19:02 <popey> #startmeeting ubuntu touch music app meeting
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19:02 <popey> hey danielholm ahayzen iBelieve and vthompson
19:02 <popey> hows everyone doing?
19:02 <danielholm> Hi all
19:02 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-music-development
19:02 <danielholm> pretty good. and you?
19:02 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
19:02 <popey> hot ☻
19:02 <ahayzen> gd thx u?
19:02 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/+activereviews
19:03 <vthompson> Hello all you marvelous people!
19:03 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/
19:03 <popey> ok, lets start with the burndown
19:03 <popey> we've reached the end of month-3
19:03 <popey> so a section needs to be made for month-4
19:03 <popey> new milestone, mid august
19:03 <popey> can someone bump tasks to month-4 which aren't DONE?
19:04 <danielholm> I can take on some of them
19:04 <danielholm> those that I have some grasp on.
19:04 <popey> great, people need to take ownership of them too, but initially I just meant move them around so it's accurate ☻
19:04 <vthompson> We're talking about the blueprint right?
19:04 <popey> ya!
19:05 <danielholm> alright
19:05 <popey> cool
19:05 <danielholm> I can do it
19:06 <vthompson> So in month 4 we should do full playlist and queue playing
19:06 <popey> secondly (I should have said first) loving the progress you guys are making!
19:06 <popey> especially with the UI
19:06 <popey> that would rock vthompson
19:06 <danielholm> I agree
19:06 <ahayzen> tht would be gd :)
19:06 <vthompson> danielholm, was working playlists and ahayzen was working the queue
19:07 <vthompson> they'll want to collaborate a bit since there is some overlap
19:07 <danielholm> agreed
19:07 <ahayzen> yep, will we have designs for the play queue is to be implemented?
19:07 <vthompson> I'll flush out the Album view this month
19:08 <danielholm> ahayzen: I think we just get it to work right now. so all the backend stuff works.
19:08 <vthompson> I think Daniel will turn the Playlists tab into another pagestack similar to the Artists tab
19:08 <popey> I think Lisette was busy doing RSS stuff at the start of the week. You've not had any music design work from her yet have you?
19:08 <vthompson> popey, nope
19:08 <danielholm> vthompson: I already have. And the Queue is moved into that pagestack. hasn't been merged yet, tough.
19:08 <vthompson> I suggested to Lucas that he get in touch with her
19:09 <popey> ok, hopefully next week
19:09 <popey> good idea
19:09 <popey> Lucas is on _fire_ at the moment!
19:09 <vthompson> danielholm, that's right I was just looking at that branch *slaps forehead*
19:09 <popey> did you see his Stock Ticker designs?
19:09 <danielholm> he really is!
19:09 <ahayzen> popey, they were awesome :)
19:09 <vthompson> It is good stuff, but I want him to work with the design team since I assume they also know good UI engineering
19:10 <danielholm> vthompson: haha, it's alright. But I'm having some issues getting Music to work (getting segfaul) si I have to resolve that first, before I can finish it off.
19:10 <popey> So taking a look at the dogfooding page... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding#Music
19:10 <popey> Do we think we're in shape to deliver that all by the end of July?
19:10 <danielholm> we should update that page
19:10 <danielholm> yes
19:11 <vthompson> I think the last two won't get done
19:11 <ahayzen> wht was the state of playing while app isn't focussed?
19:11 <danielholm> I think so
19:11 <danielholm> it plays on my device when I do whatever on it
19:11 <ahayzen> yh i would agree with that
19:11 <vthompson> ahayzen, no status. We can support that but we won't be implementing it
19:11 <popey> well we know background playing is somewhat out of your control
19:11 <popey> thats fine
19:11 <popey> and the last item was a bonus anyway
19:11 <popey> I'd rather we were 100% about the other features than bother with the bonus
19:12 <danielholm> agreed
19:12 <popey> that was added in case you guys got all ahead of yourselves and had some time to spare ☻
19:12 <danielholm> I've paused the last.fm stuff at the moment :P
19:12 <vthompson> I think it's paramount that we make sure we get the cores and whatnot figured out
19:12 <danielholm> wanted to get it into the image first
19:12 <popey> good call danielholm
19:13 <popey> looking at the bugs... https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bugs?orderby=status&start=0
19:13 <vthompson> If we do get design work from the team we'll want to try to integrate that as soon as possible (possibly month 4), because the more development we do on stuff that might get thrown away is a waste
19:13 <popey> looks like you have that mostly under control..
19:13 <popey> agreed vthompson
19:14 <danielholm> so it is basicly the album tab that has to be done, which vthompson will take car off?
19:14 <ahayzen> vthompson, agreed
19:14 <vthompson> danielholm, yep I will
19:14 <danielholm> thats great
19:15 <vthompson> popey, I'm going to cruise through getting the remaining autopilot tests made this week
19:15 <vthompson> (hopefully)
19:15 <popey> sweet!
19:15 <danielholm> vthompson: lovely. those are really the majority of the bugs
19:15 <popey> Speaking of this week, I think I may have mentioned this already (I say it in every meeting so forgive me)..
19:16 <vthompson> So you guys all run this on a device, is all the cover art too small?
19:16 <popey> I'm off to OSCON next week, and dpm is on vacation, so mhall119 will be around
19:16 <popey> he's based in florida so afternoon/evening times he'll be around for you europeans
19:16 <danielholm> alright
19:16 <vthompson> popey, sounds good
19:16 <ahayzen> popey, np
19:16 <popey> I'll be showing off your awesome work on the ubuntu community stand!
19:16 <danielholm> vthompson: the cover in the footer is, yes.
19:16 <ahayzen> :D
19:17 <vthompson> dpm, has been a bug triaging machine--we'll miss him :)
19:17 <popey> yeah, he's really on the case
19:17 <danielholm> popey: wow, that's really cool
19:17 <vthompson> danielholm, how about the now playing page?
19:17 <danielholm> vthompson: looks awesome there ;)
19:17 <popey> if you need someone to reproduce bugs, mhall119 now has a phone which has audio support
19:17 <popey> previously he only had a nexus 7 which has broken audio
19:17 <danielholm> popey: lovley
19:17 <popey> so he can help confirm bugs for you too
19:17 <davmor2> you can ping me too
19:18 <popey> ooh yes, davmor2 has a Galaxy Nexus, good to check with him!
19:18 <popey> he's a QA guy so is very very good at breaking things!
19:18 <ahayzen> davmor2, thanks :)
19:18 <danielholm> haha, alright
19:18 <vthompson> all, is the cover art on the now playing view also smaller than on the desktop?
19:18 <popey> and davmor2 is on UK time, so can be found during the european day
19:19 <davmor2> well 11:00am bst onwards
19:19 <danielholm> great!
19:19 <ahayzen> perfect :)
19:19 <popey> davmor2 has a problem in that he is addicted to 80's cheesy music, if you can add a patch in to the app to restrict his playing of those songs, even better ㋛
19:19 <vthompson> I'm asking because I have a feeling that the way we  retrieve the cover art only allows us to display it in a certain number of pixels--which makes it small on the devices.
19:20 <popey> vthompson: it does look small, yes
19:20 <popey> I'll get a screenshot after the meeting
19:20 <vthompson> popey, so I think we should try to fix that. Does it look bad?
19:20 <ahayzen> vthompson, can we not get it to scale to gu units?
19:20 <davmor2> popey: you say that and our last.fm compatibility is high that would mean you listen to a lot of the very same 80's cheesy music :P
19:20 <danielholm> popey: we'll take look ;)
19:21 <popey> davmor2: rumbled
19:21 <vthompson> ahayzen, I do not believe so... I'll look further though
19:21 <popey> let me get a screengrab now
19:21 <danielholm> davmor2: same here, actually..
19:22 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-19-202221.png
19:22 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-19-202212.png
19:22 <davmor2> I'll add some music to my phone over the weekend and see what damage I can do to the music app :)
19:22 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-19-202204.png
19:22 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-19-202155.png
19:22 <popey> thats what it looks like on my nexus 4
19:22 <ahayzen> popey, thanks
19:23 <danielholm> davmor2: sounds good ;(
19:23 <danielholm> ;) *
19:23 <popey> ok, any other questions / issues?
19:23 <vthompson> popey, can you get one from after clicking on the bottom left icon?
19:23 <ahayzen> vthompson, the icon doens't even have a width set?
19:23 <vthompson> that's the now playing page
19:23 <vthompson> ahayzen, IIRC it just has a source
19:24 <ahayzen> vthompson, yep
19:24 <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-19-202354.png
19:24 <popey> I didnt know that screen existed ☻
19:24 <ahayzen> popey, why don't we appear here http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/teams.html
19:24 <vthompson> Could you get one with actual cover art?
19:24 <popey> ya
19:24 <popey> how do i go back?
19:24 <popey> oh, tap
19:24 <danielholm> should we make the whole footer clickable to show the now playing page? I'm having problems hitting the cover art
19:25 <ahayzen> danielholm, probably best
19:25 <vthompson> danielholm, I'd like it if we made it draggable upward
19:25 <vthompson> gestures FTW
19:25 <ahayzen> vthompson, tht would be nice
19:25 <popey> ah crud
19:25 <danielholm> vthompson: that would be really nice. but only if it doesn't mess upp the hud or the toolbar
19:25 <popey> the music with artwork segfaults it
19:26 <mhall119> fwiw, here's it running on my N4 http://ubuntuone.com/6cBA0eW9DTM4ESOHHOWdLF
19:26 <vthompson> mhall119, can you get a screen cap with actual cover art?
19:27 <davmor2> danielholm, popey: looks like mhall119 is along with us for the 80's ride :)
19:27 <ahayzen> vthompson, the pre/play/next are tiny in mhall119 's screenshot
19:27 <danielholm> davmor2: couldn't be better ;)
19:27 <vthompson> ahayzen, I see that, it's good to know. I assume you're running trunk, mhall119 ?
19:27 <popey> vthompson: will try and find one with artwork after the meeting
19:27 <danielholm> ahayzen: they are for me as well
19:28 <ahayzen> 'width: 50' ... not using gu units :P
19:28 <danielholm> I'm sorry for not report all the bugs, but I'm just so focused on the code I'm making...
19:28 <vthompson> I think we need to get these minor UI tweaks figured out this month as well
19:29 <vthompson> ahayzen, yep, I thought I had those changed to gu(8) or so... guess not
19:29 <ahayzen> vthompson, if we move everything to units rather than pixels it'll fix most of them right?
19:29 <vthompson> ahayzen, yep
19:29 <mhall119> vthompson: I'm updating from the PPA, so pretty close to trunk
19:30 <ahayzen> vthompson, i can go through and convert them if required
19:30 <popey> danielholm: not a problem
19:30 <vthompson> ahayzen, continue your work with playlists--I think that's more important
19:30 <ahayzen> vthompson, ok :)
19:30 <vthompson> I'll tackle the UI stuff after I finish AP tests
19:30 <danielholm> vthompson: :)
19:30 <mhall119> vthompson: ahayzen: with cover art http://ubuntuone.com/6Ed9FHMig0DYFiSeQpMgRO
19:31 <vthompson> mhall119, yeesh
19:31 <ahayzen> mhall119, guess tht is a low resolution album art image?
19:31 <ahayzen> but it is being scaled correctly :)
19:31 <vthompson> ahayzen, nope that should be the larger one.
19:31 <danielholm> vthompson: I really liked your idea about having the Queue in the playlist tab. I'm almost done with it. just merge issues and segfault
19:32 <vthompson> ahayzen, that's because it actually is scaled to grid units...
19:32 <ahayzen> vthompson, i mean it is all pixelated
19:32 <ahayzen> vthompson, yeah tht is set to units.gu(40)
19:32 <mhall119> the purpose at the top seems to be the standard Header component, just without any text and being displayed over the content for some reason
19:32 <ahayzen> vthompson, sortta proves scaling works ;)
19:32 <mhall119> s/purpose/purple/
19:33 <vthompson> mhall119, yea, I think I was trying to set it to not be visible, but some pieces do not disappear all the time
19:33 <vthompson> ahayzen, very true.
19:33 <ahayzen> mhall119, yh i've seen tht from time to time
19:34 <mhall119> still, I'm unreasonably happy that I can play music on my Ubuntu device now :)
19:34 <ahayzen> mhall119, i think it is better in the latest branch though
19:34 <vthompson> There seem to be a few issues with the headers that are causing the apps to have issues
19:34 <danielholm> I have to go, guys. Take Care!
19:34 <popey> thanks danielholm !
19:34 <popey> have a great weekend
19:34 <mhall119> vthompson: are those being reported as bugs against ubuntu-ui-toolkit project?
19:34 <ahayzen> danielholm, thanks bye
19:34 <vthompson> danielholm, take care~
19:34 <popey> We are over time..
19:34 <mhall119> thanks danielholm
19:34 <popey> Shall we wrap up and move discussion over to -app-devel ?
19:34 <ahayzen> popey, sounds gd
19:35 <mhall119> vthompson: please report any bugs you find in the SDK components, and we'll annoy the SDK developers until they fix them :)
19:35 <vthompson> I know the clipping one is.  And I think the filemanager people have a bug against the start of where the listview starts (and ends?)
19:35 <ahayzen> popey, i've got loads of random questions probably best to ask there?
19:35 <popey> Thanks for all your hard work guys.
19:35 <popey> yeah
19:35 <popey> we're both still around
19:35 <popey> #endmeeting