09-17.01.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/dialer-transition/+merge/200740 
''LINK:'' http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721815/ 
''LINK:'' http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-09-173601.png 
''LINK:'' http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-09-173601.png that just looks _wrong_ to me
''LINK:'' http://imgur.com/Oac26Nm 
''LINK:'' http://imgur.com/6fMM5ul 



== Vote results ==




== Action items ==

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== People present (lines said) ==

 * popey (107)
 * nik90 (67)
 * balloons (7)
 * mhall119 (4)
 * meetingology (3)
 * dpm_ (1)



== Full Log ==


 17:01 <popey> #startmeeting Clock app

 17:01 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan  9 17:01:10 2014 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 17:01 <popey> Clock App links:-

 17:01 <popey> Bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bugs

 17:01 <popey> Reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+activereviews

 17:01 <popey> Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/coreapps-1404-clock-dev

 17:01 <popey> General Links:-

 17:01 <popey> Milestones: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/+milestones

 17:01 <popey> Burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-14.04/

 17:01 <popey> Blockers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Blockers

 17:02 <popey> Hows it going?

 17:02 <nik90> a little bit hectic but good otherwise :)

 17:03 <popey> i poked charles earlier for a status update, no reply yet

 17:03 <nik90> ah okay. I updated the email thread after talking to tvoss

 17:03 <nik90> He said its on his list of todo.

 17:04 <popey> ok

 17:04 <nik90> I am currently working on transitioning the clock app to use the SDK Dialer widget. It is actually ready. Just waiting on someone to do a code review and approve it.

 17:05 <nik90> Zsombi had a look at it and said it was fine from the dialer usage point of view

 17:05 <nik90> https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/dialer-transition/+merge/200740

 17:06 <popey> right, who can we hunt down to review that

 17:07 <nik90> that's what I am puzzled about :)

 17:07 * popey pokes someone

 17:07 <nik90> it pretty much dives into the clock app code. so someone unfamiliar with the clock-app code might find it slightly difficult

 17:08 <popey> does it pass autopilot tests on device?

 17:09 <nik90> it passed autopilot tests on my laptop. I am yet to test it on the phone

 17:09 <popey> I'll test it

 17:09 <nik90> I am not sure how to do testing on the phone using autopilot

 17:09 * nik90 should ask balloons about this soon..

 17:09 <popey> oh, i know this!

 17:10 <nik90> then you could fill me in that

 17:10 <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721815/

 17:10 <balloons> :-) I'm trying to put together something nice for everyone

 17:10 <popey> save that as a shell script "test.sh"

 17:10 <popey> ./test.sh lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/dialer-transition

 17:10 * popey runs it now

 17:11 <nik90> wow that's it? that's easy enough. Thanks!

 17:11 <popey> I know, it's *magic*

 17:11 <balloons> nik90, what I'd like to do is make it easy for you to use the emulator and/or device

 17:11 * nik90 is always amazed with popey's *magic* scripts

 17:11 <popey> not mine

 17:11 <nik90> balloons: okay

 17:12 <popey> uh. ./test.sh lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/dialer-transition ubuntu_clock_app

 17:12 <popey> missed that bit

 17:12 <nik90> balloons: I believe xnox was working on trying tests on the emulator..I myself haven't even installed the emulator yet to give it a shot.

 17:12 <balloons> btw, I have a slighlty tweaked version of that script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721827/

 17:12 <popey> the emulator is a bit slow

 17:13 <balloons> you only have to pass the lp branch, but anyways..

 17:13 <balloons> I'd prefer if the phablet-test-setup tool did this

 17:13 <nik90> balloons, popey: it would be super cool to have this in the qtcreator plugins

 17:13 <balloons> so you could use the tool to pull an lp branch and run on the device or emulator

 17:13 <nik90> like a menu item to run tests on phone

 17:13 <popey> yeah, i agree, file a bug on phablet-tools or something?

 17:14 <nik90> popey: will do

 17:14 <balloons> popey, yea, I suppose even if I attempt it, we should file one

 17:14 <popey> yea

 17:15 <popey> nik90: how are we for keyboard & mouse navigation on desktop?

 17:16 <nik90> popey: I haven't given it any thought at all. But of the top of my head, I can think of some cases

 17:16 <nik90> like pressing Ctrl+N to add an alarm, timer or world clock in their respective tabs

 17:16 <popey> We had a call with design yesterday.

 17:16 <nik90> I saw the video

 17:16 <popey> it was somewhat hurried because they're all off to .za for 2 weeks

 17:17 <popey> and the whole desktop stuff isn't finished yet

 17:17 <popey> (from a design perspective)

 17:17 <popey> so John indicated that the focus should probably be in the area of the simple things we can do without design

 17:17 <nik90> That's the thing. I made a call out for community design to help me with such design and UX ideas. But unfortunately no replies :/

 17:17 <popey> like keyboard shortcuts, window resize behaviour, pointer

 17:18 <popey> we're going to have those design brainstorms every 2 weeks

 17:18 <popey> you're welcome to join of course, or send in ideas for us to discuss.

 17:18 <popey> we hope to pull in community design people to help

 17:18 <popey> but difficult this week as it was somewhat rushed

 17:18 <nik90> okay

 17:18 <popey> i know design are not doing the design clinic over the next couple of weeks, so we *could* have two more brainstorms the next two wednesdays in a row

 17:19 <popey> because we didnt cover every app

 17:19 <popey> clock, music and others we ran out of time for

 17:19 <popey> mhall119: dpm_ sound like a plan ^^ ?

 17:19 <nik90> I will try to send in a list of ideas to you or mhall119 before the next session.

 17:19 <popey> (more design brainstorms over next two weeks)

 17:19 <popey> ok

 17:19 <popey> Ran 12 tests in 257.827s

 17:19 <popey> OK

 17:19 <popey> your clock passed autopilot tests on device

 17:19 <nik90> Ideally it would be nice to have the interested core app devs there in the session to help with brainstorming.

 17:19 <nik90> nice

 17:20 <popey> yes, agreed

 17:20 <nik90> I noticed one small issue in my MP, I will fix that and add a comment that it is ready for review

 17:20 <nik90> then someone can start reviewing it and merging if approved

 17:20 <popey> asked zanetti nicely to review for you.

 17:20 <popey> i owe him so much beer

 17:21 <nik90> btw, please do create those g+ events for the design sessions. Otherwise hard to keep track of when.

 17:21 <nik90> will all these holiday breaks

 17:21 <popey> good call!

 17:21 * popey adds to-do item

 17:21 <dpm_> popey, sounds good

 17:22 <popey> ok, will schedule

 17:23 <popey> nik90: other than alarms, any other blockers?

 17:23 <nik90> popey: Qt 5.2 arrival for world clock

 17:24 <popey> ah yes. qt 5.2, fun topic of the day

 17:24 <nik90> popey: and some u1db bug fixes (although not high priority at the moment)

 17:24 <popey> i have those tracked

 17:24 <popey> ahayzen mentioned them earlier

 17:24 <nik90> popey: I think I also updated the BP with the inprogress work items

 17:24 <nik90> ah yeah

 17:24 <nik90> He and I worked on it together over the weekend

 17:24 <popey> how'd it go?

 17:25 <popey> i briefly saw conversations on irc

 17:25 <nik90> well for starters the discussion with christian and stuart helped a lot

 17:25 <nik90> it went a bit slow, but we are at a point where we know how to use it and the current status of u1db.

 17:26 <nik90> technically I could start using it for the clock app when I find time to do the transition

 17:26 <popey> ok.

 17:27 <mhall119> +1 for more brainstorming sessions involving clock

 17:27 <popey> can you add a work item to the BP, even if it's not being worked on, and low priority for now?

 17:27 <mhall119> and also for having more core apps devs

 17:27 <popey> \o/

 17:27 <nik90> sure definitely

 17:27 <popey> thanks

 17:27 <mhall119> nik90: the first one was hastily put together, so we didn't have time to coordinage

 17:28 <nik90> mhall119: yeah I realised..no worries. I realise the design team have quite a dynamic schedule

 17:28 <nik90> oh btw, michael spencer informed that he fixed the issue with the landscape implementation for clock app, but is unable to commit it due to his development VM.

 17:28 <nik90> so I can hope for next week for that to land

 17:29 <mhall119> I think rotation is currently broken on both my devices anyway

 17:29 <popey> nik90: balloons http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/maguro/114:20140106:20131223.2/5905/ubuntu-clock-app-autopilot/642628/

 17:29 <nik90> mhall119: at the moment, the clock app rotation is locked. so even if you rotate it nothing happens

 17:29 <popey> any idea what's causing that test fail?

 17:30 <nik90> popey: hmm it failed because it couldn't switch to the timer tab

 17:30 <nik90> I am using the standard SDK emulator for switching tabs.

 17:31 <nik90> popey: oh btw I like to hear your thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1267502

 17:32 <nik90> do you think the reasoning is valid to start implementation?

 17:32 * popey looks

 17:34 <popey> eh, never noticed that

 17:34 <popey> what view gives 12:00 at 6 position?

 17:34 <nik90> I didnt either, but zsombi pointed it out

 17:35 <nik90> at the moment the clock app does

 17:35 <popey> i am in 24 hour mode on mine and it doesn't look like that

 17:35 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-09-173520.png

 17:35 <popey> thats what mine looks like

 17:36 <popey> oh, alarm

 17:36 <nik90> oops then I think it is a regression in my dialer MP

 17:36 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-09-173601.png

 17:36 <popey> heh

 17:36 <popey> ☻

 17:36 <popey> phew!

 17:36 <nik90> what about the alarms one?

 17:36 <popey> it's as you describe

 17:36 <popey> 12 at the bottom

 17:36 <nik90> do I change that to the clock app behaviour?

 17:36 <popey> which I've always thought was odd

 17:36 <popey> ☻

 17:36 <popey> ← not a designer

 17:37 <nik90> lol

 17:37 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-01-09-173601.png that just looks _wrong_ to me

 17:37 <popey> could change that bug you already have to say "alarm" and we're done ㋛

 17:38 <popey> not sure how you set an alarm for 17:00 if you can only rotate from 00 to 11 though?

 17:38 <popey> thats quite a behaviour change and I wouldn't rush into it, needs discussion on that bug with design

 17:38 <popey> IMO

 17:38 <nik90> maybe the add alarm could use the current 24 hours format

 17:38 <nik90> while the alarms tab could mimick the clock tab behaviour

 17:38 <nik90> but yeah this needs design as I told zsombi

 17:39 <nik90> damn android clock app...it uses a time picker (digital) to set alarm time

 17:40 <popey> hah

 17:40 <popey> so does ios

 17:40 <popey> (which is hateful)

 17:40 <nik90> lol

 17:41 <popey> their new barrell is awful

 17:41 <nik90> I will ask this on the g+ post and hope we can start a discussion there about ways to do this.

 17:41 <popey> http://imgur.com/Oac26Nm

 17:41 <popey> yeah, post screenshots of lots of alarm settings page too.

 17:42 <nik90> the add alarms page?

 17:42 <popey> yeah

 17:42 <nik90> okay

 17:42 <nik90> I can imagine how it can get tedius to set the alarm in that barrell

 17:43 <popey> oh you think that's bad...

 17:43 <popey> http://imgur.com/6fMM5ul

 17:43 <popey> gnome

 17:43 <popey> you can actually type 111111111 into the hours field

 17:43 <popey> bonkers

 17:44 <nik90> wow

 17:44 <popey> and a plus / minus button you can stab repeatedly with your mouse too

 17:44 <popey> horrid

 17:44 <popey> i love the one you made, the whole wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee feeling I get when I spin it round is excellent

 17:44 <nik90> :)

 17:44 <popey> Yes, I am 5 inside.

 17:45 <popey> I'd be interested to see the feedback you get, ping me when you share it

 17:45 <popey> ok, gosh, look at the time. Anything else?

 17:45 <nik90> definitely

 17:45 <nik90> nope

 17:45 <popey> brillant, thanks nik90

 17:45 <popey> #endmeeting



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