20:12 <mhall119> #startmeeting File Manager
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20:12 <mhall119> so how is development going guys?
20:12 <ajalkane> Many good UI development from Michael Spencer - invited him here, seems he couldn't make it.
20:13 <CarlosMazieri> All right,   I intend to do few more things in the plugin
20:13 <ajalkane> Myself I haven't had time, as warned, to do much at all lately
20:14 <mhall119> do you guys think we should add michael spencer to the development team?
20:14 <ajalkane> There's also been some people doing autopilot tests which is real nice
20:14 <CarlosMazieri> YES, I agree
20:14 <ajalkane> Yes I think he should be added
20:14 <mhall119> yes, balloons's autopilot community is rocking all of the core apps
20:14 <ajalkane> There was a bug that File Manager is not translateable, which I didn't understand why not
20:15 <balloons> :-) we're here to help
20:15 <mhall119> ajalkane: dpm and popey did some work on making all of the core apps translatable in Launchpad, so itmight be resolved now, popey can you confirm or deny that?
20:17 <popey> oh hai
20:17 <mhall119> hello good sir
20:17 <popey> there's some steps left to do which i was waiting for dpm to document
20:17 <popey> when he does that, i need to flip various switches and we're done
20:18 <ajalkane> Alright, great
20:18 <mhall119> ajalkane: CarlosMazieri: can you guys check the dogfooding feature list for File Manager and add a "DONE!" after the ones that are in fact done? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding#File_Manager
20:19 <ajalkane> Well, they are all done
20:19 <mhall119> even better :)
20:20 <ajalkane> I'll add DONE there
20:21 <mhall119> is there anything blocking you guys at the moment?
20:21 <CarlosMazieri> No, all right to me.
20:21 <ajalkane> Same
20:21 <ajalkane> Well...
20:21 <ajalkane> actually
20:21 <ajalkane> there's that one bug that might need some more input
20:21 <mhall119> how about opening files, as far as I know that's not working still on devices, right?
20:21 <ajalkane> I intended to reply to the latest reply though
20:22 <ajalkane> I don't think any of us have devices to test on
20:22 <ajalkane> on Desktop it works as expected
20:22 <mhall119> popey and I do, if you ever need somebody to test on a device
20:22 <ajalkane> It's just using the standard Qt functions to open files
20:22 <CarlosMazieri> it depends from desktop configuration
20:22 <mhall119> ajalkane: Qt.openUrlExternally()  ?
20:22 <ajalkane> Please do test. It should use the mime information to open associated apps
20:23 <ajalkane> mhall119: yes, but not from QML... The same function in C++
20:23 <CarlosMazieri> it uses QDesktopServices::openUrl()
20:23 <mhall119> ok
20:23 <mhall119> which means we still need the platform and/or sdk team to implement the desktop services API on the devices
20:23 <CarlosMazieri> Qt.openUrlExternally()  just wraps  QDesktopServices::openUrl()
20:24 <ajalkane> I can't seem to get into the wiki to edit it. I can try if I remember tomorrow or someone else can mark them as DONE
20:24 <CarlosMazieri> YES.
20:24 <mhall119> I wonder why we can't use what's on the desktop....
20:25 <CarlosMazieri> The .desktop files should carry the mime types they open, and, the Ubuntu Touch should provide this information
20:25 <mhall119> yeah, I added the mimetype support to ubuntu-docviewer-app already
20:26 <mhall119> so once the desktop services API is implemented, it should open it for text and image files (and soon PDF)
20:27 <ajalkane> Should... hopefully someone remembers to test that happens.
20:27 <mhall119> ajalkane: yeah, it's on my regular list of things to bug people about :)
20:28 <ajalkane> :)
20:29 <mhall119> other than those you guys are good?
20:29 <mhall119> balloons: anything to talk about test-wise for file manager?
20:29 <ajalkane> There's the bug about toolbar
20:30 <ajalkane> I didn't quite understand what was proposed by the latest comment
20:30 <ajalkane> But I can ask clarification if you guys have no idea
20:30 <mhall119> ajalkane: because of the API changes?
20:30 <ajalkane> Not API changes, just the guidelines about toolbar requiring swiping to be shown
20:30 <balloons> just a couple quick thinks.. since the official emulator is still not yet merged , I decided to update my version in +junk to deal with the toolbar changes and fix some bugs
20:31 <ajalkane> This is the bug I mean: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1198861
20:31 <balloons> I pushed a new version out today if you'd like to incorporate it. The second is we're continuing to recruit new folks, so Daniel also is committing some tests for file manager
20:31 <balloons> you guys overall have a nice testsuie
20:31 <mhall119> ajalkane: what clarification did you need?
20:32 <ajalkane> mhall119: what does this mean specifically: "and there is also a 'back' item on the upper level"
20:32 <ajalkane> What is the upper level talked about?
20:32 <ajalkane> And this: "It might actually make sense to have that implemented inside the UI toolkit (tm)"
20:32 <mhall119> ajalkane: ah, the toolbar has some built-in support for a back button when you go from one page to another
20:32 <ajalkane> Does it mean it should be implemented in Ubuntu UI toolkit and not by us?
20:33 <ajalkane> Ah... ok I understand. I'm not sure I agree that solves the usability issue of navigating filesystem
20:34 <mhall119> ajalkane: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-toolbaritems.html#back-prop
20:34 <ajalkane> But of course, different opinions are good there.
20:34 <ajalkane> Yeah I know that, I remember I had to work around it back then many months ago for some reason or another
20:35 <ajalkane> Though the ToolBar has received many changes since then so maybe my original reasons are not valid anymore
20:35 <mhall119> ajalkane: ok
20:35 <mhall119> yeah, that API has been re-worked recently, but I think it's stable now
20:35 <ajalkane> Still think hiding one of the most important things in navigation behind swipe is wrong approach
20:36 <popey> yeah, the design team are re-thinking that actively right now
20:36 <ajalkane> Ie. even if toolbar is behind swipe, back should be accessible somehow else in that case
20:36 <CarlosMazieri> ajalkane: I agree.
20:37 <ajalkane> popey: ok we wait then what the design team proposes
20:37 <mhall119> sounds good to me, the app is entirely useful as it is anyway
20:39 <mhall119> alrighty, anything else we need to talk about?
20:39 <CarlosMazieri> No from my side
20:39 <ajalkane> That's it for me. Thanks again for the session.
20:39 <mhall119> #endmeeting