19:56 <popey> #startmeeting ubuntu touch file manager app meeting 19:56 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 1 19:56:48 2013 UTC. The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:56 <meetingology> 19:56 <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 19:56 <popey> hi ajalkane / CarlosMazieri_ 19:57 <CarlosMazieri_> hi popey 19:57 <ajalkane> howdy popey 19:57 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-filemanager-development 19:57 * balloons apologies for the giant merge 19:57 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 19:57 <balloons> especially to poor michael who is not here 19:57 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+activereviews 19:57 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/ 19:59 <popey> how you doing guys? 19:59 <popey> I was at OSCOn last week, and surprised a few people when demonstrating the phone - "look, it even has a file manager" :D 20:00 <ajalkane> that's nice to hear :) 20:00 <CarlosMazieri_> nice 20:00 <ajalkane> I've tried to follow development, but as warned haven't had much time except for throwing some e-mails back and forth 20:01 <popey> thats fine, we knew your time was limited ajalkane 20:03 <CarlosMazieri_> popey: i'd like to know it there is problem about executing another process for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1202472 ? 20:03 <CarlosMazieri_> it has been some discussion about platform will not allow it. 20:03 <popey> will not allow one app to spawn another? 20:04 <CarlosMazieri_> yes, that is my question 20:04 <ajalkane> Yes, there's been discussion in mailing list that the apps are being run in some sort of jail and invoking other apps is pretty restricted 20:05 <popey> so this week a lot of the developers are at a sprint on the Isle of Man.. and there has been some discussion about this 20:05 <popey> i believe as part of the url handler, this should be sorted 20:05 <popey> which I think should be done by the end of the month 20:05 <popey> mhall119: is that how you understand the url handler to help here? 20:06 <ajalkane> Ok, but the consensus seems to be that QtProcess can't be used as such but some dedicated API will have to be used? 20:07 <popey> yeah, re-reading the irc communication, it looks like there will be an api for launching urls 20:07 <popey> perhaps app://terminal as well as url:// ... 20:08 <popey> in a similar way to xdg-open 20:08 <CarlosMazieri_> OK, that means, we have to wait, right? 20:08 <popey> until the end of this month, yes 20:09 <CarlosMazieri_> OK, thanks. 20:09 <popey> saviq is the developer working on it 20:10 <CarlosMazieri_> on Nemo emulator and N9 device QProcess is allowed, I have made a small test app. 20:11 <mhall119> popey: yes, Qt.openUrlExternally should work by the end of August 20:11 <popey> so starting very soon, all apps will be "sandboxed" 20:11 <popey> thanks mhall119 20:11 <popey> this will have an impact on the file manager 20:11 <mhall119> it already works on the desktop, I think, just not on devices 20:12 <ajalkane> yes on desktop openUrlExternally works. And we've used it I think 20:14 <ajalkane> What's the timeline for a non-beta release that appears on either a dedicated device or some existing device? In relation how timeconsuming tasks we'd consider... 20:14 <popey> the "1.0" release is in sync with desktop, so end of October 20:15 <popey> on devices.. after that 20:15 <ajalkane> Ok, so real soon now 20:15 <popey> yeah, time is getting short 20:16 <ajalkane> Can you estimate if there's any other possible regressions in functionality except of application launching regarding File Manager coming` 20:16 <ajalkane> ? 20:17 <popey> good question 20:17 <popey> my main concern is that the app isolation will hide the entire filesystem from the filemanager app 20:17 <popey> having not tested it yet, I dont know if that will be the case 20:17 <ajalkane> That'd be major regression :P 20:17 <popey> somewhat, yes ☻ 20:18 <ajalkane> I can only say that I hope the security guys are being known about such use case in some way. 20:21 <popey> it's a tricky one really. 20:21 <ajalkane> I know, depending how flexible the security framework is 20:21 <popey> its hard to isolate every app and then give a blanket exception for a very powerful app like a filemanager 20:22 <popey> this stuff is landing very soon though, it wont be long before we see the effects 20:22 <popey> I'll be testing the very early images on devices as soon as I can 20:23 <popey> as will mhall119 ☻ 20:23 <ajalkane> Waiting in dread what comes :) 20:23 <popey> hah 20:25 <popey> I'll let you know as soon as I know more. 20:25 <popey> any other things to discuss? 20:26 <CarlosMazieri_> Not from my side 20:27 <popey> ok. thanks for being awesome as always guys! 20:27 <ajalkane> thanks! 20:28 <popey> #endmeeting