== Meeting information ==
 * #ubuntu-touch-meeting: Ubuntu Touch Calendar App meeting, 04 Jul at 14:00 — 14:34 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-touch-meeting/2013/ubuntu-touch-meeting.2013-07-04-14.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding 



== Vote results ==




== Action items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * dpm (47)
 * pkunal-parmar (36)
 * popey (32)
 * Cimi (16)
 * oSoMoN (7)
 * meetingology (3)



== Full Log ==


 14:00 <popey> #startmeeting Ubuntu Touch Calendar App meeting

 14:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul  4 14:00:51 2013 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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 14:01 <popey> blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-calendar-development

 14:01 <popey> bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bugs

 14:01 <popey> reviews: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+activereviews

 14:01 <popey> burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10/

 14:01 <popey> (I should script that)

 14:01 <popey> anyway, how are you pkunal-parmar ?

 14:01 <pkunal-parmar> yes, I am good

 14:02 <popey> Did you see jono's email earlier / last night?

 14:02 <pkunal-parmar> regarding what ? I am not sure.

 14:03 <popey> hmm. i can't tell if you were on the list of not because he used BCC

 14:03 <popey> the subject was "Call To Action! Getting Our Core Apps Dogfood Ready"

 14:03 <popey> I can forward it to you if you didn't get it

 14:04 <pkunal-parmar> ok, no i did not received such much, please forward

 14:04 * dpm forwards it now

 14:04 <popey> sorry about that. It's quite long, you don't need to read it right away ☻

 14:05 <pkunal-parmar> ok :)

 14:05 <popey> The short summary is, we'd like to get all the apps to be "dogfoodable" by the end of this month

 14:05 <pkunal-parmar> ok

 14:05 <popey> We have a wiki page which lists the absolute minimum features we'd like to see finished by then..

 14:05 <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding

 14:05 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, ok, I've forwarded you the message

 14:06 <popey> we have reviewed the work items and massaged them a bit. dpm do you want to talk about that a bit?

 14:06 <dpm> sure

 14:07 <dpm> in light of this new initiative

 14:07 <dpm> to get our apps in a dogfoodable state, we are reviewing the work items for our core apps

 14:07 <dpm> so that we ensure we're focusing on the most important features

 14:08 <dpm> on the calendar app, that essentially meant

 14:08 <dpm> after having had the designs for the new views

 14:08 <dpm> to make sure work items for each one of the views are in the blueprint

 14:09 <dpm> we've also reprioritized (removed or postponet) some other work items

 14:09 <dpm> that we thought were of a lower priority for the dogfooding goal

 14:09 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, does that make sense so far?

 14:10 <pkunal-parmar> yes, that seems fine

 14:10 <dpm> cool

 14:10 <dpm> another thing we'd like to ensure is that developers can spend their time developing the app, and we've decided to rather involve the QA community in testing and writing tests

 14:10 <pkunal-parmar> so , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Dogfooding, this is our blueprint now ?

 14:11 <pkunal-parmar> ok, that's nice :)

 14:11 <popey> no, that's just high level goals. the blueprint is still in place

 14:11 <popey> dpm: do you want to paste in the changes?

 14:11 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, that's the page we're looking at as a general overview. The blueprint is still the same

 14:11 <pkunal-parmar> ok

 14:11 <dpm> yeah, that was going to be my next step :)

 14:12 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, let me update the work items in the blueprint so that you can see the actual changes

 14:12 <pkunal-parmar> great

 14:12 <oSoMoN> dpm, popey: so involving the QA community to write tests for existing code sounds like a good idea, what about newly written code?

 14:13 <dpm> oSoMoN, I think at this point the important thing is to get an initial set of tests up and running

 14:13 <dpm> in the future,

 14:14 <dpm> once we've got those, we might want to look at test-driven development, and get those who implement the features to provide a test when they land them

 14:15 <dpm> but at this point, we think the main goal for the developers might be getting the apps in a state that they can be used for your everyday

 14:15 <dpm> i.e. putting those with the best skills to do what they're best at and like best :)

 14:16 <oSoMoN> that makes complete sense

 14:17 <dpm> cool

 14:17 <pkunal-parmar> oSoMoN,  can you review my merge request, when you have time

 14:17 <dpm> I'm still fighting with pasting the blueprint items, give me a sec :)

 14:18 <oSoMoN> pkunal-parmar: yeah, sorry I’ve been super busy with the browser and notes app (and on holidays),  but I’m not forgetting about your app

 14:18 <oSoMoN> I mean, your MR

 14:18 <pkunal-parmar> ok,  thanks :)

 14:18 <oSoMoN> pkunal-parmar: hopefully I’ll get to it sometime today or tomorrow

 14:19 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, ok, here's how the reviewed blueprint looks like now: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-commons/+spec/initial-calendar-development

 14:20 <Cimi> btw, I have refactored the way the calendar works

 14:20 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, essentially, as we said, we deprioritized some items and moved the testing actions you had assigned to be those for implementing the new views

 14:20 <dpm> hey Cimi

 14:20 <Cimi> this is the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/ubuntu-settings-components/calendar-newmodel

 14:20 <Cimi> now is infinite

 14:20 <Cimi> or you have have limits

 14:21 <dpm> Cimi, so do you think we can mark "[cimi] Switch month component to reusable SystemComponents.Calendar: TODO" as INPROGRESS ? Is this the right work item?

 14:21 <Cimi> yes

 14:21 <oSoMoN> Cimi: do you have someone to review your code?

 14:21 <dpm> Cimi, cool. And what's the status on this one: "[cimi] Package SystemComponents: TODO" ?

 14:22 <Cimi> oSoMoN, micheal zanetti was

 14:22 <Cimi> dpm, TODO

 14:22 <oSoMoN> Cimi: ok, good

 14:22 <dpm> Cimi, ack, thanks!

 14:22 <pkunal-parmar> Cimi,  so now month view can browse month infinitely ?

 14:22 <Cimi> dpm, I'll work on that when I am happy of the code

 14:22 <Cimi> dpm, no point of packaging crap stuff :)

 14:22 <Cimi> pkunal-parmar, indeed

 14:23 <dpm> makes sense :)

 14:23 <pkunal-parmar> ok

 14:23 <Cimi> pkunal-parmar, unless you use minimumDate or maximumDate to set limits

 14:23 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, do the updated blueprint items make sense to you? Are you happy to work on the items you've got assigned?

 14:23 <Cimi> there's like a listmodel

 14:23 <Cimi> that gets prepend or append elements

 14:23 <Cimi> when you interact

 14:24 <Cimi> 5 max items

 14:24 <Cimi> the current month plus some buffer

 14:24 <pkunal-parmar> ok, that make sense

 14:24 <pkunal-parmar> that was for cimi

 14:25 <pkunal-parmar> regarding blueprint, [pkunal-parmar] Implement spread/pinch to zoom in/out: TODO

 14:25 <pkunal-parmar> I have doubt for this

 14:25 <pkunal-parmar> I want be able to test it

 14:25 <pkunal-parmar> I test on dektop only

 14:25 <popey> Good point!

 14:25 <dpm> hmm, yeah, you're right

 14:26 <popey> We may need to find someone with a device to look at that.

 14:26 <dpm> let's unassign it for now until we figure this out

 14:26 <dpm> done

 14:26 <popey> pkunal-parmar: Do you have a laptop which supports multitouch?

 14:26 <popey> (on the touchpad)

 14:27 <pkunal-parmar> my laptop's touchpad support's multitouch

 14:27 <pkunal-parmar> but i am not sure if driver supports it

 14:27 <pkunal-parmar> it was working on windows

 14:27 <pkunal-parmar> but not on ubuntu

 14:27 <popey> Might be worth having a play with that. We have multi-touch libraries in Ubuntu

 14:27 <popey> which laptop is it?

 14:28 <pkunal-parmar> samsung sens rc710

 14:28 <popey> ok.

 14:29 <popey> Anything else before we wrap up?

 14:29 <dpm> yeah, one last bit

 14:29 <dpm> about switching to using the Qt Organizer API

 14:29 <pkunal-parmar> I was reading something about simulator on mailing list, does that support multitouch ?

 14:29 <dpm> hm, not sure what it was, I've not heard about it

 14:30 <pkunal-parmar> ok, regarding Organizer API,  popey told me that its already fixed in ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2

 14:30 <dpm> indeed

 14:31 <dpm> There is a work item to switch to using Qt Organizer to store events. Up until now, event info could only be stored in memory, which meant that when the app was closed, events could not be saved. Now you can install qtdeclarative5-jsondb-plugin

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> but I am not able to use it

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50002) with this library (version 0x50100)

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> Aborted (core dumped)

 14:31 <dpm> from that PPA

 14:31 <dpm> ah, bummer :(

 14:31 <dpm> let me see if Mirv can help us

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> yes, there is some conflict

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> so i had to revert it

 14:31 <pkunal-parmar> so not able to test those change

 14:32 <dpm> I've asked if he can join us here, he might be able to help us

 14:32 <pkunal-parmar> if i can get source code, then I might try compiling individual lib and try to use it

 14:32 <popey> the source is in that ppa

 14:32 <popey> add the ppa then "apt-get source <package>"

 14:32 <pkunal-parmar> its whole Qt or just Organizer ?

 14:33 <popey> Well, source for every package should be there.

 14:33 <pkunal-parmar> I mean fix is in just Organizer or some other Qt module as well

 14:33 <dpm> pkunal-parmar, I think it's just a matter of version incompatibility

 14:34 <dpm> let's see if Mirv can shed some light on this, it might save us time in investigating it

 14:34 <dpm> anyway, shall we jump into the design call?

 14:34 <popey> we could ask in #ubuntu-app-devel where mirv and the other sdk guys hang out

 14:34 <popey> thanks guys

 14:34 <popey> #endmeeting



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